Black vs. White

56% of black violent crime is committed against Whites

 2.6% of White violent crime is against blacks

The fact that white people think they are white causes black people to commit more crime and become less likely to follow intellectual professions and pursuits? How?

My belief is that all white people are theoretically racist in that their 'objective critism' is actually a psychological attack. The symptoms of this are slavery, jim crow, white privelege and other instances of instituationalized inequality. "Objective Criticism" is based primarily on feelings of superiority. Anglo/whites deal with themselves subjectively; Anglo/whites  have always dealt with black objectively. Do you see the flaw? Or do I really have to sit here and spell it out?

See? You know I am a severe critic of the black community, yet the idea of actually backing up your statements with proof is beyond you. Of course racism has something to do with it, but with the popularity of liberalism, 40 years after the civil rights movement, practically every humanities subject in public schools filled with anti-racist dogma, extreme measures like affirmative action and whites facing the loss of their careers if they do something even slightly associated with racism, maybe there are more factors at play than \"white man done it\".

This is exactly my point. Whites have no right to be critical of blacks when it is their current culture and their history that is partly responsible for present-day disparity. Whites who are critical of blacks fall into two categories.

"Blacks are failures." (conservatives)

"Blacks are failures; let's give them handouts." (Liberal)

You see the problem, yes? Of course there are more factors involved than "white man done it". But meanwhile "white man done it" seems like a viable point, given the amount of time a displaced race of people is supposed to intergrate into a system that has shown NO desire to include them. Simple based on the premise that they are inferior.


Oh and I\'m not going to rant and troll in an attempt to make you feel stupid, I\'m more mature than that.

Only an immature fag with no argument would try to make himself seem "more mature" instead of trying to seem 'more correct'. You fail.

>>37
>What needs to be discussed is why crimes need to be committed
No. Crimes don't need to be committed.

>a negative culture that is maintained and perpetuated by the white status quo
No. They were oppressed for many years, but now have equal rights, and are free to do whatever they want. And they built themselves a culture based on crime. Also, you might want to read up on what 'status quo' means.

>>41
>My belief is that all white people are theoretically racist
Your theory is wrong. You presuppose white racism, and blame everything on it.

>instances of instituationalized inequality
You've got a point there. I'm also quite pissed by stuff like that blacks don't need to score as high as whites to be let into universities, or that companies must recruit a number of blacks even if there are no black applicants who can do the job properly. I'm all for abolishing these practises.

>"Objective Criticism" is based primarily on feelings of superiority
No. That is subjective criticism. Objective criticism is based on facts, and not on feelings.

>Whites have no right to be critical of blacks when it is their current culture and their history that is partly responsible for present-day disparity.
That's bullshit. You can't shrug off problems with 'you don't have the right to complain'. Both sides can say that, and nobody's problems will be solved if they refuse to discuss them.

>>41
>>40 here.

\"My belief is that all white people are theoretically racist in that their \'objective critism\' is actually a psychological attack.\"
Everyone child thinks objective criticism is a personal attack. Part of being an adult is accepting criticism and responding to what you think are insults by making clear why you think it is an insult instead of shutting yourself off completely and sinking into paranoia. It\'s difficult and it makes you feel angry, but you have to take control of yourself. Do you feel patronised for being compared to a child? If so then it\'s a good opportunity for you to test what I\'ve suggested.

\"The symptoms of this are slavery, jim crow, white privelege and other instances of instituationalized inequality.\"
Slavery was banned during the reconstruction. The Jim crow laws repealed during the civil rights movement and you have to prove that someone is discriminating or has been discriminated against in a court of law. The minute the government declares all white people to be criminals who have to relinquish some of their rights in compensation to all black people is the same minute they justify actual racists to declare all black people criminals. Hypocrasy breeds hypocrasy, just look at Israel.

\"Anglo/whites deal with themselves subjectively; Anglo/whites  have always dealt with black objectively.\"
This isn\'t a universal law which all whites follow. If you believe this, maybe whites should believe every black person they come across will immediately assume they are racist and that there is no point trusting them either?


