Christians hate atheists for their freedom?

It makes sense if you think about it.  Christians have this all-powerful authoritarian figure telling them how to live out their lives.  Not only do you get punished horribly for stepping out of line, but this authoritarian is omni-present and will always catch you.  There is literally no freedom to do anything.  The most amazing thing is they don't realize this, or don't admit it.  This God does a better job than Big Brother could ever possibly dream.  But deep down in their hearts, they know they are being watched and controlled and it makes them angry to see those of us who are free.  Thus, they lash out at us.  Please do no fault them for it though, imagine how quickly you would become like that if you knew there was someone watching and condeming you every time you masturbate.

I think we should help our christian brethren escape this oppressive fascist called God.

>>58 Stop using "faggot" as a pejorative. It is so unneccesary.

>>59
I doubt you will get 4chan to stop saying faggot. Try it in places where people actually have hate behind it, most people here just like the way it sounds.

Or something, thats what 4chan says.

>>44 speaking
On topic: When I came to believe that God doesn't influence the world, he just watches it, I didn't feel "freer". It was kind of bleak to think about, but mostly it didn't change my life. So, I really doubt that Christians "hate your freedom". That's a little ridiculous. When I was a good little Lutheran boy (not), my pastor said that athiests were just missing out. She didn't hate them or their freedom. This has pretty much been the viewpoint of every Christian I've ever asked.
This aside even, the OP still made tons of factual errrors:

>>1 Not only do you get punished horribly for stepping out of line
Completely false. This varies incredibly between denominations, and its one of the biggest dividing factors. Catholicism, and more specifically, Roman Catholicism, is really the only major Christian denomination that believes in "punishment" for sins. This usually consists of confessing them, and if that's not enough, sometimes you have to pray. The "horrible punishments" like public humiliation have pretty much since been abolished. Jehova's witnesses and a few others still do it sometimes, but that's a very small minority and by no means an accurate representation of a "Christian" belief.

"There is literally no freedom to do anything"

Completely baseless hogwash that is so untrue that I literally could not even begin to point out how wrong you are.

"they know they are being watched and controlled and it makes them angry to see those of us who are free"
Again, baseless drivel. I'm so glad you know the opinion of roughly 2 billion people, you must be proud.

"Thus, they lash out at us."
More nonsense. Any Christians that lash out at athiests are extremists and very much in the minority. Just because they yell loudest doesn't mean the rest of their religion backs them. Same applies to Muslim extremists.

"if you knew there was someone watching and condeming you every time you masturbate."
Again, Christians that are against masturbation are very much in the minority. I think its kind of hot that someones watching, don't you? Maybe God will lead me to the right picture to cum to :D

"I think we should help our christian brethren escape this oppressive fascist called God."
Fascism
a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

Who's fascist here? I'll give you a hint: you.

>>59
Faggot.

the people that go to church here are over 60 or farmers, or both
the devil's in the cities, education too

>>62 let it go you ignorat prick

Whatever. There will never be resolution to any conflict between atheists and christians. Christianity fundamentally rejects atheism and atheism fundamentally rejects Christianity. No point in trying to make the other side see it your way. It just won't happen.

>>61
beliefs mean nothing. If you cannot test somthing to verify it, you assume it is not true. there is no rational reason to think god exists. morals are relative to the society they are in.

his name is nietzsche you should read moar and think moar while assuming less. 

^Exactly.

The more we dissect reality - we're down to colliding atoms at near-light speed and looking at quarks doing the foxtrot for Tiamat's sake - the more we realize that if god existed, it wouldn't even have a hiding place. We can weigh a bacteria and measure any kind of wave, particle, force and spin but somehow god works on our lives despite not have a medium to do so? Mmmhm!

Not all Christians hate athiests. A lot of Christians just like what Jesus taught and believe that there is a God. In fact, most Christians I know are just a free with themselves as athiests are. Even the Roman Catholics I know don't hate hate athiests- as was said earlier in this thread, they "pity" them. However there are some Christian's I've met who hate everyone who's not their exact flavor of Christian. Most of these people were uneducated or almost horrifyingly misinformed. So please don't lump all Christians into one big group because you'll never find something they all agree on.

Also, talking about how much Christians hate athiests and how they "lash out at you" reminds me of my old Catholic School days. We'd spend every day in Religion class and be told how horribly martyred and discriminated against Christians are. Lol.

