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Iran + Nukes = ?

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-01 0:50

Discuss

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-01 1:33

It is impossibe to answer the equation as worded. In order to solve, more data is needed.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-01 2:06

>>2
Iran + Nukes + Strong dislike of Israel = ?

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-01 2:18

It equals an Iran that has reached that dubious but necessary benchmark that qualifies it to be able to defend itself on a world stage already populated by ambitious, hypocritical, ideologues and megalomaniacs. 

Fucking nationalism.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-01 5:33

>>4
So nationalism is the only thing keeping places like Iran united against imperialism but you you oppose it just because you want some faggy revolution in your own country or something? Cool marxist logic bro.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-01 12:16

>>5
Lol, it's how the pinko commie sympathizer thinks.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-01 13:15

>>5
>>6
You two there.  Out of the gene pool.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-01 13:46

>>3
Iran + Nukes + Strong dislike of Israel + Brainfuck Television = ?

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-01 19:14

>>7
LOL, but communism doesn't work!

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-01 19:52

>>9
It's not that communism doesn't work, or capitalism, democracy, anarchy or any of the other systems we've evolved or designed for governance; it's that people don't work.  While many anthropologists have seen fit to begin referring to us collectively as homo sapiens sapiens, the truth is that most humans continue to fail the simple test for this distinction.  Most people continue to act like animals.  They act more on what's in their stomachs and pants than what's in their heads.  Sure they talk a good game, but when it comes down to it, they have no integrity, and choose their comfort over their ideals.  It's why it's said that we're always three meals from revolution, instead of one idea.  Once most people are able to  put our ideals and integrity above everything, we will be able to act like true homo sapiens sapiens.  Then just about any system of governance will work efficiently.  And communism is the most efficient.  And it has already been proven to work well in small societies.  In fact all small societies were always communist.  Though one might argue that tribal societies were small monarchies or "meritocracies", they were all about share and share alike, and "each according to his abilities".

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-01 20:00

>>1
= problem solved.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-01 21:27


If Iran's intentions were to use nuclear energy for actual peaceful purposes, that'd be just dandy.  Unfortunately, that's not the case.  However I am OK with http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8360116.stm.  Even if the country doesn't look as far West anymore, they are still more about actual politics, than the showboating Iran likes to do.

inb4EdroganDavos incident or the whole Israel issue.  That's all Israel's fault.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-01 23:14

>>12
No, if they are using nuclear energy for destructive purposes, then they will direct it against Israel.  Therefore, >>11

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 3:46

>>10
In short: Communism works for small communities.

We already knew that. Communism doesn't work on a larger scale in the practical sense. Next!

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 3:56

>>8
Iran + Nukes + Strong dislike of Israel + Brainfuck Television + Interventionist foreign policy = ?

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 4:03

>>14
No.  Again, in short: people don't "work on a larger scale in the practical sense".  For too many lack integrity, and when concealed by the anonymity of a larger society, act wickedly.
Next is right.  None of the existing systems is going to work alone.  Perhaps multiple systems in tandem?

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 4:26

>>14
Communism doesn't work in small communities, you assume emotional-social incentives cannot be used in the same way as material incentives.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 4:27

>>16
Well I never said that the current system is perfect (it could use much improvement).

For too many lack integrity

True. The amount of people who have integrity haven't decreased, just more without it have increased.

and when concealed by the anonymity of a larger society, act wickedly.

I like to think I exhibit integrity even in a fully anonymous setting, although I probably do slip up here and there without even realizing it at times.

Next is right.  None of the existing systems is going to work alone.  Perhaps multiple systems in tandem?

I don't think a multitude of working systems would exactly work. The thing is there are an elite few who have too much and there's little to no equality for everyone else. This is being deliberately done of course but Marxism/Communism isn't the solution and neither are any of the other proposed solutions.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 4:41

>>7
Wow, what a rational argument from a marxist intellectual. I expected nothing less from a national socialist kraut faggot.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 4:44

>>10
>IF PEOPLE WOULD JUST BE PERFECT ANGELS COMMUNISM WOULD WORK
I see your mental age is still under 16.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 4:47

>>19-20
Haha, thanks for unraveling the pinko, guys. This is why I love /newpol/, you guys are like a digital Joseph McCarthy.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 12:53


>>16

In theory, a tandem system would be wonderful.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 13:18

>>1 Iran gets nukes, Israel gets a mushroom cloud.  I'm hoping that Israel has the balls to knock out Iran's nuke capability, because the West is too afraid of doing something unPC to deal with a crazy megalomanic fundementalist dictator poised to get nukes.  The West is folding its hand, it simply won't deal with real threats anymore.  We won't even take Al-Qaida seriously anymore. 

We need more ballz.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 14:17


http://www.payvand.com/news/09/dec/1006.html

I just found this article.  It looks like Iran would lose out on a lot for trying to push this whole nuclear issue.

Ahmadinejad really needs to fix himself.  Agree on something.  Send your used nuclear fuel to Russia, Turkey or India or something.  Get fixed, because the moron is hurting his country more than helping right now.

This isn't like the India/Pakistan/Israel defiance.  Iran is totally anti-western, and M.Ahmadinejad's grandiose rhetoric isn't helping his country's image.  Especially now that he's lashed out at even Russia for finally agreeing with the West, and claiming that the IAEA's spy photos of the other secret plant near Qom were 'illegal'.

He's already lost most of the support of Russia, and America is already in the process of swaying China.  His only possible allies will probably be Venezuela, and maybe Brazil, because Lula like to practice the same soft-stepping politics that Obama likes to practice. 

They need an agreement now.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 14:31

>>23
Lol, the reason why this is happening is because we're over there in the first place.