\"\"Blacks are failures.\" (conservatives)

\"Blacks are failures; let\'s give them handouts.\" (Liberal)

You see the problem, yes?\"
Yes, I see how this subjective attitude is indeed racism. However you are completely wrong to claim all whites are like this or that all criticism against the black community is illegitimate.

\"Of course there are more factors involved than \"white man done it\". But meanwhile \"white man done it\" seems like a viable point...\"
Again with the \"every white person is guilty\" attitude. There isn\'t as much racism these days, other ethnic minorities do just as well and east asian immigrants tend to achieve and earn more than the average white with similiar upbringing. Yet you continue strive to look for those hiding subconscious closet sleeper cell racists to blame for the ills of the black community. I think you are right, there are some racists still around doing damage to the black community, these racists are so well hidden though you can only see them after a long hard look in the mirror.

\"Only an immature fag with no argument would try to make himself seem \"more mature\" instead of trying to seem \'more correct\'. You fail.\"
But I had already proved that I was correct. There was more to my post than that sentence.

"No. Crimes don't need to be committed."

LOL. You mean like war crimes, right? Crimes of survival aren't crimes. Case in point: US Foreign Policy.

 "No. They were oppressed for many years, but now have equal rights, and are free to do whatever they want. And they built themselves a culture based on crime. Also, you might want to read up on what 'status quo' means."

500 years. Equal rights were given barely 60 years ago. Didn't really get enforced (instituationalized) until the 80's and 90's. If you notice it was right around this time that whites started getting interested in the lives of poor blacks. You keep saying "they built themselves a culture based on crime" as if all the blacks in America got together one night and voted on it. Far too simplistic, don't you think? Maybe even a litle niave? The people that decided "blacks build a culture on crime" were whites. Google "Jim Crow".

"Your theory is wrong. You presuppose white racism, and blame everything on it."

No. Your interpetation of the theory is wrong. I don't blame everything on white racism. But I do recognise that as being one of the prime factors or motavators. That's what makes racial disparity so insideous; it's ability to 'at certain times' seem non-existant.

"You've got a point there. I'm also quite pissed by stuff like that blacks don't need to score as high as whites to be let into universities, or that companies must recruit a number of blacks even if there are no black applicants who can do the job properly. I'm all for abolishing these practises."

"No. That is subjective criticism. Objective criticism is based on facts, and not on feelings.

So you care more about what's happening to a minority of white people now; that what has historically and habitually happened to blacks until about 30 years ago (and what is still happening)? Listen it goes like this: If you look deep in your heart and ask yourself if you prefer whites to blacks- that makes you racist. No amount of semantical engineering (which for you, passes as "debate") on any issue is going to make it otherwise. If you, already prefer whites to blacks, choose to address white disparies before black disparities----then your view point can't be trusted. There is no "objectivity". All the white status quo has done thus far is attempt objective criticism; when they are clearly incapable of looking at blacks objectively.

"That's bullshit. You can't shrug off problems with 'you don't have the right to complain'. Both sides can say that, and nobody's problems will be solved if they refuse to discuss them."

But whites are perpetuating "the problem". No one is refusing to discuss them, you're just refusing to listen.

"Everyone child thinks objective criticism is a personal attack."

Children also know when they are being single-out unfairly. What was your point, again?

The minute the government declares all white people to be criminals who have to relinquish some of their rights in compensation to all black people is the same minute they justify actual racists to declare all black people criminals.

This is the whole point. There are certain whites that care more about white people than blacks. So they percieve something as small and insignificant as affrimative action as something big, terrifying and threatening to everything they hold dear.

"This isn't a universal law which all whites follow."

Well, obviously not all whites. Just the ones with power. Are you following me, here? Did I really have to go in ruin it? The whites with power. There. I said it. Do you understand now? White people with power, who which to see white people powerful. They are the problem. If you follow under this guideline; then you are the problem.

