Black vs. White

56% of black violent crime is committed against Whites

 2.6% of White violent crime is against blacks

RACIST WAAAH WAAAAAAAH

Society has taught those of color that those who are pale owe them something for the fact that they were enslaved in the past. The world owes them and everyone else nothing.

>>3 Not that simple. "Lol it is that simple you lieberalsocialist because I say so and conviction is superior to careful analysis."
>>1 Sauce? I mean, verifiable sensible sauce?

>>4
I was born white and only been on this world for 14 years, I had nothing to do with slavery and it's not as though whites are the only race capable of evil. I have enough problems as it is without being accused of ancient atrocities by some tiny segment of a group of people a slightly larger segment likes to call an ethnic minority. Don't let your race bullshit bother me.

>>5
underaged.

>>1
I read those stats on an official site. You are correct. Solution? Kill 53.4% of all negroes. Nobody would care.

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>>5
LOL 14! 14! GTFO

maybe becuse 60-70% or something like that of all crimes are committed by black people, and the majority of people with something to steal are white, just a guess, anyways, i'm not OP but as for verifapple sauce here's a link for some book from 1999 (omgz outdated) called the color of crime.
www.amren.com/color.pdf

>>3

Come back and tell us your opinion again when you are 20, then when you are 30, then 40. Your mental development has a long way to go before you can begin to comprehend the complexity of an issue such as race, trust me.

>>11

Meant to quote >>5

1.  MAKE THREAD ABOUT RACE
2.  TAKE RACIST STANCE
3.  ???
4.  10000 REPLIES!

>>11
That's not a compelling argument.

well you konw what they say sometimes you gotta hit a nigga

>>15

but that would only attribute to the black on black crime?

>>11

christ, how old are you?  respond to the post, don't tell him to go away and come back when he's older.  what you're saying is essentially the same as >>9

>>17

How old are you, motherfucker? Jesus Christ, you fucking kids are an absurd fucking bunch. You sit here and act like we're supposed to take you seriously and the very fact that you *want* to be taken serious when it's obvious you're just a know-nothing child-cunts makes you even more childish. Telling us "just because I'm young doesn't mean..." is a waste. It just makes you look MORE inexperienced and therefore stupidier. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO RACE ISSUES.

>>1
Those stats are laughable, even if they were correct.

For one, you would have to take into account how much of the US population is white and how much is black.  How many blacks live in violent areas as compared to how many whites live in violent areas.  How many blacks would have something to gain from crimes and how many are forced into it as compared to whites.  How many whites can buy/bribe their way out of charges as compared to blacks.  Etc, etc, etc.

Also, lol, I probably missed the most obvious one.

What percentage of White violent crime is against whites? :p

>>19
>>20

This is a person who graduated high school.

>>18

Continually dancing around the issue 'makes you look MORE inexperienced and therefore stupidier. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO RACE ISSUES.'

If you have a point, state it.

>>19
Why do you think the areas blacks live in are more voilent?
Stop making excues for the nigs you Jew.

>>19
You just ignored causality, mister.
It's not violent areas that make violent crime. It's violent crime that makes violent areas. Yep, blacks live there, do violent crime there, and that's why the area is dangerous.

>How many blacks would have something to gain from crimes and how many are forced into it as compared to whites
Everyone can gain something through violent crime. 'Gaining something' is not an excuse for violent crime, there's no excuse for it.

>how much of the US population is white and how much is black
This one makes more sense. If you take that into account, you would get 8,5% violent white crime against blacks, which still proves the point.

>>24
in all seriousness.
all complete seriousness, as in: no more memes or witty comebacks.
all of that shit aside, completely serious right now.
if I had a gun with one bullet, and you were standing in front of me.
but next to you, was Hitler, alive again and ready to kill another 7 million or so Jews.
Honestly, I would shoot you. I really would. Why you're even on this planet is something I really would like to know. I want to know how you managed to stumble into this place, and who told you about human soceity.
Honestly, you're the sole reason the world is full of fail nowadays. It would give me great pleasure to know that before I left, I could at least convince one idiot to leave this place for those with a positive IQ.

