What if it is True?

What if it IS true that black people are actually inferior?  What if all the scientists of the western world proved to within 80 decimal places that negroids were basically incapable of forming an organized, lasting society on their own, let alone live in the modern world without causing too many problems.  What should we do?

What if it IS true that black people are actually inferior?

Judging by what?

>>2
History, genetics, crime figures and demographics.

>>3
History, crime figures, and demographics (like?) are probably more products of culture and societal conditions.

As for genetics? That's up for debate. What does it mean to be inferior genetically?

While their bodies are more able, their brains are sadly lacking. They are the missing link between apes and humans.

>>4
They are based on fact.
When a civilisation is destroyed it leaves traces of it's existence, like the Inca civilisation. Civilisations like these should have spread across Africa as they did in the rest of the world and prosperred more so than the Aztecs and Incas due to their proximity to mediteranean and middle eastern civilisation. Any societies built in Africa pale in comparison to the rest of the world, even compared to other civilisations 1000s of years before or with very low technology and in similiar environments (Aztecs).

Black people are more likely to commit nearly all crimes that do not require intelligence. This is not due to poverty since nearly everyone's parents in america immigrated in with $5 and the clothes on their back. This is not due to racism since the civil rights movement succeeded in 1965 and the racist policy of affirmative action forces universities to admit black students in place of meritious white students. If anything whites are the victims now.

Demographics consistently show negro ethnic groups to have the lowest IQs and qualification rates on the planet. A university degree class qualification in Nigeria is equivalent to a college course in the UK. Social commentary on work ethic across the globe from many sources, even afrocentric and maoist sources, always claim black workers are, and i am sorry if this is blunt, lazy.
http://husky1.stmarys.ca/~hmillar/wrkethic1.htm
Nearly every peasant population on the planet was abused by the rich and powerful one time or another, as liberty and idealism spread across the globe these populations recoverred and developped the various work ethics we see in non-negroid ex-slaves across the globe. However negroid ex-slaves only recover with extensive investment, suggesting their lack of development and willpower as seen through history and crime rates is a result of a natural tendancy.

"What does it mean to be inferior genetically?"
In evolutionary biology it means to have traits which do not allow you the same abilities as another individual, thus making it less likely for you to survive and reproduce. In anthropology however, being sentient, surviving and reproducing is not enough. Intelligence is the major ability in humans and the many abilities that it allows, along with general health and physical capability.

There is no genetic basis for this argument.

>>6
You and I must live in different countries. Racism is extremely prevalent here in America.

>>1, >>5 and >>6:

All of this was argued in the race thread and you guys lost. Deal with it, or at the very least keep it one thread. I'll even bump the original race thread.

There's a difference between niggers and regular black people.
Niggers are inferior to everyone; regular black people aren't.

... listen here, this isn't a fact based thread.  It's a hypothetical thread.  What if black people were always going to be po-ass robbing raping assholes who could do nothing well except reproduce if left to their own devices.

What SHOULD WE DO.  This isn't a thread for your moral outrage about how someone can believe there is a difference, this is a  thread for your moral outrage over what white people think would be justified.

Should we: Kill them, prevent them from reproducing, heap tons of money and resources upon them so that they don't need to steal etc.. anymore, genetically modify them to be more like whitey, etc... etc... etc...

>>6
The link you provided didn't support your argument, it went against it.

>>10
Hypothetically speaking, if they are inferior, nothing at all needs to be done.

>>12
Especially not supporting them.

>>13

Which you don't do anyway (not as much as you THINK you do) so there's nothing to worry about anyway.

>>8
You are inferior to even niggers.

I'm 3 and 6 and I don't think I have been defeated in debate. There is proven genetic evidence which seperates races. Hand any consultant forensic scientist a mouth swab and he/she can tell you if it is a negro, caucasian or a mongoloid, by looking at racial markers in haplotypes that exist in the Y chromosone passed from male to male each generation. These haplotypes are representative of mutations across the entire genome and prove that race has a genetic basis.