You want a real religion check out deism.  I don't mind other religions it's when they get all up in my face with sacreligious bullshit that I hate.  DON'T TELL ME WHAT JESUS DID GW BUSH IS DOING THAT ALREADY, JUST LEAVE ME TO MY RELIGION AND I'LL LEAVE YOU TO YOURS.

All I wanted to say.  Flame me all you want I just love saying that in public/anonymous places where I can

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keeptexasmoving.com

nascocorridor.com   under trans texas, etc....

>>7
>They seem to think religion is a personal matter, and is the business of an individual alone.

When your personal beliefs motivate your public beliefs, you have to be a class act douchebag to say they're the business of an individual alone.
It is an impossibility to consider religion a personal belief when you vote for people and laws that would otherwise restrict other people from keeping them. When you have public places of prayer. Also, if you feel the need to drag your children into it.

When you religion makes you feel the need to alter the world in any way that reflects that religion, your belief is no longer personal.

I'm an athiest and I let it be known that all religion should be fucking outlawed. It's a personal belief, but if I'm going to draw actions upon that belief your going to need to understand the reason I come to those conclusions or actions.

>>66
"beliefs mean nothing. If you cannot test somthing to verify it, you assume it is not true. there is no rational reason to think god exists. morals are relative to the society they are in.

his name is nietzsche you should read moar and think moar while assuming less. "

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Did you even fucking read my posts?? "basically, i believe in a higher power, but i dont let it influence my life pretty much at all. god is a scientist, science ftw, religion doesnt determine what i think in right and wrong, etc." Stop generalizing me as a faithfagot and learn to respect others beliefs. Stop trying to convert me to atheism, I believe in God and the only person who can convince me otherwise is myself.

Atheists who obsess over nietzsche are almost as arrogant as he is. Nietzsche essentially created his own godless religion and now emos enjoy sucking his long dead dick. Maybe you should "read moar and think moar" and realise he might not be a super genius who solved every problem.

I dont believe in Nietzsche, Therefore he doesnt exist.

At least Nietzsche was proven to exist, as opposed to an omnipotent ghost.

>>75
>>76
Most of the stuff Nietzsche came up with is unproven.

>>76
How is it proven?

http://www.wii-files.com/news/wii-media/zelda-twilight-princess-ultimate-trailer.html  Well, well, well. Guess a whole bunch of Republicans knew that Foley had his fingers in an illegal cookie jar as early as 2005. I wouldn't be so upset if it wasn't for the fact that they lambast homosexuals for being pedophiles and blaming the seculieberals for hurting the moral fiber of the nation or some shit. Party of values and principles my ass. No fucking wonder I am a left-of-center democrat.

>>79
He was trying to instill those boys with the spirit of good values, it just happened to be imbued in his semen.

>>73
wow, you understand that there is no reason to believe in god, and you still do. congratulations on your ignorance.

>>79
Being a FAGGOT isn't immoral, the republicans are just wrong about that. You liberals really are machiavellian geniuses, but I can see right through it thanks to George Orwell pointing out the existence and nature of doublespeak mindfuck crimethink.

You are attempting to mix up 2 things.
1: The idea of morality.
2: An example of where republican moral values are incorrect.

Spoiler: People get things wrong, this is because they are wrong. If you make a mistake when calculating something using the equation E=MC^2, it doesn't mean E=MC^2 is invalid it means you made a mistake. If you can't make this distinction admit this so everyone knows you are stupid.

With this distinction in mind it is obvious that the conservatives were not applying morality, but misapplying it, which is why they are wrong.

Liberals have a moral code which consists of equality etc etc.. They just don't say that it is a moral code because they enjoy re-naming old definitions and passing them off as their own so they can claim the credit.

Being a FAGGOT  is not immoral.
Being a pedophile is immoral.

I don't give a fuck what the republicans think and how much they wipe their ass with the idea of morality, morality as a concept of necessity is still valid.

>>81 wow, you understand that there is no reason to believe in god, and you still do. congratulations on your ignorance.


Just shut the fuck up, okay? You'll be doing the world a favor. No tangible proof =/= no reason, idiot. I have a lot of reasons why I believe in God, but I am not about to try and argue that, because that is the fucking stupidest thing to argue. Learn to respect other people's beliefs and opinions and you won't come off as such an arrogant asshole.