I agree with you on Israel though. Let them fight their own battle, they've got enough weapons as it is, they don't even need help from the west at this point.

Ahmadinejad is willing to talk to leaders of western nations, especially Obama, but of course the MSM keeps pounding "zOMG! EVIL JEW HATING ANTI SEMITE! WIPE ISRAEL OFF OF THE MAP!11 one one one" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_XAeqtY7Sk

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 14:51

>>25
What total nonsense.

Iran wants what is has had for most of its existence; an empire.
It wants to have control or increase its control over the Arab states. If it gains nukes then this becomes possible. Israel is only a factor because a easy way to gain support for a new Persian empire is to attack and kill Jews.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 17:09

>>26
Everything that you just said is completely false. Ahmadinejad doesn't want to kill Jews. He wants to defend himself and his nation against ZIONISM. If he really wanted to take over and kill Jews do you really think he would have made the trip to New York to meet good-hearted anti-ZIONIST Jews in a peaceful manner?

Your kind of war mongering rhetoric is falling flat on its face, people are waking up and seeing what foreign interventionism actually does over the long term. All it's doing is delaying (and most likely reversing) any and all peaceful attempts at quelling the middle eastern conflicts.

You're such a tool of the neoconservative/neoliberal BS hate mongering that you're completely blind to the real reality.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 17:28

people who believe iran would actually nuke israel are fucking idiotic hawks and WILL be the death of us

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 17:50

>>28
Why do they have a nuclear weapons program, then?  Do they feel threatened by Finland?

lawl.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 22:24

>>29

Nukes for Iran would be more of a bargaining chip than something to actually use.  While they could go wild on the Arab world with the technology, they are still restricted by diplomacy because they are still worth something economically.  Their whole economy depends on the export of oil, and trade with close neighbors like Russia, China, Turkey, Pakistan, and India. 

Another reason they're probably chasing nukes is because of Persian psychology.  I remember reading an excerpt from some book...I think it was called The Ayatollah Begs to Differ...But Iranians apparently have this insane need for one-up-manship.  If their neighbors have something, they have to be better.  Israel, India, North Korea, and Pakistan all defied the world and acquired nukes.  They're probably feeling left out, especially since they vie for regional hegemony.  They'll probably never use the nuke, but they will probably threaten others with it just so people listen to them. 

Pakistan is actually a bigger nuclear threat, since apparently the main government gave up 'ownership' of their nukes.  Not exactly sure what this means, since I haven't read too much into it yet, but at worst, it means Fundamentalist extremist could get their hands on the weapons more easily. 

Iran does not have extremist/terrorist like Pakistan has.  They may lean toward Fundamentalism, but like I said earlier, they still depend on diplomacy.  Terrorist Pakistani tribes do not have this restriction.

In actuality, Iran is against terrorism.  They were fighting the Taliban long before the USA, and Al Qaeda is still a problem for Iran, as the terrorist organization still kidnaps and kills members of their government and the Revolutionary Guard. 

Although that's not to say they aren't sponsoring  Hezbollah, which they most likely have a hand in, but that's just to screw with Israel...and maybe more recently, Saudi Arabia.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 22:27

>>30

I actually forgot to add Iran's trade with Germany and France, who now support sanctions, which is probably why Iran has been louder with their threats.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-02 22:31

Adding one more example of Iranian diplomacy, just in case someone wants to argue "Lol, Terrorist Nation."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/02/british-sailors-release-iran-dubai

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-03 4:56

>>32
>the five British sailors detained last week when their yacht drifted unintentionally into Iranian waters spoke today of how they had been boarded and blindfolded by the crew of two fast patrol boats before being locked for five days in an Iranian national guard mess room.
This is not how a civilised nation treats what is obviously a civilian sailing yacht that accidentally enters it's international waters.

I mean seriously, it had sails, they're not drug dealers or the spearhead of an invasion.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-03 9:08

>>27
What on  earth? Zionism? Yeah the biggest threat to Iran is Zionism, not the theocratic dictatorship that suppress and murders its own people in order to perpetuate the regime's own existence.

In fact I think the hundreds of thousands of Iranian students that risked their lives and freedom where mostly concerned about Zionism.

And of course the all those rockets and mortars sent to Hamas and Lebanon are mealy a bluff as Neither Hamas or Hezbola have ever killed a single Israeli. Oh and the training they provide to them as well is all meant in the spirit of good will.

You certainly do know what you are talking about and really show some good insights in to these issues.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-03 12:16

>>33

Iran's a pretty paranoid nation.  They have also arrested Americans who have also hiked into their territory. 

They treated the British sailor's pretty well though, even though they were detained.  I guess to feel the full brunt of Iranian paranoia you have to be either Israeli (not necessarily Jewish, as Iran does have a Jewish population), American, Foreign Military, or Local Dissident.  I think local dissidents get it worse though, as the article in the recent Newsweek revealed.

Iran ranks up there with China, N.Korea, India, Israel, and Saudi Arabia for abuses against their own citizens.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-03 20:22

>>35
Actually Iranians have a special place in their paranoia about the British, see 'My Uncle Napoleon'. I believe there are stories about how the US only invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and more or less any presence in the middle east because the British tricked them into doing the heavy lifting.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-04 14:26

>>23 So the reason that they want to nuke israel is because we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?  That's a strange approach to take.  Besides which, up until 9/11, the only places we were were Iraq (the no-fly zones) and Saudi Arabia.  We weren't in Iran at all, nor were we threatening them. 

That whole BS line doesn't make sense on the face of it.  I can't point to anything that we were doing before Iran started it's nuke program.

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-04 15:02

uh, operation ajax anyone?

Name: Anonymous 2009-12-05 15:57

>>36
Bow to your imperial masters inferior Iranian scum. The empire rises again!

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