I am not white in case you are wonderring, both my parents are from Bangladesh which consists of the eastern most caucasians on the planet. How should we react to the facts I have just stated and my opponents have refused to engage? There are negro pilots and professors, they possess mutations that allow them to match other races in intelligence and they prove that not all negros are stupid and incapable. We should not discriminate against negroes, but we should oppose liberals and the like who hate the facts I have just shown and refuse to address them. We should also oppose racists who wish to use these facts to push for stupid evil ideas. What we should not do is ignore the facts. Eugenics in the end is the answer.

I hope I get a few truth got tolds..

:3

>>16
You a racists for saying that

>>16
How should we react to the facts I have just stated and my opponents have refused to engage?

Ignore them. And call anyone that states them a racist.

Why is this the case you ask? Ask the Jews. They started WWII to further their causes, by disallowing racial research, so we can not duplicate their banking genes.

Man, those Jews sure are sneaky. Actually, I'm not sure WWII actually happened, they might have made it up.

>>16
>>17
>>18

You guys live in this isolated little world where the only opposition to your asisine arguement is: "That's racist!". Meanwhile, the race thread addressed haplotypes, the very notion of "genetic intelligence", how eugenics inhertantly requires totalitarianism and facsism as a rule.

Mountains upon mountians of information was presented to you and you guys could barely debate against it. I've come to the conclusion that your lives are very empty; and clinging on to these immoral, unproductive, retrogressive forms of thought somehow gives you the power live on in light of the fact that you lack fundamental human ethics and more importantly, enough "genetic intelligence" to realize how ignorant you are.

>>19
Move to negro country you retard. I prefer not to hang out with people who AXE each other questions.

>>20

............What does that even mean?

....you don't know, do you?

>>21
It means if you want to ignore the obvious retardation of the nigger culture, fine. But don't drag us normal intelligent white people down with you.

>>22 Pathetic.

>>19
Oh yeah, let's pull open the dictionary and confuse the stupid niggers with some big words, shall we?

The first sign of losing the argument.

By the way, you are welcome to present your arguments again, 700 posts is a bit much to read. The more concise the better.

>>23
Nigger lover failure because his own culture rejected him.

>>24


No thanks, that would be a waste of time. The IQ and age possessed by the opposition is far too low to consider any further debate in this matter. There are some people who simply can't be convinced of their ignorance.

>>24

Also, what "big words", what makes you think I'm using them to "confuse the stupid niggers"? I think you may have confused me for the white supremacist on these boards.

>>19
They weren't facts, you kept on asking impossible questions like

"SHOW ME THE GENE WHICH CONTROLS INTELLIGENCE!"

and when we replied and re-iterated our argument

"There is no 1 gene that controls intelligence, but there are genetic differences between races contrary to what you've claimed and there is a multitude of sources which show that there is a difference between the intelligence of different races. Various ethnic groups do better and worse than whites in school, crime rates for negroes are always higher, there is little archaelogical evidence of civilisation in Afgrica despite their access to the same technology as the arabs and mediteraneans etc etc.."

you ignored it completely

"AHAHAHA YOU CAN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION AHAHAHA"

No, I'm sorry. I don't have a team of scientists at my disposal to mouth swab 1000s of people with middle incomes, document their intelligence and ethnicity and find the 100s of genes which closely correlate to their intelligence and try to determine their effects. That is of course if your totaliberal army of censorers and race card players would let such a study take place in the first place. The genome project was just to list down the genes, not to find out what ever single one does, that is the next step of the project and it is far from complete.

The evidence I have is more than sufficient and you can no longer use your sneaky debate strategies (which I believe were intentional as you know we have a point) without looking like a dumbass.

Civilisation in Africa, was miles behind the rest of the world, even those in worse environments, in the past and those with less technology.

Black people always have the worst petty crime rates.

A penniless illiterate mexican immigrant who grew up in poverty is likely to be more intelligent than a black american. It is clear which organ his genes favour when faced with malnutrition. With this hint, maybe you can do some thinking and figure out the relationship concerning black american genes. By the looks of things black americans are not malnourished, unless there is an evil plot by whitey to force feed every black child lentils so their brains don't develop properly.

Holy fuck! http://www.world4ch.org/read/newpol/1133849156/, is that you?!

>>28

Again, all of this was covered in the race thread. My rebuttals are sitting right in the thread. I guess this time you'll be less likely to ignore them right? Should I repost my response to each one of these claims?

