As I was seeing documentary on how Israel was started and then later an interview with the leader of the Gazza settlers who are being moved, and each time I get this feeling from them that world owes them big time forever. They feel like as if everyone in the world owes them everything.
They also seem to show isolation. They don't like Arabs or Christians in their "land". They just refuse any sort of cultural/religion intergration.
That's the problem with Christianity. It creates a very easy answer by saying "believe in Jesus and all sins will be forgiven." This is a very limited viewpoint, yet there are those who don't see beyond it. There are those who see belief as the ONLY requirement, not good deeds, morals, or behavior. It's also interesting that the New Testament doesn't mention how Jews are supposed to be forgiven if the path to salvation is belief in Jesus Christ. It basically damns all Jews from that perspective.
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Anonymous2005-08-20 16:29
>>38
the situation changed? it seems to me that in the new testament the jews had simply swapped the egyptian masters for the roman ones. why didnt god simply do what he did before which was, in my eyes at least, essentially killing innocent children (the firstborn of every house) for things that their forefathers were responsible for.
and as for the booming voice from the clouds, i am sure that in some point during samuel II god actually speaks to the jews and tells them to attack a large city and 'kill every last one. Men, women, childern, cattle and sheep'
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Anonymous2005-08-20 20:35
>> 37
Jews aren't a race, they're a religion. The race Jews are usually associated with is Semites, which is the same race that most Palestinians would be classified as... so if they're "racist" its in the same sense that Chris Rock is racist for using the n-word I suppose?
Regardless your point is well taken, though the word you may be looking for may simply be "bigot" or "bigoted", and a person who believed that they, by nature, were superior to another person, is a bigot. Surely there *are* members of the Jewish religion who are bigots, too... but I think that if you ascribe the Zionist motivation to return to our holy places, and worship where our ancestors worshipped, to a desire to subjugate other people's... then perhaps you're the bigot. Either that or you're simply a troll; because I can't believe how someone could find it impossible to imagine that maybe the religious motivation stands on its own, and it requires no hatred of anyone in particular.
Furthermore, Jewish history is bloody, as is the history of every religion in human history that ever existed long enough to be remembered. And to the atheists who then make the claim that they aren't beholden to religion, therefore they are free to point fingers as they like, you're hopelessly naive. Every country in human history was founded by religious people, just like Israel was, so your life, education, transportation, and many other things are as beholden to that hysterical, violent, and irrational religious past, just as every American pacifist is in some way paying for bombs and depleted uranium shells currently raining down upon Iraq, through their taxes.
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Anonymous2005-08-20 23:47
Yes, but in this case it's supposed to be all true. The actions were not "based" on any religious beliefs of the past. They literally were commanded by God, according to the Bible. Instead of being based on a past idea or concept, this was the concept taking place in the moment. "God was with the Jews" is what the Bible claims, and "God spoke to Moses." So the only questions are: was it all a lie, was it all true, and if it was remotely true, was God right?
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Anonymous2005-08-21 9:37
All this "God was with the Jews" stuff can easily be applied to EVERY RACE AND/OR RELIGION IN THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
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Anonymous2005-08-21 10:04
lol @ you guys pretending to know what's written in the thora, talmud, midrash etc. by throwing random bible trivia around.
BRA-VO! you have only about 600-800 more years to catch up.
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Anonymous2005-08-21 13:04
>> 46
Well I suppose it's interesting to them... but if I assume correctly that you, like me, are Jewish, then I think what you really mean to say is what I also think: only a very small portion of Jews (who are an extremely small portion of the world) give a fuck about the verbatim interpretation of some books written before the founding of Rome, so the interpretation thereof is completely irrelevant to the mechanics of world politics or the lives of individuals.
Not to discourage their studies, because I'm sure it's an ennobling thing which expands their horizons and whatnot, but they might as well be reading The Old Man and the Sea and arguing about how it reveals the opaque machinations of Cubans.