>>83
well what are your reasons then

>>84
"but I am not about to try and argue that, because that is the fucking stupidest thing to argue."

>>85
So you believe in god because you think needing a reason to believe in something is a stupid thing to argue?

God is a dickhead.

>>83 "No tangible proof"
HOLY SHIT

>>83 "I have a lot of reasons why I believe in God, but I am not about to try and argue that(because my reasons are too stupid to post here)"

WE WIN

>>82
Being a FAGGOT  is not immoral.
Being a pedophile is immoral.

thanks, morals relative to the society they exist in. no +/- is assigned to actions. it is all a matter of people's individual perspectives.

>>86
>>88
No. Gross assumptions and putting words in my mouth does not make you win. I think arguing gods existence is a fucking stupid thing to argue. you believe what you believe, i believe what i believe no one is going to change their opinion. i respect atheism, why cant you respect my beliefs instead of acting like you are superior?

If you really want to know so bad, I believe in a higher power because
1. I think in order for the universe to be created, there must be a constant. something outside the laws of physics and space and time which could in turn create the universe via big bang.
2. Humanity, conscious thought, and life in general is too significant and phenomenal to just be a random occurance (note that I believe in evolution, I believe god created evolution and either had the foresight to set it up so these phenomena would occur or slightly influenced it a certain points to make these happen)

Again, this is stupid to argue. This is my opinion, you won't be able to change it, and I won't be able to change yours. We will never find any tangible proof of a higher power, and we will never prove that there isnt one. In the mean time, why don't we respect what people believe and stop trying to convert one another.

>>90 Matter can be created out of vacuum if the pressure is high enough. Go back to sunday school and stay there. As for human life, complex organs like eyes have been shown to come to existence quite quickly in a non-controlled environment. Look up Dawkins at wikiquote, and feel the burn. We'll agree to disagree is your closing statement. How adorably blunt. This isn't over - I will work every day to push irrational things like religion out of the human psyche. It is a mental virus.

>>91
"Matter can be created out of vacuum if the pressure is high enough."
lol wtf??

Note for fundamentalists: This man doesn't represent science.

>>89
SHUT THE FUCK UP STUPID ASSHOLE

BEING A FAGGOT DOESN'T CAUSE SUFFERRING, RAPING A CHILD DOES, IF ANYONE THINKS OTHERWISE IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT MORALS IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE FUCKING CRAZY

>>92 Do you have a counterclaim or are you just knee-jerking because you've never heard this before?

>>94
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/vacuum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pressure

>>95 Um, the first one says there is no total vacuum; there is no such thing as nothing. The second... I won't say I understand physics to an adequate degree for understanding the article, but I would like if you could pinpoint how these articles rape my claim.

>>95 Give up argueing with the atheists here, they are clearly superior in their mental capacity. Sunday school must be draining all the capacity for complex thought from your brain. Religion is an useless moral code that society no longer needs. Now its nothing more than a bad way to waste a sunday morning.

>>96
>>97
Holy fuck you people are stupid.

>>96
>>97
Serious this is why I hate other atheists, you think anyone who disagrees with you is a fundy, just like religious assholes think anyone who disagrees with them is worshipping stan or whatever. Why don't you take your zarathustra bible, fuck off and go suck some dick.

fucking idiots..

>>Xel, post 2 sentences explaining how vacuum-->matter. no external links, all we want is a fucking clue.

>>90
1. I think in order for the universe to be created, there must be a constant. something outside the laws of physics and space and time which could in turn create the universe via big bang.
- WHY do you think this? What evidence supports this HYPOTHESIS?

2. Humanity, conscious thought, and life in general is too significant and phenomenal to just be a random occurance (note that I believe in evolution, I believe god created evolution and either had the foresight to set it up so these phenomena would occur or slightly influenced it a certain points to make these happen)
- theres "I believe" again. WHY do you think this? What evidence supports this HYPOTHESIS?

www.whywontgodhealamputees.com

Thread ends here.

>>101

No. That's just immature and silly.

Arguing over if God exists or why someone thinks they do or not exist is like arguing over which comic book universe is better (or why one thinks their comic book universe exists).

