Jewish Israelies are racist?

As I was seeing documentary on how Israel was started and then later an interview with the leader of the Gazza settlers who are being moved, and each time I get this feeling from them that world owes them big time forever. They feel like as if everyone in the world owes them everything.

They also seem to show isolation. They don't like Arabs or Christians in their "land". They just refuse any sort of cultural/religion intergration.
 

That's not a completely bad thing--it's what's helped them keep their cultural identity intact as they've moved from place to place.

On the other hand, you're right about the hostile isolationism; the Jewish people, as a whole, seem to possess a victim mentality--although not without cause, at least in Israel's case. When you're surrounded by hostile nations who launch terrorist attacks and want to drive you into the sea, you get rather paranoid...

Israel is one of the most right-wing countires in the world. And their religion states that they are superior to other races and that it is their duty as Jews to control the gentiles on behalf of Yahweh.

The right-wing fundamentalist Israeli's are racists. Their religion is inherently racist and promotes genocide and slavery of non-jews.

>>3-4
lol resist.com

>>5
lol thebible.com

have you read it? don't, it sucks. When the jews escaped from Egypt, they went apeshit and pretty much slaughtered entire towns of canaanites, or took the virgins as slaves. God's chosen people, baby.

>>3-5

For one thing, the Canaanites had already had a history of being attacked, by the Amorites. For another matter, it was the religious practices of these people that lead to them being driven out; child sacrifices, incest and beastiality, and cultic prostitution (both male and female). Here, look this site over for some well-reasoned explanation.

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qamorite.html

...and if you want to debate some more, that's fine.

I find it hilarious the conclusions the guy draws, given that the Bible was written by the victors.

Hey, the French fuck sheep and sacrifice virgins. It's true because I say so.

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>>8
...do you see the examples of extra-biblical evidence given? These accounts, as well as the destruction of the people aren't just because the Torah, or the Jewish people, "said so". In addition, you might note that a fair portion of ancient Jewish history has "God's chosen people" falling into calamity again and again, and the reason given was because they failed to follow the Law of Moses, which they believe was given to them by God.

It doesn't always sound like the words of "victors".

Yeah, yeah. You can attribute as much political bullshit as you want to God, but that doesn't make it true.

Step back for a second, and assume that God didn't exist. What does the Bible tell you now? That you can justify anything using God's name.

The Canaanites had some unfortunate practices, but I doubt that was the real reason for their extermination. Unless, that is, the Hebrews were religious fundamentalist nutcases.

religious prostitutes FTW

>>7

Sounds just like the anti-semetic nazi propaganda i've heard. So it must mean it was okay to commit genocide and enslave their virgins.

The Hebrews practiced slavery, forced marriage, genital mutilation, ritual animal sacrifice, and genocide.

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>>14
But how does that differ from the actions of the nations around them, who did all this and even worse things? "Unfortunate practices"? Be honest, at least; the Hebrews were going into a land with brutal people. Were they less than human? Of course not. However, you can't have a double standard and try to paint them as better than they were, while trying your hardest to slander the ancient Israelites.

...and with regards to "religious fundamentalist nutcases"; please try to view the matter objectively.

it doesn't matter how "evil" you consider the original people were, they committed fucking genocide and ethnic cleansing, just like the fucking nazi's. luckily the bible is a lie and the whole exodus thing is just bullshit made up by ancient goat-herders.

>>16
No, they did not; if you read the link I posted to with an objective mind, you would see that. Did the Israelities attack and destroy the nations around them? Yes, they did. Did they deliberately attempt to eliminate all the people of those nations? No, they did not. The reason why they were commanded to destroy the nations and *drive out* the people was so that they themselves wouldn't be corrupted by their influences and worship their gods. It isn't accurate to compare them to the Nazi party, who wanted to forcefully establish the supeority of the Aryan race by eliminating those who weren't like them.

>>17, I think you need to reread >>11 and >>16 a few times.

No matter what the Bible says their reason is, they went in and exterminated a people. It is the same fucking thing as the Nazis.

by eliminating those who weren't like them.

Roffle, you are dense. Yes they did. They thought it was wrong (their standards) so they massacred the Canaanites (who weren't like them). Or, more simply, they wanted the land and decided this was a good-enough excuse.

You're a bible-thumper aren't you?

>>18

The claim the link makes is that the people were actually driven out of their lands, while the remaining inhabitants were slain.  This isn't complete genocide, just wiping out a civilization by forcing its occupants to leave or be killed.  The Romans were just as ruthless, as is any warlike nation.  In this case, the Israelites might be more merciful for giving them the choice to leave.