>>28
Shut the fuck up, bitch.  I'll be rapin' your white women for this.  A million little half-black babies to make up your new white race.  How will you like that?

>>26,30 boo-hoo, I lost the discussion, and now I'll point anyone saying I lost to a 700 post thread where it states I lost :'(

>>31 proves beyond all doubt that niggers are stupid.

>>30
The only rebuttals I saw were your dumb ass "YOURE NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ENVIRONMENT!" and "YOUR GENES ARE 98% THE SAME AS BLACK PEOPLE!" and "YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO ADMIT T HAT YOUR ANCESTORS WERE BLACK!"

This argument is two fold; one, you have to prove that intelligence can be affected by genetics of race.

Intelligence testing (especially for g) is one of the most scientifically rigid areas where new discoveries are occuring today.  Maybe you don't understand the scientific method the way you claim to, but one of the first things they do when doing a massive study is isolate factors of difference, for example; ENVIRONMENT!!! this includes: Socio-economic standing, poverty during youth, nutrition during youth ETC... ETC... ETC... and then control for it, for example, only picking black people to compare to white people when they have similar environmental factors playing into their upbringing.  They find that, after controlling for all interesting variables, they black people still have a ten to fifteen point gap with white people on average.  This doesn't mean that there aren't some black people out there smarter than almost all white people.  This is an AVERAGE.  So no pulling "We got us some rocket scientists! THIS DISPROVES ALL YOUR CLAIMS!" out of your ass. Also, it only takes a few percentage points (I don't remember exactly how much.  It was much less than seven but not more than two..) of DNA to separate us from chimps.  Certainly you don't believe that if we were to change the upbrining environment of chimps they would eventually learn to succeed in our fast paced world do you?

Second, now, this is the big one, that intelligence can have an effect on someone's outlook on life.

In britain some time in the early 1970's, scientists did a survey for about ten thousand people.  They measured such things as IQ factors, scholastic acheivment, parental divorces ETC...  Later, some other scientists went through this data looking for families which had siblings with vastly different (ten points or more) IQs.  They first factor out all variables; first, the parents can't have gotten divorced before the youngest child turned 18.  Second, the family must have had a fairly steady source of income while the children were being brought up.   The purpose of this was to factor out all the sibling pairs who would likely contaminate the survey (the point being that you make it to where your results CAN'T be explained by other circumstances).  Now, keep in mind that the people who were doing this study didn't actually COLLECT the data they were examining.  They were just reinterpreting it, looking for correlations.  They found that children who were very dull tended to have much lower standards of living later in life than their bright siblings, tended to get divorced more often, and also tended to have more out of wedlock children.  Bright children, on the other hand, went to college more often, got better jobs ETC...   if you only believe that thier environment growing up had any effect on their upbringing, you'd have no explanation for this.

Now that that's out of the way, I can talk to you about this.  I only hope you're not too ignorant to be able to consider a hypothetical, as you have been missing the point of this thread since post #2. 

What if it was proven and you couldn't deny it no matter how hard you tried?  What then? 

>>33  What if it was proven and you couldn't deny it no matter how hard you tried?  What then? 

That's what's going on here. Your question isn't actually a hypothetical.  I suspect that he's pathlogically unable to comprehend it as such.

>>31 is a troll.

96% of your genes are identical with those of a mouse.

This proves that you're a mouse.

Dumb nigger loving libs.

Holy fuck, it's that 700-post thread all over again!

What are you doing? Go there! I want 1000GET!

*sigh*

>>28, >>33

Taken from the Race Thread >>335

"Finally, you are never going to get around the race thing with your talk of haplotypes and allele frequencies. With your very arguement you operate under the false "if-then" assumption that: IF race is a surrogate for unknown genetic mechanisms, THEN observed racial differences in IQ and "achievement" can be explained by genetic differences. I just don't see how you can arrive to that conclusion with all of the blank spots in our understanding of human traits controlled by many genes in concert with environmental factors. I.E - INTELLIGENCE.