Why don't you guys just fap and get it over with? Why do you have include the rest of us in your masturbatory escapades? You guys are circle jerkin' around and nothing's getting done; planet is still dying, kids are still getting raped, the wars of tommorrow looking more and more final for all humankind. And you guys instead; having chosen to stand around playing with your genitals.

What a fucking waste all of you are.

have* not "having"  `noyt

LOL you guys actually beleieve a god exists? Obviously that shit was made up to scare the shit out of you, just like Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. Its time to grow up :D

>>101
If god solved all our problems, there would be no tests of character to see if we deserve to go to heaven.

I'm not actually a theist I just thought I'd say lol.

Thread begins anew.

If god is all-powerful but does nothing, he is impotent.

>>106
But he has done something, he created the universe.

>>106
It rather, god doesn't have gender.

>>107 No, it created itself. It could and it did. Also, if you are right (you are not) all god did was lay down the gridwork. We don't owe it anything but belief in this act (13.7 billion years ago) and that is that. Assuming it created the universe. It didn't. The bible is irrelevant. There is no medium through which it can conceivably act on materia anyhow. Maybe god is gravity or Plack's constant, it sure as fuck is not a singular, conscious entity.

>>109
Arguing over if God exists or why someone thinks they do or not exist is like arguing over which comic book universe is better (or why one thinks their comic book universe exists).

Why don't you guys just fap and get it over with? Why do you have include the rest of us in your masturbatory escapades? You guys are circle jerkin' around and nothing's getting done; planet is still dying, kids are still getting raped, the wars of tommorrow looking more and more final for all humankind. And you guys instead; having chosen to stand around playing with your genitals.

What a fucking waste all of you are.

>>109
I lied, I don't believe in god. I assumes god doesn't exist due to the lack of evidence. I'm contending you because you are an idealistic atheist who spouts catchprases instead of actually botherring to think about the subject of existence.
>>110 Is right sort of. A more logical definition would be simply that crazy religious people are extremists and will not listen to reason, decent religious people know that there is little or not evidence of god, but live by the illogical dogma because so much of their personality depends on it. You aren't going to change these people with rational debate, so just state the facts and go off and do something else.

http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/

I'll stand by that site as it is rational, and not a petty child's arguement. You guys should really check it out.
<sacasm>
Now if you'll excuse, I'm missing out on much gential playing/fapping/masturbating to do.
</sarcasm>

Cheers,

~Kumori

Holy fuck, why does everyone deal in fucking extreemes. There is no hard proof that god does exist, but there is no hard proof that he/she/it does not exist. Why can't you all stop this useless bitching and let the thread die?

Hey, there is no evidence that there is no god, so why not be agnostic? Oh yes, atheists are just as dogamtic and ostensible as religious people! Weeeell, there is no real evidence against fairies, is there? Have we disproven the existence of fairies? Do we really have to care, isn't it easier to live as if fairies are non-existstent because we have better things to do? No, because then we are dogmatic and then we are not showing respect to people who believe in fairies. Got it.

thread over!

>>91
"Matter can be created out of vacuum if the pressure is high enough. Go back to sunday school and stay there. As for human life, complex organs like eyes have been shown to come to existence quite quickly in a non-controlled environment. Look up Dawkins at wikiquote, and feel the burn. We'll agree to disagree is your closing statement. How adorably blunt. This isn't over - I will work every day to push irrational things like religion out of the human psyche. It is a mental virus."

Can you even fucking read?! I believe in science, I believe in evolution, I just believe that there is a god behind it all. Until science can come up with definitive proof that there is no higher power, I will believe in one. I used to have respect for you Xel, but I can't respect intolerance, and I can't respect self-righteous assholes trying to push their beliefs on other (converting).

>>109
"No, it created itself. It could and it did. Also, if you are right (you are not) all god did was lay down the gridwork. We don't owe it anything but belief in this act (13.7 billion years ago) and that is that. Assuming it created the universe. It didn't. The bible is irrelevant. There is no medium through which it can conceivably act on materia anyhow. Maybe god is gravity or Plack's constant, it sure as fuck is not a singular, conscious entity."

More condescending bullshit, more baseless assertions. For one thing,  something that can create the fucking universe would be able to cover its tracks so people don't know it exists. It's not "sure" and it's definitely not "sure as fuck" that god doesn't exist, this is your personal belief and you are presenting it as fact like a pretentious asshole.
>>106
"If god is all-powerful but does nothing, he is impotent." Read up on Deism.