So please, in all seriousness, just leave this place and never return

-Jesus

56% of black violent crime is committed against Whites

 2.6% of White violent crime is against blacks

because most white peoples are wuss

>>25
Don\'t like the facts?

56% of Black violent crime is committed against Whites
2.6% of White violent crime is against Blacks
Fun with statistics:
This means that 100 - 2.6 = 97.4% of White violent crime is done against non-Blacks. OP seems to want us to focus on only Blacks&Whites, so we'll have to assume that "non-Black" means White.
That means that 97.4% of violent Whites do crimes against Whites, as opposed to 56% of violent Blacks.

WOAH! This means that Whites are more dangerous for Whites than Blacks are!
Stay away from me, white boy!

>>28 Pfft. Mathematics has a liberal bias.

>>25
Just remember: If 7 million jews die because of you, you will have to kill 6mill+ nigras too to keep the counter close to 56%.

>>29 Mathematics has no bias, however liberals commonly use pseudo-mathematics (errors) to prove their \"points\". Liberals are the masters of fallacy, it\'s what marx was all about.

>>28
\"so we\'ll have to assume that \"non-Black\" means White.\"
Your argument became erroneous from this point onwards, however even if your results are marginally correct your conclusion is erroneous.

\"WOAH! This means that Whites are more dangerous for Whites than Blacks are!
Stay away from me, white boy!\"
A white violent criminal is more likely to commit crimes against NON-BLACKS. However your results say nothing about the probability of a white being a violent criminal. Only someone of very low intelligence or who has not finnished high school would fail to spot this. Though I guess they are you liberal\'s target audience.

If we are to solve the problems in the black community, the black community needs to know what it\'s problems are and they should begin by rejecting bullshit like this. Instead of kneeling down in front of liberals and sucking their dick the black community needs to stand up and have the balls to face criticism. I\'ve heard black people claim that whites don\'t have the right to criticise, insult or patronise them. Insulting and patronisation are bad yes, but to mix these 2 falses with the truth of loyal decent criticism only shows the underlying problems with African Americans.

You cannot dispose blacks of opportunities, continue to institutionalize a white bias, and at the same time try to criticize the negative aspects of black society that you witlessly help perpetuate. I know, I know "I didn't do anything, I'm just saying...etc etc etc." -- We've heard it all before. I'm sick of reasoning with the white status quo; you're being out-bred and hopefully the roots of your guilt-ridden, condescending anglo culture will die out.

>>31
LIBERALS ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO LIE AND CORRUPT BEAUTIFUL MATHEMATICS FOR THEIR SINISTER PURPOSES!!!!11one
CONSERVATIVES ON THE OTHER HAND ARE UPRIGHT DEFENDERS OF JUSTICE WHO NEVER BREAK THE LAW OR RESORT TO EVIL METHODS OF INTELLIGENCE GATHERING OR BIGOTRY OR PANDER TO LOBBYISTS OR HAVE CYBERSEX WITH YOUNG BOYS, THEY ARE MASTERS OF LOGIC AND BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD INVADE MUSLIM COUNTRIES KILL THEIR LEADERS AND CONVERT THEM TO CHRISTIANITY WHICH IS JUST AS GOD INTENDED AS THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND AMERICA IS THE DIVINE IMPLEMENT TO KILL ALL THOSE TOWELHEADS AND THEIR HEATHEN GOD.

Please refrain from saying "liberals", we all know you want to say "Niggerloving kikes in the media", this is 4chan, we'll understand.

>>32
lol, nigras are taking ovar

>>31
Your argument became erroneous from this point onwards
Did it ever occur to you I might be poking fun at flaky use of statistics? Was the title "Fun with statistics" a little too subtle for you there?

your results say nothing about the probability of a white being a violent criminal
Nor did OP, whom I was quoting. Hence the "have to assume" remark.

or who has not finnished high school
One who has finished high school will usually know how to spell. (OK, that's nitpicking.)

