Iran enriching Uranium.

http//news.yahoo.com/...

Why isn't Bush doing anything. He attacked Iraq with less evidence and while the UN inspectors were given access. Now Iran has blocked the inspections and the leader has claimed to have enriched uranium. And he called Kerry a flip flopper.

>>40
Urm, they choose to pose a threat, we don't beat the shit out of them for the hell of it. We learned from the mistakes of wolrld war 1 and leading up to world war 2 and how what we did to Germany pissed them off and how we ignored them when they were arming themselves to the teeth.

Lesson 1: Don't terrorise civilians for not opposing their government, agreeing to shoot at americans because you have been mislead IS not a crime. It sounds insane to say this, but the alternative is punishing them for a war they could not stop. Shoot back, just don't shoot at them.

Lesson 2: Don't bend over and accept a cock like a frenchman (the cock just happens to be their national animal) when someone starts fucking with anyone. If an iraqi soldier fires his AK in the general direction of Kuwait, ship over 350 m1a1 abrams and 20 squadrons of helicopter gunships and make it clear that you will kick ass at the slightest provocation.

>>36
the first and rather educated perspective.

>>29
well i reckon you should become an american :) you ignorant wannabe-american cunt. did i incorporate race into any of the discussion? no. are you then implying "all-american-ness" is exclusive to the Caucasian americans? you idiot. you deserve to be an american and please do not hesitate to apply for a green card and join the rest of their freedom movement. it appears that they will be needing a hand in conquering the rest of the world. regarding the cold war, am i wrong to say that's over?  then why hold onto the nukes? weapons of mass destruction? c'on, wasn't that the excuse to invade iraq? and dont tell me that they are evil-doers and not allowed to have weapons. out of the history of the world, it is america whom dropped the first atom bomb and swiftly followed up with another. you see any1 else dropping a-bombs on cities? no. it is america whom supplied the weapons to the middle-east.

>>38
500 years of opperssion will leave a group of minorities in the shit for many decades to come. much like the problems of Aboriginals in australia, the little 10% of the population uses significant and sizeable amount of tax payers dollars. it is no coincident that the government would want to fix the underlying problem (poverty, lack of education etc etc) by encouraging this group of people to strive in both education and social standings through welfare. again, it achieves the initiative of improving the distribution and spectrum of recipients of tax payers dollars and raises the average spending power per capita. now if everybody can spend more money on bullshit american products, wouldn't that enforces america's own economy further and perhaps, just perhaps, speed up the process of bombing iran? righto ignorant all-american lad~

having a white's only fund or even an asian exclusive charity etc etc. you see the problem here? these people are not the bottom 10% of the population that utilises, lets say 30~35% to illustrate my point, tax dollars on crime prevention, health care etc. yes, poor whites or whatever group of ppl *should* get welfare, and they do in many other countries around the world and not been differentiated by their race or religion. not sure how it goes in america, but there are places in the world where college/uni is free and indeed health care.

addressing the freedom aspect of your wondrous, magical land of america. blacks have the freedom to form their little black-only group. and yes likewise, the whites-only group can exists quite happily in this equation. now when you throw your 2nd amendments into the mix, in my most humble opinion, that's the catalyst for more racial hatred if not inflame the situation further. again, ignorant americans just dont seem to see that. perhaps i am generalising, but hey, just giving a taste of your own medicine :) given all islamic ppl are gun toting, bomb strapping extremists, and americans can't stop stereotyping people, then my implication is such that all americans are ignorant cunts.

>>42
Nonsense, you instantly assume all humans are evil. Well let me let you into a little secret. Culture is irrelevant, ideas like honour and morality has cropped up in every culture and after every war, such ideas are technology not culture. That's just it, they are self-evident truths tha are woven into the fabric of reality. All it takes is for a person to be mentorred briefly in this knowledge for it to be passed on for life and after a person has absorbed simple idea such as assertiveness, discipline and reason they instantly decide to become conservatives. All blacks who decide to become conservatives rise above the bullshit that is the only thing left that is truly holding he black man down. Racism only bothers them when it actually happens to them and they react assertively proving they are human, not giving in to hatred and paranoia and making themselves look foolish. Irrationality slides away into silence and is replaced with a crystal clear view of the world and how to react to it to do good for yourself, your friends and your family and to improve yourself further. The things you do actually have an efect on your surroundings, you are no longer corrupted by superstition, instead of hiding in the shadows in fear, you go outside and get the answers you need. Finally you are free at last!