On top of all that, your "pan-ethinic" allele frequencies do not casually mean that there is a clear pattern of ethnic differences in allele freqencies alone. They definately can't be absolutely co-related to different phenotypes- don't know where you're getting the data that says that. Anyway, by definition ethnic groups are defined socially FIRST- not biologically (which comes SECOND). The whole thing is a poor effort on your part to biologically define race- but guess what? It doesn't exist. The very term "negroid" greatly over-generalizes and over-simplies a contenient of people who have the greatest number of haplotypes in the world. Different allele frequences only mean that a different parts of a continuum has been sampled.

You can't divide IQ among "racial lines" that don't exist. IQ isn't a good universal guage of intelligence. You have no proof of your ancestors IQs, but considering that we're judging them based on the modern IQ test, we know they'd fail. You have no proof that leaps in civilization required a high IQ.

Finally, you can never come at intelligence under the idea that genetics have absolute control. This is fundamentally wrong. It's always both nurture and nature. Always. So your entire argument is bunk based only on that.

>>37
And the reply to that is also in the Race thread.

>>37 Finally, you can never come at intelligence under the idea that genetics have absolute control. This is fundamentally wrong. It's always both nurture and nature. Always. So your entire argument is bunk based only on that.

Way to reiterate what I just disproved.  Did you read the second point at all?

To make it simple: even when environment is the same, there can be differences in intelligence.  And even then intelligence can predict future success.

>>37
Well if the average black american is likely to be stupider than a malnourished illiterate mexican, what does that tell you about negro dna in concert with the environment? To say genes don't affect intelligence is to claim feeding rabbits cod liver oil and sending them to some rabbit university will turn them into einsteins.

Nurture effects genetics. There is no such thing as a PURELY genetic IQ. There is no absolute genetic IQ. It doesn't exist.

Also: RESPOND TO WHAT I SAID ABOUT HAPLOTYPES.

If there's no "race" then there's no "co-relation between IQ and race". Then that means your argument = fail.

>>42
Nurture effects genetics. There is no such thing as a PURELY genetic IQ. There is no absolute genetic IQ. It doesn't exist.

Not only does it not exist, the conditions for testing such a thing as an absolute genetic IQ, doesn't exist either. 

>>37
bunk.. such an american term. replace with "dog shit" or "bullocks" right guv'nor? too right mate~

peace out y'all~ love for all.

>>42
y helo thar i guess u didn't get the "wtf absolute?" the past 500x lol

It doesn't have to be absolute, it just needs to have an influence. Do you know what a normal distribution is, and how two distributions can differ?

haha oh wow.. i didn't know there were threads this awesome here

I think i'll actual reply.. ON TOPIC

I think we should terraform a planet and move them all there, with exception for those that can function in society can stay if they wish.  They then get to live however they want in general.  I'm sure there will be some of the superior folks who will go to help educate and govern them.  We could even allow some of them to graduat to the real world too. 
My other suggestion would be an implant kind of like a shock collar on a dog.  They try to commit a crime they get a nice experience of pain.  I don't think this method would be humane though, they are still humans afterall even if they are inferior.

i don't trust niggers cause they smell

Egypt was one of the most advanced civilisations on earth at a time when europe was barely out of the stone age.

i don't trust sand niggers cause they live in sand & smell

>>48
What proof do you have they were black during that time?

Dark brown at least.

>>45

Non-absolute, absolute it doesn't make a difference. For what you're saying to be true genetics would have to have more control over intelligence than environment. It's just not like that. It's a balance.

Bad Nurture can lead to multiple generations of bad genes.

>>52
Er...  What?  Nurture changes people's genes WTF?

>>53

Is this really news to you?

>>53
Lol!!! I think it's serious!!
Since you have either forced your opponent to stoop this low or your opponent is as distant from reality as it gets, I guess this means you've won the debate. Well done.

Ok, so nigger lovers have officially failed now.

Keep your kids away from rap videos and music on tv.Its the stupidest things they say in them.I kill this guy and fuck this bitch up the ass.God.I fear that the new white generation (20 and under) are startung to like and look up to nigras.If we dont save them we will soon seem uncool and undesirable even to our own women.

>>8
>>23
Hey nigger lover, why don't you go hang out with the other nigger lovers at the nigger lover club and keep chanting "everybody who doesn't love niggers is stupid" until niggers storm your club house and steal your TV?

>>58
hahahahaha~
gnaa is listening