Though I guess they are you liberal's target audience.
So I'm a liberal just cos I turn flaky statistics on its head to show how absurd it gets? That would mean you have to be liberal to take dodgy statistics with a pinch of salt. What does that say about conservatives (et al)?
Anyway, I'm not into preaching for the choir. I prefer to cause ppl to educate themselves, in this case by showing how absurd statistics can get if you twist the argument enough and your audience's brain is turned off.

Insulting and patronisation are bad yes, but to mix these 2 falses with the truth of loyal decent criticism only shows the underlying problems with African Americans.
It shows underlying problems with far more than just Blacks. They're just easiest to pick on cos they've got fewer (fancy) lawyers.

the black community needs to know what its problems are and they should begin by rejecting bullshit like this
I think the main problem is a bit too universal; youngsters get a list of less than a half dozen permissabe interests, and non-conformers get clowned on. Where I come from it's going straight from high school to the local factory (leaving you phuxx0rd the day your factory shuts down, cos that was all you knew how to do), in Black communities it's basketball (bling), rap (more bling) and drugrunning (even more bling).

Everywhere this fucked-up excuse for thinking takes hold, the result is the same: stagnation. What passes for culture gets stuck in one place and never moves on. Nor does the population, since they've effectively been told all their lives to not think, and to never learn anything new. And it doesn't get better when all the nation around them can think to do, is to pick on them for just doing what they were told.

If you really want to help, you'll want to look at where that kind of attitude comes from, and what's keeping it alive. You'll want to replace it with something more productive (like that's hard). Gawking at useless chunks of statistics is just perpetuating the problem, aside from confusing cause and effect, which is (let's be generous here) less than intelligent.

>>32
If non-blacks did not criticise black people it would be worse. Why? It is patronising for a person to flatter and compliment someone else ad nauseum, but you seem to like that. That\'s the first problem a person needs to fix before they can solve the problems they are ignoring or blaming on something else.

Oh and my race or culture doesn\'t affect my argument and you have no proof that I have committed discrimination so I\'ll completely ignore whatever you said about that.

>>33
I\'m not a conservative, but I did sort of find that funny. Do it again except for non-conservatives.

>>35
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22violent+crime%22+black+white&meta=
Blacks need to admit it is more likely for people of their ethnicity to commit more crime and go about finding the causes without fear of what they might find out about themselves. There is something wrong with hiding the truth.

Males admit males commit more crime, there is nothing wrong with the truth.

>>36

You are completely out of touch with reality and with black people in general. No one in "the community" is fooling themselves about black people committing more crimes. We don't need your help in pointing that out. It's in the culture. What needs to be discussed is why crimes need to be committed, why this culture persists and how blacks can escape a negative culture that is maintained and perpetuated by the white status quo.

And might I add that this white status quo even habitually fails to govern it's own society? Couple these, with American History, barely 70 years of civil rights and white nationalism and you've got a volitile situation. Or rather; extremely complex.

This is why you were told in the beginning that you're just a child. This is why you were asked to come back when ou're 20, 30 and then 40. Because it's not a simple issue and your ideals and opinions on the matter are as simplistic as it gets. And "simplistic" is being generious. The truth is: You're an inbred fucktard.

http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html

>>38

Anti Chan here. I did not post this. I will however, take this mockery as your omission of fail. Either you have a reply or you don't. Links are for faggots.

>>37
\"maintained and perpetuated by the white status quo.\"
The fact that white people think they are white causes black people to commit more crime and become less likely to follow intellectual professions and pursuits? How?

\"And might I add that this white status quo even habitually fails to govern it\'s own society? Couple these, with American History, barely 70 years of civil rights and white nationalism and you\'ve got a volitile situation. Or rather; extremely complex.\"
What time period are you talking about? White nationalism?

See? You know I am a severe critic of the black community, yet the idea of actually backing up your statements with proof is beyond you. Of course racism has something to do with it, but with the popularity of liberalism, 40 years after the civil rights movement, practically every humanities subject in public schools filled with anti-racist dogma, extreme measures like affirmative action and whites facing the loss of their careers if they do something even slightly associated with racism, maybe there are more factors at play than \"white man done it\".