So what if a few blacks form their black-only groups and a few whites form white-only groups, not all humans are stupid and mislead and only in a free-speech environment where you can criticise anyone for anything and shout it out loud can there be any chance of the humans in the society remaining sane. Frankly I'd rather have crackpots like the KKK and the nation of islam as isolated groups no one takes seriously, than have a group like them running the country.

Sure, some americans are ignorant cunts, but at least you won't find yourself being executed for saying that. Maybe someday you will learn that killing and ignoring anyone who disagrees with you just isn't the way forward. That people can be evil, you can be evil and everyone in whatever group you belong to, but that people can be good aswell, that you can do good and rational aswell and maybe even your group can adopt freedom in it's list of ideals and engage in rational debate instead of childish insults.

from >>42 :
>>43, well said. perhaps profanities were not the appropriate channels to conduct this debate. rest assured that i understand that exceptions are applicable upon all societies and it is the under-educated and conservative(ignorant) members of communities that are the main driving force within, what i perceived as, the american mainstream. however, it is exactly these issues: lack of knowledge and stereotyping that the americans media and administration so often portrays. world domination seems to a very pervasive and prevalent theme.

i do not assume all people are evil. but americans, through the dominance and ignorance of their administration, have stamped their authority as the invaders and destroyer of societies while flying under the banner of freedom fighters. can you not see your ways are often seen as "evil" in many places in this world? in reality, america has the most nukes and the most chemical/bio weapons. UN should disarm america's weapons of mass destruction if you guys really want to be the frontier of true freedom.
 

>>36

I require funds.

Have you ever noticed that america helps everyone they fight. After world war 2 america rebuilt japan,so that it could become the second great civilization in the world today, and right now we are rebuilding Iraq to not suck so bad, after an attack, (though perhaps a misleaded one) to protect the world from Hajji and Habib who decided to get all bosnian and try to kill people this century.

>>46
Considerring how much they bitch about it and gloat about their success, we would have been better off committing mass genocide. I guess that's the cost of selflessness, the fact that people prefer to delude themselves into a false sense of victimization and just general craziness instead of being selfless too.

>>47
ha, an interesting idea

>>44
America needs their arsenal, because otherwise china whould kill us eventually. Dont you understand the concept of mutually assured destruction? Also we have only used it once, and then only because it was the only choice, the end of an inevitable armsrace, as human science developed nucular fission during a time of strife. America's use of the atomic bomb saved japanise lives, and even after being merciful about defeating them we still footed the bill. We should keep nukes in american hands, because noone wants a nucular haulocost. were skrewed if the balance of power tips.

>>47

Genocide is an emotive term; just like holocaust. It works people into a frenzy, but it isn't anything special from killing. It's like a politically correct signal that people should actually care that somebody died, otherwise they're just apathetic.

Lots of people on both sides died in a war in Iraq, when Iraq didn't have any weapons of mass destruction. Now, posthumously, they died for 'regime change.'

Nobody cares a damn.

Now, if they had died by 'genocide' or in a 'holocaust' then somebody would actually care.

People are pretty damn pathetic these days. They've been really screwed up by a twisted world view.

in the long run less ppl will die in iraq than before

>>50

I concur.

there just too much americanness in this thread. "in the long run, less ppl will die" what the fuck kinda argument is that?! base on the fact that you assholes disarmed their weapons of mass destruction? or after draining the country out of their natural resources?

islam extremists has nothing to do with saddam and he's already removed all other religous fanatics during his reign so there isn't much left to "kill". he is pro-arab, regardless of religion, and now, america has linked the number 1 person whom is against islamic state, religous fanaticism from power. 

we need more ppl from this forum, http://www.friendsofaljazeera.org/ to post in this thread. get a 2nd opinion in this whole rigamorole. ;)

>>53

I'm an American. I didn't support the war in Iraq. I don't know anybody who did. All the talking heads are now going after Iran and telling us how deadly Iran is. I don't support the coming war in Iran either. I don't know anybody who does. I know plenty of people that are against it. I don't know of anybody that supports the Iraq occupation either. Again, I know plenty of people against it.

The average American didn't support the war in Iraq and we don't support the war in Iran either. But, guess what, we didn't have any SAY either. The kings do what they want to. Guess what, both sides, Democrat and Republican, are the same people wearing different team colors. The democrats support Israel and middle east intervention. The Republicans support Israel and middle east intervention.

What the hell are we supposed to do? We don't run this country anymore.

hey guys, iraq is better off, they are not being killed by a despotic ruler, and their resources whitch had previously been used to build palaces now will go to the people. And they have cable tv.

