Racism is confusing..

according to those crazy stormfronters, greeks and croats are white but albanians aren't.

>>1
Don't worry, it gets a little confusing. All you really need to know is if you have enough money you are white, technically.

>>1
There are a few white Albanians, even on Stormfront.

WTF is Albania?

Jews are not white

Learn 2 Google: http://www.google.com/search?q=Albania

Just for being Catholic at one point in time caused some people not to view you as "white".

Most Jews are white

Go back to school, >>5 fuckmoron

Most jews look like Arabs or Russians, so they're not white.

>>9
Since when do Arabs and Russians look alike? Furthermore, since when are Russians not white?

If Croats are white, so are Russians. Or vice versa.

>>1
Albanians aren't "white" per se.

>>10

have you looked at an atlas recently? russia is HUGE!
a large part of russia is caucasian, but other parts are darker skinned, darker haired etc. it's bordering kazakhstahn, china, mongolia, eastern europe.

Being "white" is more than just having light-colored skin.

>>12

That is correct, sir.

Race is a Myth?

The left distorts science for political purposes.

by Michael Rienzi

http://www.amren.com/0012issue/0012issue.html#cover

Species is a social construct. Humans and chimpanzees share most of their DNA, so differences are irrelevant.

>>14
lol.

>>14
Genus is a social construct. Protein share most of their DNA, so differences are irrelevant.

>>16
Family is a social construct. Protein share most of their DNA, so differences are irrelevant.

>>17
Order is a social construct. Protein share most of their DNA, so differences are irrelevant.

>>18
Class is a social construct. Protein share most of their DNA, so differences are irrelevant.

>>19
Phylum is a social construct. Protein share most of their DNA, so differences are irrelevant.

>>20
Kingdom is a social construct. Protein share most of their DNA, so differences are irrelevant.

>>10

Russians are a mongoloid people, most of them have slanted eyes.

>>21
The difference between life and inanimate objects is a social construct. Atoms share most of their elementary particles, so differences are irrelevant.

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>>19
King Philip Came... Age over.

>>22

Russian ARE white, however Russia is not as homogenous and does have Mongoloids as well.

There is a Stormfront Russia: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php/stormfront-russia-67.html

You might want to ask about what kind of racial data they have for Russia, and some members may help you here: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php/general-questions-and-comments-89.html

*Russians

>>1 Your first mistake was listening to sturmfags. Your second was we'd give a shit.

>>25

I'm not talking about the various non-Slavic peoples that live in Russia; the Russians were originally a white people, but after 1000's of years of living amongst mongoloids they have become tainted. Hunnic, Turkic, Altaic, Uralic, Mongoloid peoples all mingled with the people of Rus. You can still see the evidence in their eyes. Perhaps a good eugenics project could fix this, but I'm not counting on it.

Hitlers knew this, and I think Hitler is a better authority on race than you, me or stormfront. Not that I hate Russians, I think thet did a decent job of protecting the rest of Europe.

Ivan the Great's destruction of the Tartars was a momentous occasion in history. It signalled the beginning of all consuming nation states that do not rise and fall due to petty power struggles between warlords. The Mongol empire fell when Kubilai Khan sufferred from melancholy at the death of one of his bitches and failure to defeat Japan. When future Russian rulers did stupid things they were replaced, quietly. Despite the military achievements of the Mongolids the Rus finnished off with the steppes due to their superior adaptability and stability.

If you have white skin, you are white.

I have pink skin, nigger.

its all pink on the inside

>>28

He was "good" for his day, however, there are specific genetic tests for racial ancestry and while they aren't completely accurate today, they continue to become more so.

>>30
what if I had blue skin?

>>34
You are asphyxiating.

>>35
lol.

Racism Is very unconfusing

if your black you are inferior
If you are jewish you are inferior
If you are french you are inferior
If you are green you are inferious

>>37
Trolling is not very confusing.

Etc.,etc...

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>>23

Dumb racists are fucking dumb. Why do you continue to make arguments like these but whenever it comes down to actual scientific debate you are unable to reply with convincing evidence supporting your world-view?

You guys are just as bad as niggers blaming whites for their woes. You get off on the zealotry and fervor of your beliefs because you feel empty inside. I got news for you- that same angst you feel against others is inherent in every other human on the fucking planet. This makes you weak and so the cycle of faggotry continues.

>>39
"The difference between life and inanimate objects is a social construct. Atoms share most of their elementary particles, so differences are irrelevant."

People want to identify with a particular group. It's part of human nature, and in the modern world, race is a group that many people can take pride in. Anti-racialists, though, are doing whatever they can to extinguish any sense of racial pride. One technique is to claim, as is now a cliche: "race is nothing more than a social construct".