Oh and I\'m not going to rant and troll in an attempt to make you feel stupid, I\'m more mature than that.

The fact that white people think they are white causes black people to commit more crime and become less likely to follow intellectual professions and pursuits? How?

My belief is that all white people are theoretically racist in that their 'objective critism' is actually a psychological attack. The symptoms of this are slavery, jim crow, white privelege and other instances of instituationalized inequality. "Objective Criticism" is based primarily on feelings of superiority. Anglo/whites deal with themselves subjectively; Anglo/whites  have always dealt with black objectively. Do you see the flaw? Or do I really have to sit here and spell it out?

See? You know I am a severe critic of the black community, yet the idea of actually backing up your statements with proof is beyond you. Of course racism has something to do with it, but with the popularity of liberalism, 40 years after the civil rights movement, practically every humanities subject in public schools filled with anti-racist dogma, extreme measures like affirmative action and whites facing the loss of their careers if they do something even slightly associated with racism, maybe there are more factors at play than \"white man done it\".

This is exactly my point. Whites have no right to be critical of blacks when it is their current culture and their history that is partly responsible for present-day disparity. Whites who are critical of blacks fall into two categories.

"Blacks are failures." (conservatives)

"Blacks are failures; let's give them handouts." (Liberal)

You see the problem, yes? Of course there are more factors involved than "white man done it". But meanwhile "white man done it" seems like a viable point, given the amount of time a displaced race of people is supposed to intergrate into a system that has shown NO desire to include them. Simple based on the premise that they are inferior.


Oh and I\'m not going to rant and troll in an attempt to make you feel stupid, I\'m more mature than that.

Only an immature fag with no argument would try to make himself seem "more mature" instead of trying to seem 'more correct'. You fail.

>>37
>What needs to be discussed is why crimes need to be committed
No. Crimes don't need to be committed.

>a negative culture that is maintained and perpetuated by the white status quo
No. They were oppressed for many years, but now have equal rights, and are free to do whatever they want. And they built themselves a culture based on crime. Also, you might want to read up on what 'status quo' means.

>>41
>My belief is that all white people are theoretically racist
Your theory is wrong. You presuppose white racism, and blame everything on it.

>instances of instituationalized inequality
You've got a point there. I'm also quite pissed by stuff like that blacks don't need to score as high as whites to be let into universities, or that companies must recruit a number of blacks even if there are no black applicants who can do the job properly. I'm all for abolishing these practises.

>"Objective Criticism" is based primarily on feelings of superiority
No. That is subjective criticism. Objective criticism is based on facts, and not on feelings.

>Whites have no right to be critical of blacks when it is their current culture and their history that is partly responsible for present-day disparity.
That's bullshit. You can't shrug off problems with 'you don't have the right to complain'. Both sides can say that, and nobody's problems will be solved if they refuse to discuss them.

>>41
>>40 here.

\"My belief is that all white people are theoretically racist in that their \'objective critism\' is actually a psychological attack.\"
Everyone child thinks objective criticism is a personal attack. Part of being an adult is accepting criticism and responding to what you think are insults by making clear why you think it is an insult instead of shutting yourself off completely and sinking into paranoia. It\'s difficult and it makes you feel angry, but you have to take control of yourself. Do you feel patronised for being compared to a child? If so then it\'s a good opportunity for you to test what I\'ve suggested.

\"The symptoms of this are slavery, jim crow, white privelege and other instances of instituationalized inequality.\"
Slavery was banned during the reconstruction. The Jim crow laws repealed during the civil rights movement and you have to prove that someone is discriminating or has been discriminated against in a court of law. The minute the government declares all white people to be criminals who have to relinquish some of their rights in compensation to all black people is the same minute they justify actual racists to declare all black people criminals. Hypocrasy breeds hypocrasy, just look at Israel.

\"Anglo/whites deal with themselves subjectively; Anglo/whites  have always dealt with black objectively.\"
This isn\'t a universal law which all whites follow. If you believe this, maybe whites should believe every black person they come across will immediately assume they are racist and that there is no point trusting them either?


\"\"Blacks are failures.\" (conservatives)

\"Blacks are failures; let\'s give them handouts.\" (Liberal)

You see the problem, yes?\"
Yes, I see how this subjective attitude is indeed racism. However you are completely wrong to claim all whites are like this or that all criticism against the black community is illegitimate.

\"Of course there are more factors involved than \"white man done it\". But meanwhile \"white man done it\" seems like a viable point...\"
Again with the \"every white person is guilty\" attitude. There isn\'t as much racism these days, other ethnic minorities do just as well and east asian immigrants tend to achieve and earn more than the average white with similiar upbringing. Yet you continue strive to look for those hiding subconscious closet sleeper cell racists to blame for the ills of the black community. I think you are right, there are some racists still around doing damage to the black community, these racists are so well hidden though you can only see them after a long hard look in the mirror.

\"Only an immature fag with no argument would try to make himself seem \"more mature\" instead of trying to seem \'more correct\'. You fail.\"
But I had already proved that I was correct. There was more to my post than that sentence.

"No. Crimes don't need to be committed."

LOL. You mean like war crimes, right? Crimes of survival aren't crimes. Case in point: US Foreign Policy.

 "No. They were oppressed for many years, but now have equal rights, and are free to do whatever they want. And they built themselves a culture based on crime. Also, you might want to read up on what 'status quo' means."

500 years. Equal rights were given barely 60 years ago. Didn't really get enforced (instituationalized) until the 80's and 90's. If you notice it was right around this time that whites started getting interested in the lives of poor blacks. You keep saying "they built themselves a culture based on crime" as if all the blacks in America got together one night and voted on it. Far too simplistic, don't you think? Maybe even a litle niave? The people that decided "blacks build a culture on crime" were whites. Google "Jim Crow".

"Your theory is wrong. You presuppose white racism, and blame everything on it."

No. Your interpetation of the theory is wrong. I don't blame everything on white racism. But I do recognise that as being one of the prime factors or motavators. That's what makes racial disparity so insideous; it's ability to 'at certain times' seem non-existant.

"You've got a point there. I'm also quite pissed by stuff like that blacks don't need to score as high as whites to be let into universities, or that companies must recruit a number of blacks even if there are no black applicants who can do the job properly. I'm all for abolishing these practises."

"No. That is subjective criticism. Objective criticism is based on facts, and not on feelings.

So you care more about what's happening to a minority of white people now; that what has historically and habitually happened to blacks until about 30 years ago (and what is still happening)? Listen it goes like this: If you look deep in your heart and ask yourself if you prefer whites to blacks- that makes you racist. No amount of semantical engineering (which for you, passes as "debate") on any issue is going to make it otherwise. If you, already prefer whites to blacks, choose to address white disparies before black disparities----then your view point can't be trusted. There is no "objectivity". All the white status quo has done thus far is attempt objective criticism; when they are clearly incapable of looking at blacks objectively.

"That's bullshit. You can't shrug off problems with 'you don't have the right to complain'. Both sides can say that, and nobody's problems will be solved if they refuse to discuss them."

But whites are perpetuating "the problem". No one is refusing to discuss them, you're just refusing to listen.

"Everyone child thinks objective criticism is a personal attack."

Children also know when they are being single-out unfairly. What was your point, again?

The minute the government declares all white people to be criminals who have to relinquish some of their rights in compensation to all black people is the same minute they justify actual racists to declare all black people criminals.

This is the whole point. There are certain whites that care more about white people than blacks. So they percieve something as small and insignificant as affrimative action as something big, terrifying and threatening to everything they hold dear.

"This isn't a universal law which all whites follow."

Well, obviously not all whites. Just the ones with power. Are you following me, here? Did I really have to go in ruin it? The whites with power. There. I said it. Do you understand now? White people with power, who which to see white people powerful. They are the problem. If you follow under this guideline; then you are the problem.