>>19
Your point being? If everyone else was a racial jackass, that doesn't mean Israel wasn't. They either were or they weren't. Obviously they were, all apologist wankery aside.

That said, this is far from the original topic. Whether they were or weren't racist several thousand years ago has little bearing on today. I probably have numerous ancestors who were murderers and rapists, but only my actions will determine if I am one.

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Actually killing everyone that doesn't run away was par for course in biblical times. You simply can't blame ancient cultures for barbaric customs because no one else had conceived of a more civilized alternative.

The hardcore jewish settlers belive they have a god-given right to the land, and yes, they are racists, as well as terrorists. If you think they are any better than Hamas, you are fooling yourself.

    

On the West Bank on Wednesday, a Jewish settler grabbed a gun from an Israeli guard and opened fire on Palestinian workers in an industrial area of the Shilo settlement, killing three Palestinians, Israeli police said. Two Palestinians were wounded.

The settler, from the nearby Shvut Rahel settlement, was arrested. (cnn)

>>17
Some cannanites would disagree... oh wait they killed them all.

There is no reason to destroy everyone, man woman child, in a city besides ethnic cleansing.

>>18
I am a Christian, yes.

>>22
Yes, they do believe they have a God-given right to the land. They are neither racists nor terrorists; as I explained before, they are in a state of extreme tension over the terrorist attacks of the nations on their borders, which have been a continual thing for some time now. In addition, Israel has been very gracious with regards to non-Jews living in the land.

>>23
Consider this, please; not only have there been continued terrorist attacks in your country, but now your government is being pressured to give away land to your enemies who have vowed to destroy you. I do not condone the actions of these people, but I can understand how the breaking point might be reached.

>>24

The Hebrews did not kill all the Cannanites. A great many were dispersed and assimilated into other nations. Only the culture was destroyed. I have gone over the reasoning in the past.

Can't we all just get along with everyone and live happily together?  No, it looks like we can't.

>>25
There's a difference between a Christian and a Bible-thumper. Please don't mix the two up, because you make the rest of us look like loons.

>>27
May I ask how I am doing so?

Religion is a methodolgy used by elites to control a populous.

>>28
By coming off as an apologist while pointing to the Bible. WTF do the Canaanites have to do with >>3-5? And if the Canaanites were a bunch of whoring, child-sacrificing nutcases, do you really think a bright light shone down and said to the Hebrews, "Go forth and destroy the Canaanites!"?

If the Bible says so, it must be true! Yes, it was a bright light! No, they totally didn't come up with a justification and attribute it to God! They'd never ever do something like that! What? Land? Human nature? Nah!

Man, oh, man. No wonder Atheism is growing. At least they call bullshit for what it is: bullshit. The Old Testament is majorly fucked up, and it'd take a bright light to make anyone reasonable (read: non-indoctrinated rational individual) believe much of it.

>>25
Saying all palestinians or arabs are terrorists and "the enemy" is fucking racist. Most of the people there just want to live their life without getting bombed or shot or have their fucking land and water stolen by religious nutcases and stuck in between the two extremes.

>>30
I point to the Bible because of the comments against Israel and their history, to try and correct some of the mis-assumptions that people have. No, I don't think a bright light shone on the Hebrews, and I don't think it was human nature that lead them to conquest--I think they had to be drawn into doing something they really didn't want to do in the first place; moving as a people across a desert for 40 days, complaining about the food and the water and the desire to go back to Egypt, then turning around and doing it over and over for 40 more years, all the while being attacked by the desert kingdoms around them. So, either the Hebrew ancestors were COMPLETELY insane, or there was a higher purpose behind all this.

Just...open your mind and imagine it COULD be possible, for even one moment.

>>31
I'm not saying that at all; please don't imply that. I am saying that there are a greater number of them willing to kill themselves and others than there are Israelies willing to do that to them.

The distinction everyone is failing to make (and presumably because trolling is more fun than rationality) is that it is inane to generalize about a diverse group of millions from a documentary featuring interviews with perhaps a few dozen. Selected and edited interviews, of course.

No matter what you think of Israel, or Jews, or Zionism, anyone who doesn't unconditionally admit that you can find ordinary-looking people to say any crazy thing you want to on camera if you look hard enough is... hopelessly naive.

>>32

This is world4ch.