Is it so strange that people would fight against that notion by showing the absurd conclusions that thinking can lead to? Putting aside the neurotic motivations of anti-racialists, should they be given a free ride when they use pseudo-science to try to erode the identities of white people?

>>40

The motivations of racialists are just as neurotic as anti-racialists. Furthermore, there are several scientific AND spiritually-based institutions that would agree with what is inferred in the above quote. If "belonging" to "whites" is what eases your angst, I have no reason or right to take that away from you unless you prevent me from my own happiness- even if that happiness is marrying a white woman (blasphemy to you, I know). But, it just must be simply understood that your logic operates on an insulated slippery-slope fallacy.

Not only do you refuse to take in account evidences (intellectual, spiritual...etc) that go beyond race, but you refuse to address scientific evidences that clearly show race as a social construct made before empirical fact. That's the only objection I have to your race obsession.

Summing up: My only point was that you are absolutely no different from your enemy. They believe the opposite of you by thinking people should be sated by identifying with other humans regardless of race and that your pride is going to lead to the restriction of the freedom of others and endless amounts of needless conflict.

No matter what the only winner are those that present their argument empirically, truthfully, absolutely and without slippery-slope fallacy. And it is in this regard that you habitually fail.

Everything is a social construct. That doesn't mean it's incorrect.

>>14 "Species is a social construct. Humans and chimpanzees share most of their DNA, so differences are irrelevant. "

yes the difference being that ALL humans can reproduce with each other, whereas you do not get half chimp creatures when a man shags a monkey. i can see you are trying to be clever (and i almost fell for it) but race still is a social construct.

>>43
There are wide genetic differences between races which do affect performance and traits.

>>43
If they aren't a race what are they? Since the fact there are groups which share genes that are rare other groups and their traits and abilities are different. We can call them something else if you want, sub-species is the proper taxonomy, or you can make up a new word like "Fquiloms" to describe them.

Race does not matter. There is no skin color in Islam. Islam will dominate the world.

>>40 "should they be given a free ride when they use pseudo-science to try to erode the identities of white people?"

1. racism is itself based on pseudo science
2. white identity is something created by modern racist groups which has unfortunatly slowly entered the mainstream through amongst others "black" comedians, self deprecating musicians and institutional racism. there never used to be a thing as "white" identity, for the ruling classes, they were simply the default setting for humans and everyone else was inferior.

thus i deplore racism and hate the terms "white" and "black". if we really wish to get rid of racism we must stop using these words, soemthing which light skinned liberals seem to cowardly to acknowledge, that having a "black culture" merely perpetuates the "us and them" mentality.

>>47
1: The act of discriminating based on race is inaccurate science. The act of analysing different population groups or DNA based on race using scientific method is valid.
2: People who believe in white identity do not necessarily believe they are superior, they just do not wish to have sweaty black asses forced into their face 24/7 by the media and ridiculous govwernment programs aimed at putting a token negro in every neighbourhood, workplace and classroom.

>>42

In the case of race, where it was socially constructed before empirical fact, yet it does mean that it's incorrect.

>>48

1: Once again, in the case where these population groups are *socially* and *politically* defined before empirical fact, where such data is used to determine meritability in society...the concept is invalid.

2: The want or need to separate or segregate in a 100% free society of equal and free men denotes superiority or the idea meritable (or unmeritable) differences by default. We went over this in the 60's, remember?

No one is forcing you to do anything you don't want to do as long as it's within reason and as long as you adhere to the social contract. I think that you understand this but the simple fact is that you want other whites to feel the same as you do. Neverminding the fact that whites are thrusted into non-whites face in every neighborhood, workplace and classroom as well.

Big deal. Everyone dislikes everyone. The only reason you see your hatred as more valid isn't because of mere pride- it's because of your notions of racial superiority. There is a difference. There are even non-whites who think their hatred of you is valid on a basis of moral superiority and they are just as wrong as you.   

Most jews are not white

Go back to school >>8 fuckmoron

>>50
1: It would not be invalid it would be innaccurate. Genes do affect traits and performance, just not enough to warrant racism as the best means of selecting employees as there are much more accurate methods.

2: This only works in the state and serves to force businesses to make good decisions. As a result of forcing racist businesses to make good decisions they have not gone out of business and can continue to be racist.

I never said I harboured these opinions. All I care about is money and living in opulent splendour.

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>>39

Hello, that is an ad hominem attack and also happens to be known as a logical fallacy.

Sorry, that isn't working here.

>>54

You know what? Just me posting alone, I've run around circles and circles with you fucks. Everytime we approach anything close to you providing scientific basis for your assertions or anything close to addressing the facts as they are (and not as you wish them to be) it ends in the spamming of "nigger" or the thread getting buried because of your lack of retort.