This pretty much wraps up the rest of your post.

>>44
>LOL. You mean like war crimes, right? Crimes of survival aren't crimes.
'Crime of survival (wtf?)' assuming it exists at all, is crime just like the rest. You can't cut out someone's heart just because you need a transplant. I'm actually more concerned about rape, murder, robbery and such, and i seriously doubt that they're necessary for anyone's survival.
I also disagree with you on war crimes: I won't accept that they're 'needed'. They should never happen, and if they do, then there's no excuse for them.

>500 years. Equal rights were given barely 60 years ago.
You're implying it got into their genes, or something like that?

>So you care more about what's happening to a minority of white people now; that what has historically happened to blacks until about 30 years ago?
Yes. I think it was wrong back then against blacks, and it's wrong today against whites and asians. We need equality, and not some kind of retaliation.

If you look deep in your heart and ask yourself if you prefer whites to blacks- that makes you racist.
Nope. You're not obliged to like anyone. It's allowing your personal bias to change your decisions affecting other people's fate that makes you racist.

>But whites are perpetuating "the problem". No one is refusing to discuss them, you're just refusing to listen.
You keep saying that, but i fail to see what's the problem, and how whites are perpetuating it. But i'm listening, so care to elaborate? Logical deductions please. Stuff like "He had no choice but to shoot that guy because whites bought his ancestors 200 years ago" won't do. The past situation, and the oppresion is gone.

>>45
"What was your point, again?"
Making excuses to avoid objective criticism is wrong.


"There are certain whites that care more about white people than blacks. So they percieve something as small and insignificant as affrimative action as something big, terrifying and threatening to everything they hold dear."
There are certain blacks that care more about black people than whites. So they percieve something as something big, terrifying and threatening as institutionalised racism as small and insignificant.

If you haven't noticed, you are the one being racist not me, you don't even have definitive proof of whether I am white or not and you are claiming I'm white lol... I'm not white!! I support affirmative action if the instances of discrimination are proven in a court of law. Judging people by race is not the way to end racism.


""This isn't a universal law which all whites follow."

Well, obviously not all whites. Just the ones with power."
Oh my god, how can you just stand here and tolerate this sickenning racism and crimes against humanity.

Name these criminals and bring them to justice immediately.

K go!

"Making excuses to avoid objective criticism is wrong."

Your assumption that the criticism is objective is wrong. Here's why the criticism is not objective:

"Yes. I think it was wrong back then against blacks, and it's wrong today against whites and asians. We need equality, and not some kind of retaliation."

This isn't what I'm asking you and isn't about Asians (More on that later). I'm asking you if the plight and strife of the white minority is more important than the strife and plight of the black majority. It's a "Y/N?" question. From what I'm seeing your answer is 'Yes', so that makes you a racist and therefore completely unable to express "objective criticisms".

"Oh my god, how can you just stand here and tolerate this sickenning racism and crimes against humanity. Name these criminals and bring them to justice immediately."

This is where "Google: Jim Crow" comes in. There is no "bringing to justice" a sentiment that has been culturally re-enforced for hundreds of years. There can only be incremental justice-serving victories from here on out. Dismantling white privelege and a white power base isn't as easy as pointing a finger to one guy and it all magically disappearing. It's a flaw of white society, a flaw inherant with wanton and careless colonizers.

That's why there affrimative action; it levels the playing field. I'm sorry if you're having a hard time understanding this but: Whites have it easier socially and cultural in this country than any other race, including asains. Using the few (like 2) Japanese venture capitalist as indictor that "Everything is honkey dorey" is a poor tactic especially in light of Katrina and the fact that the best I've seen from the poor asian community is the ownership of Liquor stores and Nail salons.

"You keep saying that, but i fail to see what's the problem, and how whites are perpetuating it. But i'm listening, so care to elaborate? Logical deductions please."

Take a look in the mirror. Which race do you care about more? Whites or Blacks?