This pretty much wraps up the rest of your post.

>>44
>LOL. You mean like war crimes, right? Crimes of survival aren't crimes.
'Crime of survival (wtf?)' assuming it exists at all, is crime just like the rest. You can't cut out someone's heart just because you need a transplant. I'm actually more concerned about rape, murder, robbery and such, and i seriously doubt that they're necessary for anyone's survival.
I also disagree with you on war crimes: I won't accept that they're 'needed'. They should never happen, and if they do, then there's no excuse for them.

>500 years. Equal rights were given barely 60 years ago.
You're implying it got into their genes, or something like that?

>So you care more about what's happening to a minority of white people now; that what has historically happened to blacks until about 30 years ago?
Yes. I think it was wrong back then against blacks, and it's wrong today against whites and asians. We need equality, and not some kind of retaliation.

If you look deep in your heart and ask yourself if you prefer whites to blacks- that makes you racist.
Nope. You're not obliged to like anyone. It's allowing your personal bias to change your decisions affecting other people's fate that makes you racist.

>But whites are perpetuating "the problem". No one is refusing to discuss them, you're just refusing to listen.
You keep saying that, but i fail to see what's the problem, and how whites are perpetuating it. But i'm listening, so care to elaborate? Logical deductions please. Stuff like "He had no choice but to shoot that guy because whites bought his ancestors 200 years ago" won't do. The past situation, and the oppresion is gone.

>>45
"What was your point, again?"
Making excuses to avoid objective criticism is wrong.


"There are certain whites that care more about white people than blacks. So they percieve something as small and insignificant as affrimative action as something big, terrifying and threatening to everything they hold dear."
There are certain blacks that care more about black people than whites. So they percieve something as something big, terrifying and threatening as institutionalised racism as small and insignificant.

If you haven't noticed, you are the one being racist not me, you don't even have definitive proof of whether I am white or not and you are claiming I'm white lol... I'm not white!! I support affirmative action if the instances of discrimination are proven in a court of law. Judging people by race is not the way to end racism.


""This isn't a universal law which all whites follow."

Well, obviously not all whites. Just the ones with power."
Oh my god, how can you just stand here and tolerate this sickenning racism and crimes against humanity.

Name these criminals and bring them to justice immediately.

K go!

"Making excuses to avoid objective criticism is wrong."

Your assumption that the criticism is objective is wrong. Here's why the criticism is not objective:

"Yes. I think it was wrong back then against blacks, and it's wrong today against whites and asians. We need equality, and not some kind of retaliation."

This isn't what I'm asking you and isn't about Asians (More on that later). I'm asking you if the plight and strife of the white minority is more important than the strife and plight of the black majority. It's a "Y/N?" question. From what I'm seeing your answer is 'Yes', so that makes you a racist and therefore completely unable to express "objective criticisms".

"Oh my god, how can you just stand here and tolerate this sickenning racism and crimes against humanity. Name these criminals and bring them to justice immediately."

This is where "Google: Jim Crow" comes in. There is no "bringing to justice" a sentiment that has been culturally re-enforced for hundreds of years. There can only be incremental justice-serving victories from here on out. Dismantling white privelege and a white power base isn't as easy as pointing a finger to one guy and it all magically disappearing. It's a flaw of white society, a flaw inherant with wanton and careless colonizers.

That's why there affrimative action; it levels the playing field. I'm sorry if you're having a hard time understanding this but: Whites have it easier socially and cultural in this country than any other race, including asains. Using the few (like 2) Japanese venture capitalist as indictor that "Everything is honkey dorey" is a poor tactic especially in light of Katrina and the fact that the best I've seen from the poor asian community is the ownership of Liquor stores and Nail salons.

"You keep saying that, but i fail to see what's the problem, and how whites are perpetuating it. But i'm listening, so care to elaborate? Logical deductions please."

Take a look in the mirror. Which race do you care about more? Whites or Blacks?