>>32
I try to keep an open mind, but frankly the Old Testament is batshit insane. Could some of it be true? Yes, to varying degrees, but I also take everything I read with a large grain of salt, considering it was written with human hands. Human hands are flawed.

Explain to me why God is so vengeful in the Old Testament, but so mellow in the New? Why have we not seen any of his works in the world recently? Did He suddenly decide to toke up and chill?

Considering that the Western concept of God is as an omniscient, omnipotent, personal god, why change behaviour? Claiming it's due to the new covenant assumes that God didn't know about this covenant before the fact, thus he/she/it cannot be omniscient.

>>33
I am talking about the extreme right wingers. The ones who are having to be forcefully removed off of someone elses land. They believe the land is their by birthright, and that they are god's chosen people. That is inherently racist. Thinking you are better than someone else simply because of your race is what racism is all about.

>>36

It's a good question: why the seeming inconsistency in God's behavior between the Old and New Testament? For example, the plagues against the people of Egypt, the judgements against the nations on the other side of the Jordan, the alternating blessings and punishment of His own people in the land; compared to the seemingly more relaxed attitude shown in the New Testament. Yet the Bible also teaches that God's nature is unchanging--it remains consistant. Therefore, it would be more accurate to say that God's nature didn't change, but the circumstances did. There is evidence behind this, as well.

>>36
The understanding of God begins with the Bible. Through the Old and New Testaments, one of the most basic concepts stressed is that He perfect and holy (the literal meaning of the word is "to be seperate"). The Bible teaches that all people are inherently evil and will not naturally seek God and His  holiness; because of people's desire to do evil in thought and deed, they fall short of God's standard and come under judgement. Nobody can be redeemed from their evil by their own merits (good deeds outweighing the bad), but God is gracious and provides a way through Himself for people to be forgiven.

(If this seems grossly off-topic, please be patient; this is related to the Judaic mindset.)

>>39

That's the problem with Christianity.  It creates a very easy answer by saying "believe in Jesus and all sins will be forgiven."  This is a very limited viewpoint, yet there are those who don't see beyond it.  There are those who see belief as the ONLY requirement, not good deeds, morals, or behavior.  It's also interesting that the New Testament doesn't mention how Jews are supposed to be forgiven if the path to salvation is belief in Jesus Christ.  It basically damns all Jews from that perspective. 

>>38
the situation changed? it seems to me that in the new testament the jews had simply swapped the egyptian masters for the roman ones. why didnt god simply do what he did before which was, in my eyes at least, essentially killing innocent children (the firstborn of every house) for things that their forefathers were responsible for.

and as for the booming voice from the clouds, i am sure that in some point during samuel II god actually speaks to the jews and tells them to attack a large city and 'kill every last one. Men, women, childern, cattle and sheep'

>> 37

Jews aren't a race, they're a religion. The race Jews are usually associated with is Semites, which is the same race that most Palestinians would be classified as... so if they're "racist" its in the same sense that Chris Rock is racist for using the n-word I suppose?

Regardless your point is well taken, though the word you may be looking for may simply be "bigot" or "bigoted", and a person who believed that they, by nature, were superior to another person, is a bigot. Surely there *are* members of the Jewish religion who are bigots, too... but I think that if you ascribe the Zionist motivation to return to our holy places, and worship where our ancestors worshipped, to a desire to subjugate other people's... then perhaps you're the bigot. Either that or you're simply a troll; because I can't believe how someone could find it impossible to imagine that maybe the religious motivation stands on its own, and it requires no hatred of anyone in particular.

Furthermore, Jewish history is bloody, as is the history of every religion in human history that ever existed long enough to be remembered. And to the atheists who then make the claim that they aren't beholden to religion, therefore they are free to point fingers as they like, you're hopelessly naive. Every country in human history was founded by religious people, just like Israel was, so your life, education, transportation, and many other things are as beholden to that hysterical, violent, and irrational religious past, just as every American pacifist is in some way paying for bombs and depleted uranium shells currently raining down upon Iraq, through their taxes.

Yes, but in this case it's supposed to be all true.  The actions were not "based" on any religious beliefs of the past.  They literally were commanded by God, according to the Bible.  Instead of being based on a past idea or concept, this was the concept taking place in the moment.  "God was with the Jews" is what the Bible claims, and "God spoke to Moses."  So the only questions are: was it all a lie, was it all true, and if it was remotely true, was God right? 