>>55
 hahah omg! yes that makes it all the better :) given a choice i'd take the cable tv over a palace anyday!

sadamm killed muslim extremists. sadamm killed his enemies (ppl that tried to assinate him). perhaps his methods were boarderlining mass murder/genocide, but correct me of i'm wrong, aren't we trying to destroy muslim terrorists right now? say afgans mujahidden? please be aware that saddam fully supported russian's occupation in afghan for the reason of westernising afghanistan. not turning it into a oppressive, religous fanatic country that it is in right now.

The only reason Saddam seems so bad, is because he's just more efficient than us, and his intelligence agency was a lot better (probably due to it being mostly domestic), therefore we are just jealous of him.

>>36

You don't even know what it means to be black and have to deal with the very same stigmas you so freely whitewash entire groups of people with. You need to settle the fuck down and stop thinking so much about other races. You are one man, you are weak and there is nothing you can do to change anything around you unless you have an army and a shitload of money behind you.

Get over yourself. You don't know shit. You're just some little punk kid who eventually is going to be put into place by REALITY.

>>43
 TRUTH TOLD

Mine is the biggest dick.

In other news, it's 3 fucking percent. WHOOPDEEDOO. I don't give a fuck.

>>56 "Saddam killed his enemies"

Man then I guess Iraqi children are pretty hardcore especially all those Kurdish ones in those villages Saddam gassed, sure looked like they were just mind their own business, but now you have enlightened us, they were all secret child ninjas out to assisinate Saddam, why I guess all those Olympic atheletes Saddam's boy was torturing and the highschool girls he picked from year books to be raped and killed, they too were all super secret ninjas ready to assasinate Saddam.

Now the whole child prison thing is clear, all this time we though he only kept the kids in there to make their parents comply, boy how wrong we were, it was infact the kids that were the danger, evil murdering ninja assisns that they are! Who would have thunk it!

>>58

Dealing with stigamas? Being brown there are plenty of stigmas to go around, I just choose not to dwell on it and spend my entire life feeling that someone owes me something or wallowing in some false sense of self pitty. Instead I decided to do what I can with what I have been given and have done pretty well with that.

Where did I say I wanted to change everything around me? I have succeded in changing my own future, something many blacks seem incapable of trying, they are still waiting for someone else to do it for them, their perpetual sense of entitlement, they are still going to be waiting for their leaders or the government to lift them up while every other race passes them by.

Perhaps I don't know what it means to be black, so enlighten us are you black? I wonder if you even know the name of even one of you forebears who was a slave, but please do continue with you tales of woe and oppression.

As far as reality goes I think I am well grounded in it, it sounds like the black community is the one that needs to wake up and figure out just because some ancestor hundreds of years ago was someones slave it doesn't mean they can sit on their duff all day and cry about it.

Cause guess what in the long sordid history of this world, our ancestors have all been someone's bitch at some point in history, so if you want to ruin your life over some long dead old guy be my guest.

>>61
and i guess that's enough to warrant an invasion of iraq. why not invade china, malaysia and brunei seeing that they had a ruthless history against women and children. are you also telling me that there are no women & children casualties from all the wars initiated by the US in the history? hows about invading india seeing that certain minister's son openly shot a bar tender in cold blood for refusing  him drinks. He got away with it scot free. why not also invade indonesia also, seeing their government is murdering the papuans.

please, clean up your shitty backyard before advancing halfway across the globe to ninja loot ppl's natural resources. ignorant american cunt.

>>63

According to your argument then the world should have just let all the dictators do as they wish, Hitler should have been left alone because guess what many thousands more civilians were killed in even a single allied bombing raid than have been killed in Iraq so far. And here's another little fact Saddam killed far more civilians than are even close to having been killed in Iraq by the liberation, but in your mind its only wrong if "ignorant american cunts" do it, so who is really ignorant here?

Maybe if the other western powers would show more back bone than interest in their pocket books half these thugs masquerading as leaders would be put in line, but they know all too well that the rest of the world only cares about money and nothing else. Why look at Europe, Russia, China etc they will make deals with anyone.

And just FYI it was Europe and their meddling that started and saw the worst wars humanity has ever seen, so if the label should be applied to anyone it should be "ignorant european cunt". And even now instead of standing firm against oppression they make deals with the oppressors.