I can ad hominem until your fat fuckshit mother comes slathering back home and you still would've provide a reasonable defense for you misplaced pride and hatred.

>>55
>misplaced pride
What's the matter with a group self-identifying? Nobody thinks it's strange when an individual feels pride in a child or a sibling. Nobody rails against Native American elders using a tribe's sense of pride to try to improve their lot. Why should it be different for someone's ancestors or a larger genetic group?

>hatred.
It's completely natural for someone to be opposed to those who go against the interests of his group, which is essentially an extension of his self (for people who aren't completely warped by modern individualism). Don't Jews have license to hate Nazis? Similarly, white people are reasonable to oppose liberals who openly encourage unchecked non-white immigration (which leads to destruction of the race), as well as conservatives who give lip service to controls while simultaneously de-funding the INS. Whites should by no means feel ashamed of hating media moguls like Rupert Murdoch who are actively at work trying to destroy any sense of white identity (and to encourage miscegenation). What's misplaced about these feelings?

>>56

There's nothing matter with self-identification when you are adept at putting your own identity in perspective. 

>> It's completely natural for someone to be opposed to those who go against the interests of his group, which is essentially an extension of his self (for people who aren't completely warped by modern individualism).

In the case of the social relevance of race and culture: What qualifies as "the group" is nebulous, sorely lacking in concrete historical and biological definition, and at it's very basic is merely a sub-classification for the greater group as a whole.

 All data aside- one thing we know intrinsically is that "Man" existed long before "Black Man" and "White Man" came along. By even having this discussion or being affected by it-- you admit to the flaw in your world view on a sub-conscious level.

Jews do not have a license to hate Nazis. Just like- even though I am black- I believe wholeheartedly that blacks do not have a license to hate whites. The notion of "a license to hate or destroy" is a psychological defect.

Given the delusion you just "enlightened" us with, do you think that "liberals" and "Rupert Murdoch" have a license to "destroy the sense of the white identity" given that they might feel that the mythological "white identity" is a greater threat to their "group"? What's to be done when "The Group" doesn't identity itself on the basis of culture, genetics or race - but instead a set of roaming ideals and core beliefs?

The lack of perspective is precisely why the misplaced feelings are just that: Feelings. Irrational emotions, pathetic sentimentality and wanton faggotry with no basis in reality or fact. Which brings us full circle to what I already fucking stated in >>39:

"You guys are just as bad as niggers blaming whites for their woes. You get off on the zealotry and fervor of your beliefs because you feel empty (weak, threatened) inside.

I got news for you- that same angst you feel against others is inherent in every other human on the fucking planet. This makes you weak and so the cycle of faggotry continues."

>>57
That's an interesting opinion, but that really is all that it is. It certainly should not be seen as an valid argument that racial pride is inherently unreasonable.

Except for the most egotistical of people, everyone needs a group to belong to. Everyone has their own failings, everyone needs a source of safety and belonging, and everyone needs something bigger than themselves to believe in. Race certainly has more biological grounding than religion, but many people do very well identifying with a certain religion. While we can talk Marx or Nietzsche and say that that's a bad thing, in practical terms a lot of people would be worse off if they were robbed of a source of identity.

For many people, religion doesn't work for them, and western culture has a great deal of failings when it comes to providing a group identity (partly caused by recurring cycles of religious fundamentalism and secularism that have reduced the secular culture to little more than a matter of music and clothing choices). Race, which is essentially a very extended family, is a source of thousands of years of history and culture, and seems as valid as anything as a group for someone to belong to.

>we know intrinsically is that "Man" existed long before "Black Man" and "White Man" came along

Actually, there's evidence of racial separation before the emergence of "homo sapiens". It shouldn't matter, though. Race does exist, just as humanity exists. For someone to self-identify as "white" or "black" there's a distinct group to belong to. If he only says "human" then that's such an inclusive group as to be a meaningless statement.

>Jews do not have a license to hate Nazis.
How should Jews feel towards Nazis, then? I'm not talking about your silly black-white civil rights/slavery squabbles. I'm saying that one person is a member of a cultural/religious group (that has many of the same traits as a race) and that the other is a member of a political party that has the stated purpose of exterminating the former. Should that Jew said to have a "psychological defect" if he isn't unbiased?

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>>58

You're backwards, obtuse and your arguments repeatedly fail precisely because you lack that magic word: "perspective". I'm sure alot of things seem relevant at first glance, but upon closer inspection we find that the earth is not flat, that God probably isn't as powerful (or real) as we think and that our very existence is seemingly a random and freak occurence- not providence.