>>100
"- theres "I believe" again. WHY do you think this? What evidence supports this HYPOTHESIS" You have to believe in everything, science, god, gravity, addition, whatever. I stated my personal beliefs and I don't intend to make anyone else think like me, it is just what I think. There is no hard evidence for or against a god, so its all about what you believe.

>>99
"Serious this is why I hate other atheists, you think anyone who disagrees with you is a fundy, just like religious assholes think anyone who disagrees with them is worshipping stan or whatever. Why don't you take your zarathustra bible, fuck off and go suck some dick.

fucking idiots.."

THANK YOU, here is one person I can repsect in this thread.

>>102
"Arguing over if God exists or why someone thinks they do or not exist is like arguing over which comic book universe is better (or why one thinks their comic book universe exists)."

Right, that's what I've been saying, but people ITT somehow think god is a provable/disprovable thing. It's not and it never will be.

>>114
I am agnostic, deist/agnostic. I don't think my beliefs are the absolute truth, of course I could be wrong. Thinking there is no chance you are wrong on one of the biggest, most unanswerable question on earth is just silly. And you're using the flying spaghetti argument, and if a church of fairies pops up I will respect their beliefs. I won't agree with it but I will respect it.

Remember: Xel's countrymen frequently commit suicide as a passtime.

>>117 Any sense of happiness/contentment and/or a system of ethics that needs a supernatural (and therefore dubious) dimension for leverage is illegitimate. Christianity is not compatible with humanity unless you pluck out the good parts and throw away the rest. I don't care about the people on this thread, it's christianism that should be purged from existence.

>>118

I thought that when I was 17, as well.

Then you go first.

>>120

Huh?

>>118
humanity is not compatible with YUO
Fixed

>>121
If there is going to be a "purge" then Xel should go first. Unchristian I know, but a lot of us still don't have this turn the other cheek stuff down pat. It looks like the last time you boys started "purging" would have taught you something.

>>123 I'm talking about christianism, which is a mental virus. If you think that incrementally pushing that out of human culture is the same as purging christians then I am the least of your problems.

>>123


Oh, ok, thought you were talking about me. Listen; christians are pretty bad, but sitting here and pressing the issue when it comes to who believes in what makes you just as bad as the Christians, I don't care if you're coming in the name of science or not.

Science > Jesus ok, that is why Jesus is dead but science is still alive.

Year 0 A.D. Jesus tried to do a 4pool zergling rush against Science, but Science stacked its SCV's and defended successfully. Jesus was behind economically, and Science still had more scvs and  built marines and medics going SK terran.

Jesus tried to build lurkers but Science had scan and moved around crushing all the expansions Jesus tried to make while irradiating all the lurkers, then overran Jesus' main.

Jesus typed "gg" and bowed out. He tried to hax0r by reviving in 3 days for a rematch, but he lost when Science bunker rushed him with marines and SCV's and he was gone for good.

GGNORE NEWB CHRISTIANS

I forgot to add KEKEKEKEKE btw

>>124
  Do you really think that you can have any effect on a belief system that has shaped every aspect of Western culture for two thousand years? Go get em, tiger.
 

^--- Damn, you're right.

Now that I think about it, we shouldn't even have bothered to prove that the Earth revolved around the sun either. I mean, did that retard Galileo <i>really</i> think that he could have any effect on the belief that the Earth was the center of the Universe, a belief system that had shaped every aspect of Western Culture for 2000 years? Go get 'em, tiger.

  Who's faith was shaken by this marvelous discovery? He had an effect on the authority of the church, it did not change any one's faith in God.

>>130 Which is exactly what I prefer. Faith is one thing - believing the bible/church and their many retarded lies, litanies and subpar prose is another thing.

>>124
You sound an awful lot like those kids from Jesus Camp, on the authoritarian scale at least.

>>131 Despite our human failings, faith continues.

>>133 I have nothing against faith, because it is obviously useful for some and I probably have faith even though I can not precise its subject or define it. But faith has no intrinsic value, and faith in wrong and/or irrational and irrelevant things is sad.