To quote an excellent WSJ peice from quite some time ago, way before 9/11 way before Bush, in fact it was utopia on earth as we knew it becuase the almighty Clinton was in power:

"The Europeans have no idea how absurd they look across the Atlantic as they defend, as if it were the highest moral principle, their right to treat with the most despicable thug regimes on the planet (Iran, Libya, Cuba). Is this the high water mark of European civilization? Is the vaunted EU so weak that it depends on this trade?"
-Wall Street Journal-Europe (editorial page), August 29 1996

Ignore em, Some European country getting nuked over another cartoon will take away some of the smug indignation and may actually make the UN act so the US won't hafta

>>62

Yes, I am Black. And that's why I know all that shit you're saying stems from immaturity and a profound misjudgement of the outside world. It's laughable that you think you can whitewash an entire group of people as having "a perpetual sense of entitlement".

Do you, yourself, have a "perpetual sense of entitlement" by virtue of the fact that you feel you are simultaneous;y "entitled" to good things in life and you "strive" towards that. So because of this you're "entitled" to unequivically judge everyone and everything around you. Maybe whites have a "perpetual sense of entitlement" which else makes them entitled to their arrogance? For everything you bring up about blacks- I could bring up about whites or any other race. It's fucking boring.

You think you're just "telling it how it is" or "making an observation" but you're not. You're just looking at the results without making any effort to acknowledge or indentify the social  mechanisms involved with the perception of race. You're acting like the Human Condition doesn't apply.

Think about this: Trying to just simply exist as a human being and everyone telling you what you should or shouldn't do (or be able to do) based solely on the color your skin. When I say everyone- I mean whites, blacks- everyone. You pick up a book and stop playing B-ball = A majority of your own race hates you. You become "learned" and chill with whites = "Hey why don't you play basketball?"

You don't seem to understand that there's a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' scenario playing out here. And you are consciously perpetuating a myth that "everything's gon be awight" when some of the hoods around me register for the local JC.

There is something seriously wrong with the entire notion of race and until we as a society are ready to sit down and see where race has benefitted us as intelligent beings- all of your notions of what entire cultures should or shouldn't be doing is entirely fucking meaningless.

>>66
Many people, such as Albert Einstein and many races such as Eskimoes have genetically larger IQs. The evil white race was given the right environment as all white people since the end of the ice age were miraculously lucky and fed by a silver spoon, it of course has nothing to do with the fact that maybe whites are intelligent and built the civilisation that gave them the ability to rule the seas. We need to make sure children are born with the right genes and the right environment, so no one has to suffer being a dumbass anymore.

Since blacks have low iqs and aren ot very succesful, they should go. If you think they should stay it must be due to illogical racist reasons since you must have some perverse desire for everyone in the future to be black at the expense of their less desirable traits. Being black myself I fully support this idea. If you imply I am not black you are a racist.

>>67
Oh, and as for environment we need pro-scientific western environments most of all, since people brought up in those conditions are the most succesful.

This fucking thread delivers. Liberally.

We were reading a magazine item about wildlife preservation in Africa, and naturally we thought about who, as usual, does that preserving.

Did Blacks create wildlife and/or environmental conservation in Africa? Nope. Whites did. In fact, one major conservation project was begun by the late White actor William Holden. Did Blacks create a medical network in Africa where doctors travel to remote Black tribal villages and distribute medicine and medical advice, free of charge? Nope. Again, Whites did that. What about birth control advice -- which Blacks refuse to follow? Again, that idea came from Whites.

What about when there is a bloody civil war in Africa, e.g. Rwanda or the Ivory Coast wars -- do Blacks anywhere in Africa work to stop those wars or aid the victims? No. Whites always step in and try to stop those wars, and try to aid the Black war victims.

When a drought strikes Africa, who trucks in water, or supplies water pumps [which are stolen by Blacks and sold] and water purification devices? Again, Whites.

The fact is that, for all the talk in Hollywood [Jewish] productions about Whites being evil oppressors, Whites collectively are the nicest, most compassionate people on Earth. In fact, that feature is the problem in the West: we are too damn nice. Immigrants? Sure, bring them in! Blacks voting [solely for leftist candidates]? Great! Mexicans becoming Congressmen [to later hinder anti-immigration bills]? All right! Humans are all the same, correct? Sure!

The oddest thing is that human beings tend to think that all other groups of people think exactly like them, until they actually meet and interact with those groups.