All this "God was with the Jews" stuff can easily be applied to EVERY RACE AND/OR RELIGION IN THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

lol @ you guys pretending to know what's written in the thora, talmud, midrash etc. by throwing random bible trivia around.

BRA-VO! you have only about 600-800 more years to catch up.

>> 46

Well I suppose it's interesting to them... but if I assume correctly that you, like me, are Jewish, then I think what you really mean to say is what I also think: only a very small portion of Jews (who are an extremely small portion of the world) give a fuck about the verbatim interpretation of some books written before the founding of Rome, so the interpretation thereof is completely irrelevant to the mechanics of world politics or the lives of individuals.

Not to discourage their studies, because I'm sure it's an ennobling thing which expands their horizons and whatnot, but they might as well be reading The Old Man and the Sea and arguing about how it reveals the opaque machinations of Cubans.

Judaism is a nationalistic religion, possibly the only nationalistic religion with the exception of Japanese State Shintoism.

>>48
Are you a fucking retard? There are THOUSANDS of nationalistic religions that noone has heard of because they are not on TV every other second. Although many of these religions have been or are being replaced by Christianity/Islam/Communism/Atheism etc.

>> 48

I wonder about your definition of "nationalistic" religion.

I know a lot of Christians who refer to the United States as "God's country", and I'm pretty sure that members of the Church of Latter Day Saints believe as much also. Yet again, don't forget that Catholics actually *have* a country, which their spiritual leader is the political leader of...

Furthermore, Islamic texts make extensive mention of the need for Islamic government, and most governments in the Arab world have extensive sections of their foundational documents which cite the necessity of Islamic law.

In point of fact, I would guess that there are vastly more religious governments (as in governments that acknowledge religion and or G-d and consider these concepts to be central in their foundational documents) in the world than areligious governments. I'm pretty sure that even Sweden, that atheist's paradise, cites divine providence (that is, G-d's will) as one of the aspects of national origin.

You're simply and completely wrong. Think harder before you post.

>> 48

On further thought, I'm thinking that perhaps you meant that no other religions mention specific countries as being holy? In which case that's total bullshit too, because the Qu'ran and the Hadith both enunciate the importance of Mecca, the Christians have Israel especially Jerusalem and Bethlehem (if you think they don't care, you're simply wrong. Think about the Crusades. The reason why they don't fight over them now is because they've held them continuously through the British or Jewish custodians since Hobbes was writing. Think the characterization of custodians is inaccurate? Then why do so many Christian countries help fund the Israeli military?), the Jews have Jerusalem the Hindi have the Ganges and the Buddhists have Tibet.

Now, many of these things I've named are not nations as such, but cities, so you may think that is a clever retort. But instead think outside the narrow confines of the historical perspective you were born into, and instead with the one the authors of these religions used: thousands of years ago, Mecca or Jerusalem or Bethlehem were states in and of themselves. There were no systems of confederation linking them into larger units of political organization. Every religion I named has its own "nation" to be "nationalistic" about.

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Way to bump a five year old thread.

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>>69
I think we've uncovered a conspiracy.

OP you have seen Zionists are work. We are not against all jews, typical 'god fearing' jews pose no thread (as rabbi Weiss puts it) if we were we would be just the same as them...

Basically, as Holloway puts it these fuckers first of all blame all of the western world for the actions of one nation BUT they also blame the east? Why? Israel should have been a land in Germany they should have divided fucking Germany up not some poor country (which was so peaceful it barely had armed forces yet still had large populations from two large scale and one influential religion)... As Ahmadinejad puts it. The name Israel should be wiped of the face of the map.

>>72
So, why do you think the Arabs, who already have 98% of the land in the Middle East, who are allowed to hunt down non-moslems they suspect have entered Mecca or Medina and execute them for having infidel cooties, who have all the oil, also want the last 2%, the tiny infertile strip at the east end of the Mediterranian, which has no oil anyway?

>>73
3 main things:
- home ("This land is useless all right, but it's OURS!")
- religion ("Our land was stolen by INFIDELS!")
- scapegoatism ("Shit sucks? That's not our fault, it's ${THEM}!")

errg stupid bloody jidf =_=

took over another 3 groups on fb :(

>>1
The Jewish state of Israel is far more open to Muslims and Christians than any other country in the middle east is to Christians and Jews.

The amount of Arabs in Israel has increased massively in both Israel itself and in the disputed territories. In contrast lets look at the treatment of Jews by Arabs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jewish_population_comparisons#By_country