>>116
in science, there are things we do not know. christianity has the answers to things science does not know, because it makes shit up. we DO NOT KNOW how the universe began. Big bang actually has evidence to support it; unlike creationism.

there is no proof god exists. there is no eveidence to support the existance of god; therefore whatever reason you have to believe in god is irrational.

quit saying that arguing cannot change the way people think. I was once a theist; then I started to question the things I was being told. Once I learned about the scientific method, I found that there was NO EVEIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE HYPOTHESIS "GOD EXISTS" ; with the scientific method, when you find no support for a hypothesis, you either 1.change the hypothesis, or 2. reject the hypothesis.

Think about this for a second. God is just a way for people to get rich. what do they do at masses? pass collection baskets to everyone. if the priest doesnt supposedly get it, then where does it go? and how does the priest support his family if he has to work at the church? all religions throughout history have just been to play with humans basic nature so some people can get rich.  

>>135
Again, I believe the Big Bang and not Creationism. I believe in Theistic Evolution. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution#Deism

No evidence =/= irrational. Irrationality means without reason, and reason can exist without evidence. I've already stated my reasons.

I never said arguing cannot change the way people think. I said arguing about the existence of god will not change the way people think. Changing your views on this happens from personal revelation and research, like what you did, and I aswell, however I went from Lutheranism to Deism), not in a heated argument where the oppostion is calling you inferior, irrational, and just plain idiotic. Again, there isn't evidence for or against God, and there probably never will be. If you think that something doens't exist until proven, well that's your belief. I mostly believe that too, with an exception here because I think God is outside of science and space and time, so we will never be able to prove its existence.

>>137
research, lol.

>>137 Well, basing your faith on the probability that god is hiding somewhere behind a Higgs-particle or in dark matter is just silly. If it exists it is running out of hiding places *and* mediums through which it can have any sway over our empirical reality. So, you should be an agnostic. At least a theoretical one. "Theistic evolution"... When will theists realize we've dissected basically everything on the planet?

Xel, quit posting with a name. comment not tripworthy. comment not nameworthy. makes you easier to flame.

There is no evidence for evolution or big bang.  Every shred of "proof" is simply a lie.  There are way too many gaps in the fossil record for there to be an accurate representation of evolution through that.  And there is no way for information to be created; genes cannot simply be "added", only modified.  And big bang is lacks any sort of proof aside from a few things that might hint it's not total bullshit.  Most scientists don't even believe in big bang anymore.

There are infinite things which can neither be proven or disproven, therefore we have no choice but to believe only in things which are proven.

>>141
Oh I see, so we don't know what happenned billions of years ago. It was neither god or the big bang.

>>142
Proof denies faith. The whole point of faith is that you can't be sure ie THERE IS NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE

>>141 Them's fighting words baby. Sauce (people of the robe who has rubbed your prostate don't count)?
>>141 "And there is no way for information to be created; genes cannot simply be "added", only modified." Anonymous please. Like capitalism, life takes the path of least resistance.  DNA was best suited for the job, so it can be found in everything from ancient bacteria to furries to human beings. Are all theists this nutty or am I having a nightmare?

>>145
DNA is slightly different from parent to offspring, if the mutation means the offspring is more likely to pass on it's genes then the mutation is added to the species as future offspring with the gene pass it throughout the species.

>>146 And that fact is diametrically opposed to my statement how? It's not like it showed up one day and then started mutating during reproduction.

>>139
"Well, basing your faith on the probability that god is hiding somewhere behind a Higgs-particle or in dark matter is just silly. If it exists it is running out of hiding places *and* mediums through which it can have any sway over our empirical reality."
That's not what I'm "basing" my beliefs on, its only part of it. I'm not saying god is hiding somewhere in the universe, I am saying it is outside of the universe. For example, if this were a 2D universe, it could've been made by a 3D god who was above and outside of it. People in the universe would only be able to look in two dimensions, therefore they would never "find" god. Likewise, in this 3D universe, god could be 4 dimensional and could've created the universe from outside of this. Or, if there are more dimensions in this universe, god is n+1 dimentions, or n+x for that matter.

 "So, you should be an agnostic. At least a theoretical one. "
ag·nos·tic
a. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
b. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
I am agnostic, I have already said this at least once before ITT. You don't seem to fit the first definition.