No other race compares to whites when it comes to being "nice." That's the truth. And, it is only because we are so nice that we allow those races to demonize whites. Dishing out some truth is just too mean for us to do. I mean, how would black people feel without their victimization from slavery? How would Jews feel without their victimization from the holocaust and the rest of their 'pity-party' religion and heritage? I mean, telling them that slavery and holocaust have absolutely nothing to do with the white race today, and that the people that HAD anything to do with those events are long dead and therefore out of scope, would absolutely cause them to self-destruct. What would be the meaning of life for them without living in a revisionist past where they can blame all of their problems on an invisible yet omnipresent white scapegoat?


Yep. Those evil White people...rotten to the core..

Iran is 10 years away from Nukes, why are people pissing their pants now when this should be the time for diplomacy?

>>67

You know you're not black, I know you're not black. Just give it up.


>>70

It's the same people posting the same shit and over and over and over. Don't you get it? It's not "nice" when you hold it over everyone's heads. It's arrogant and only supports the fact that whites are inherant cowards with a superiority complex. You're so afriad of the impending backlash for all the shit you've done you're trying to convince all non-white that you've been "the nicest race". Too bad this tactic is only working on the people it's REALLY meant to uplift: Other whites.

History doesn't lie. You can call it liberal spin or whatever...but that's just "white conservative spin". It doesn't matter because *GASP* Whites are not the future.

>>72

Sorry, I forgot that objective observation was racist. Oh, yes, I'm afraid of all the backlash and punishment I'm going to recieve for something that had absolutely nothing to do with me.  Yes, I must pay out more government money to black college funds because somebody owned slaves, and they may be like, I don't know a 100  degrees of separation related away to me, and perhaps 10000 away degrees related to you (I'm assuming you are black.) Hmm, should arabs and asians also pay out reparations? They came from Eurasian man like all non-blacks, which means they are probably about 500 degrees of separation related to people who owned slaves in america. I guess other non-whites not from africa can pay 1/5 the amount to blacks that whites do. After that, are we square?

>>73

Oh, and you can pay, I don't know, like a 1/100th to yourself, and some blacks will have to make more donations than others. After all, the percentage of free blacks that owned slaves was higher than the percentage of free whites that owned slaves during that time in the South. And what about the mixed blacks? If they are half white, does that mean they have to pay a full reparation or a partial reparation?

>>74

Also, if you had an ancestor that was a black slaveowner that owned black slaves, does that mean that you have to pay reparations or do you still get reparations? Or, if you are black and you had an ancestor that was a black slaveowner and an ancestor that was a black slave, do you recieve or pay full or partial reparations?

>>73
>>74
>>75

You guys don't seem to understand that the race issue revolving around blacks have nothing to do with slavery itself, but social, cultural and political practices of racism that served as a countinous oppression for an entire group of people who were at that point- nationalized. (Unlike illegal immigrants).

This just ended 50 years ago, guys.

Who fault is it that you see this as: "More money for them shiftless niggers." and not as it actually is: "More money for poor Americans."

With that said, reparation is an argument that used against blacks these day by other white. I know of exactly ZERO black people that are discussing getting moeny through reparations.

But if you really wanted to go deeper into it, the U.S government did promise the post-slavery black population a helping of sorts. The same kind of helping hands Japs, Jews and Vietnamese got when American felt responsible for displacing and dirupting an entire group of people.

You see: Not everything is about you and what you don't want to ply. What everything IS about, however, bettering society. Society would be ten times better than it is if you would turn all that judgmental energy into optimism and a willingness to see others succeed.

The problem with the white race is that they can't stand the idea that anyone is above them.

This is why you're going to bite off more tahan you can chew with China.

um....

poor people != black
poor people != white
rich people != black
rich people != white

whiteness and blackness are entirely separate from richness or poorness. If you are going to fight poverty, which is actually a good goal rather than the pure twisted insanity of anti-racism, you should focus on POOR people. The majority of the poor in the U.S. are white, and therefore the majority of people helped if the poor were bettered would be white.

Equality between the races is a silly idea. This sort of thing fluctuates. Besides, the races don't have to be equal in the first place. Countries don't have to be equal either.

Look, if you are so ethnocentrically focused, why don't you go to black countries and help the poor there, instead of demanding advantages over whites in white countries. There are plenty of places in the world where blacks have absolute sovereignty. They are sucky places, but that's the fault of the peoples living there. And no, don't go scapegoating that one on white people. The world does not revolve around us like blacks and jews seem to think. So, go on, go do something productive instead of looking for equality when you should be looking for enhancement.

OK GUYZ THIS TOPIX IS ABOUT IRAN NOT NIGGERS OK

>>78
Sand niggers < niggers

>>79
True.