The solidarity of your view becomes moot automatically because there are billions of other retards vying (out of fear) for the same validity and supremacy. The fact that you compare your sad (and frankly: outdated) world view to religion and then ultimately to the more important works of the mind that all of mankind lay claim to speaks volumes about your sickness and your desperation to protect that which you believe makes you strong. You haven't gleaned anything close to enlightenment. You're just scared and that fear is more psychologically gratifiying to you than perspective and truth. 

You say that to not believe in a group makes you "egotistical", yet all I said was that the group *you* identitify with is what is flawed. Isn't it a bit self-centered to believe that because I'm attacking your flawed group-think that I'm attacking all group-think? What is altruistic about racism? What is altruistic about pride in only your sub-group? 

Race, which is essentially a very extended family, is a source of thousands of years of history and culture, and seems as valid as anything as a group for someone to belong to. ... Race does exist, just as humanity exists. For someone to self-identify as "white" or "black" there's a distinct group to belong to. If he only says "human" then that's such an inclusive group as to be a meaningless statement.
 

And we're right back where every thread ends up. Your lack of objective proof. Your inability to describe race as nothing more than a social sub-classification crafted before empirical fact. Given that "the human race" has more of a concrete objective standing than race, you'll exuse me if I take humanity more seriously than some cultures that feign actual difference.

How should Jews feel towards Nazis, then? I'm not talking about your silly black-white civil rights/slavery squabbles. I'm saying that one person is a member of a cultural/religious group (that has many of the same traits as a race) and that the other is a member of a political party that has the stated purpose of exterminating the former. Should that Jew said to have a "psychological defect" if he isn't unbiased?

Perspective at work: Blacks don't consider the matter of 400 years of slavery to be "silly". You don't consider the attack on the "white identity" to be "silly". The Germans didn't take the percieved undermining of their society by "The Scary Jew" to be "silly". What makes your pain or the Jews suffering any 'better' than anybody elses? We learned after the crusades, after the islamic and japanese empires, after the moors that not even God gives you a license to hate or kill...so where are you pulling your righteousness from, >>58?

This isn't a difference of opinion. When you don't use perspective, this becomes a matter of right and wrong.

>>58


Also: If it's "just an interesting opinion" then you should have no problem answering the following:

Given the delusion you just "enlightened" us with, do you think that "liberals" and "Rupert Murdoch" have a license to "destroy the sense of the white identity" given that they might feel that the mythological "white identity" is a greater threat to their "group"? What's to be done when "The Group" doesn't identity itself on the basis of culture, genetics or race - but instead a set of roaming ideals and core beliefs?

>>55

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If you wish, personally, I suggest you go here: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/

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>>64


Read what >>55 just said about the race argument and then look at what just happened in posts: >>62, >>63, >>64. Now ask yourself if he was wrong.

>>65
Irrelevant, >>55 requested a scientific basis for my assertions so  I gave a link.

>>65
I'd say he isn't wrong. Most of the people who push racial thought are testosterone-addled teenagers and meth-addled trailer trash. It's kind of like how environmentalists can back up their beliefs with good data, have good, rational arguments, but at the end of the day they're still just a bunch of dirty hippies.

As for >>60 and >>61, though, you can't expect to have a serious argument if you're just going to shotgun all this shit at me. One well-constructed argument is worth a lot more than ten flat assertions.

>>66

You left me a link to a white nationalist website. Unless you can out-wiki this situation or send me some stuff from the scientific journal validating your claims, then you have nothing.

>>67

Yeah, except most white nationalist don't have good data or anything unbiased to back their shit up. Majority Rights.com? The Bell Curve? Come on now. That stuff is no different that if I were to post shit about white people being genetically enginnered by africans or some stupid shit like that.

Whenever someone remains objective with them about this and tries show them how race doesn't workout on empirical levels...they start whining about how "everybody needs to belong". That's just retarded and childish. Feelings aren't facts.

>>1
A large number of sturmfaggots are filthy Serbs; LOL!

Yiff in hell, furfag.

>>68
Other than the results being based on facts.

http://redirme.com/5pm

Jews are not white

>>73
http://redirme.com/5pm

Which major racial type do Jews fit into?

a. White
b. Black
c. Oriental
d. Hispanic
e. Aborigine
f. American Indian

g. Extraterrestrial  Lizard

>>75

they're sandniggers
israeli security guards can't tell the difference between arabs and jews until the arab explodes

I sure as hell don't see "Semite" as a racial type.

that what happens when you check the box marked "all others"

jews are of midldle eastern descent. so they are infact semites. as in from the middle east thats what semite means.

>>78

But you consider "hispanic" as a racial type? lol...

>>1

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v8/n7/abs/5200443a.html

Yeah, Albanians are Europeans. Serbians are just trying to make them look un-European because of political reasons. Albanians also happen to be Muslims, and as we all know, Stormfronters think that Muslims = pure evil, so that's why they're very reluctant to admit that Albanians are Europeans.

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