""Theistic evolution"... When will theists realize we've dissected basically everything on the planet?"
Again, can you even fucking read? Here is what I linked to:

"Deism is belief in a God or first cause based on reason, rather than on faith or revelation. Most Deists believe that God does not interfere with the world or create miracles. Some deists believe that a Divine Creator initiated a universe in which evolution occurred, by designing the system and the natural laws, although many deists believe that God also created life itself, before allowing it to be subject to evolution. They find it to be undignified and unwieldy for a deity to make constant adjustments rather than letting evolution elegantly adapt organisms to changing environments.

One good example of this is the recent (December 2004) conversion to deism of the former atheist philosopher Professor Antony Flew, who now argues that recent research into the origins of life supports the theory that some form of intelligence was involved. Whilst accepting subsequent Darwinian evolution, Flew argues that this cannot explain the complexities of the origins of life. He also stated that the investigation of DNA "has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce [life], that intelligence must have been involved", though he subsequently retracted this statement in an interview with Joan Bakewell for BBC Radio 4 in March 2005.

Some Deists contend that God ceased to exist after setting in motion the laws of the universe."


Up until the last sentence, that is what I believe. Now stop generalizing me as a believer in intelligent design.

>>141
way to fail high school biology

>>147
disregard that, i suck cocks

>>148 We live in 4 dimensions as well, but we see one 3-dimensional segment at any given moment. There are six left is the consensus. And when it has run out of places to hide we will drag it into the streets and beat it to death.
Okay, so a deist just needs to feel as if there is a slim possibility that daddy will show up one day and kiss it good? Well, okay. As long as you're not a member of some family-first organization I have nothing to complain about. I'm still happy about this though http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/living/religion/15682280.htm

I have a friend that is christian, and my parents are devout christians. I used to be a christian.
I'm now Agnostic. Having god shoved down your throat every day sucks. I also read many articles when I was a christian about the nonexistance of god. I then realized just how much the christian religion/bible is based on stories. Thats all they are. No one can prove or disprove god, So I decided to become Agnostic. My life really opened up when I broke free from Christianity. Neat things happened. Pushing any religion on anyone, especially someone you don't know is bad.

>>151
 
Xel, just shut the fuck up. You're seventeen. You're too young and too stupid to have a dual belief right now. You lack the clarity that comes with experience. There are plenty of old men who once felt like you and have changed their stance completely...and with good reason.

The idea of you, a child, coming at anyone as an expert on anything remotely metaphysical is so funny that I fudged your mom's panties, which I wore at her request. (Hey: It happened!)

You're a clever brat, but sometimes you come off like Paris Hilton trying to explain why she deserves the nobel peace prize.

Jesus Christ was like Elvis. When he came about, everyone loved him, cause of his swinging hips and ways of saying stuff.
Everyone loved him, except husbands and people who hated queer people.

And just like Jesus, when he died, everyone mourned for him. Just like the news about the death of Elvis. Some sick bitches can't forget about him, because he was so different, so new that they kept believing in something dead. Like singing or listening to his songs, either case, love songs or hymns. They believed in him so much some decided to believe in other stuff like aliens bring Elvis back to life. Some people believe the blood of Jesus lives amongst us today too. Some totally discard both ideas, because that was back then and can never be now. Like the 80's, that can never be anymore and should be respected as a period of time.

Now all you Christians, Muslims, and whatever religion should go listen to Elvis as the far superior King of Rock, and fuck yourselves cause he's dead.

>>148 I believe we do not need the notion of a superdimensional intelligence ever having acted upon ours. It is a possibility but we should concern ourselves with our reality and dismiss others as intellectual and emotional weaklings. Also, the complexity of life is impossible to quantify as too complex to have accumulated without arbitage. This is speculation.
>>155 Good old agism and failed attempts at troll. My belief is not dual either - I accept the possibility of an arbitrary intelligence acting on my world, but I do not think the notion should be entertained or respected. We do not need to act or think with the notion in mind because there are too many degrees. The very idea that humans need this sort of idea to operate and feel safe is an insult.

>>157
Summary: Xel is a pseudo new-age, dogmatic, humanist.

>>158 I prefer sceptic, reality-based agnostic libertarian with innovist and communitarian preferences, valuing non-financial freedoms over financial ones. Randomly throwing a bunch of monikers you freedom-fighter wannabes consider 'uncool' is not effective.