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Anonymous2005-08-23 1:13
Judaism is a nationalistic religion, possibly the only nationalistic religion with the exception of Japanese State Shintoism.
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Anonymous2005-08-23 11:35
>>48
Are you a fucking retard? There are THOUSANDS of nationalistic religions that noone has heard of because they are not on TV every other second. Although many of these religions have been or are being replaced by Christianity/Islam/Communism/Atheism etc.
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Anonymous2005-08-23 12:43
>> 48
I wonder about your definition of "nationalistic" religion.
I know a lot of Christians who refer to the United States as "God's country", and I'm pretty sure that members of the Church of Latter Day Saints believe as much also. Yet again, don't forget that Catholics actually *have* a country, which their spiritual leader is the political leader of...
Furthermore, Islamic texts make extensive mention of the need for Islamic government, and most governments in the Arab world have extensive sections of their foundational documents which cite the necessity of Islamic law.
In point of fact, I would guess that there are vastly more religious governments (as in governments that acknowledge religion and or G-d and consider these concepts to be central in their foundational documents) in the world than areligious governments. I'm pretty sure that even Sweden, that atheist's paradise, cites divine providence (that is, G-d's will) as one of the aspects of national origin.
You're simply and completely wrong. Think harder before you post.
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Anonymous2005-08-23 12:54
>> 48
On further thought, I'm thinking that perhaps you meant that no other religions mention specific countries as being holy? In which case that's total bullshit too, because the Qu'ran and the Hadith both enunciate the importance of Mecca, the Christians have Israel especially Jerusalem and Bethlehem (if you think they don't care, you're simply wrong. Think about the Crusades. The reason why they don't fight over them now is because they've held them continuously through the British or Jewish custodians since Hobbes was writing. Think the characterization of custodians is inaccurate? Then why do so many Christian countries help fund the Israeli military?), the Jews have Jerusalem the Hindi have the Ganges and the Buddhists have Tibet.
Now, many of these things I've named are not nations as such, but cities, so you may think that is a clever retort. But instead think outside the narrow confines of the historical perspective you were born into, and instead with the one the authors of these religions used: thousands of years ago, Mecca or Jerusalem or Bethlehem were states in and of themselves. There were no systems of confederation linking them into larger units of political organization. Every religion I named has its own "nation" to be "nationalistic" about.
OP you have seen Zionists are work. We are not against all jews, typical 'god fearing' jews pose no thread (as rabbi Weiss puts it) if we were we would be just the same as them...
Basically, as Holloway puts it these fuckers first of all blame all of the western world for the actions of one nation BUT they also blame the east? Why? Israel should have been a land in Germany they should have divided fucking Germany up not some poor country (which was so peaceful it barely had armed forces yet still had large populations from two large scale and one influential religion)... As Ahmadinejad puts it. The name Israel should be wiped of the face of the map.
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Anonymous2009-09-05 18:47
>>72
So, why do you think the Arabs, who already have 98% of the land in the Middle East, who are allowed to hunt down non-moslems they suspect have entered Mecca or Medina and execute them for having infidel cooties, who have all the oil, also want the last 2%, the tiny infertile strip at the east end of the Mediterranian, which has no oil anyway?
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Anonymous2009-09-09 18:26
>>73
3 main things:
- home ("This land is useless all right, but it's OURS!")
- religion ("Our land was stolen by INFIDELS!")
- scapegoatism ("Shit sucks? That's not our fault, it's ${THEM}!")
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Anonymous2009-09-29 22:00
errg stupid bloody jidf =_=
took over another 3 groups on fb :(
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Anonymous2009-09-30 6:29
>>1
The Jewish state of Israel is far more open to Muslims and Christians than any other country in the middle east is to Christians and Jews.
The amount of Arabs in Israel has increased massively in both Israel itself and in the disputed territories. In contrast lets look at the treatment of Jews by Arabs: