>>759
I'm not fighting you. I'm telling you why you're acting retarded. Case in point.
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Anonymous2012-01-22 3:16
>>760
If Eru is a name, than everything that follows it is a noun modifying clause.
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Anonymous2012-01-22 3:17
>>762
or more accurately, ever that 'comes before it'
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Anonymous2012-01-22 3:31
>>763
Hold on, so it's not actually a sentence, just a statement that describes Eru?
Am I understanding this correctly?
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Anonymous2012-01-22 4:20
>>764
No, its a sentence. You can understand it as "Eru, who notices the cries of someone else". You need context but 誰かの泣き声に気づくエル（だ）is a very normal example of a noun modifying clause. Usually, novels etc. will open up the sentence, for example:
誰かの泣き声に気づくエルはその声がどこから流れているのか探しに行った。
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Anonymous2012-01-22 5:43
>>765
Alright, that makes sense, thanks. I got confused because I found 誰かの泣き声に気づくエル。 on it's own, as a complete sentence, not followed by anything else, which sounds kinda weird.
Also,
>誰かの泣き声に気づくエルはその声がどこから流れているのか探しに行った。
"Eru, who noticed someone's cries, went in search of where the cries were coming from"
Is that correct? And what exactly is the function of のか? I don't think I've ever seen this before.
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Anonymous2012-01-22 14:45
>>755
there is no る after 埋め because in this sense it is not a verb. it combines with another kanji to make a noun..
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Anonymous2012-01-22 14:52
Does anybody think that 声 just looks weird due to its asymmetricality? Not saying that all kanji are symmetrical, but it just looks unbalanced.
Now that I've finished learning the kana, I was wondering if Lazy Kanji V2 + Primitive deck would work well? It's more recognizing the kanji rather than learning to write it though.
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Anonymous2012-01-22 20:10
I'm curious if there is a 日本語 media torrent pack in existence for immersion? It wouldn't be a difficult thing to put together as a ton of people learning this language are presumably interested in the same things; anime, anime music, 日本語 movies/tv, hentai, doujin, and some rom games.
>>772
hell yea nigga
亞 - simplified, unused 亜
臼
䯂 dat 34 strokes.. not really japanese..its 3 馬 and a 木
嫐 - this is, as you should be able to guess, two women surrounding a man. the only instance of its use i could find is in the title of a play about a man with two wives
So I caught wind of AJATT and now I'm using RTK instead of KD. The book explains that learning the meaning and writing of the kanji should be separated from pronunciations/compound usage, and that's cool, but I seem to have missed the part on AJATT where khatz explains where we should pick up kanji pronunciations/compound usage? Is it through immersion, separate study, what?
I've given Japanese a try about 4 or 5 times over the years, always lost motivation after a week or two though. My uni class schedule is set up so my summer break basically starts now and goes to May. I'm thinking of studying everyday and treating it like a class so I take it more seriously. Right now my idea is to go to the library every day to study there because I don't think I can stay focused at home. Think about starting at 2 hours a day and working up to 4 a day within a month or so. Is this an okay pace or will I burn out? Taught myself guitar over the past 2 years or so, makes me feel like if I can get past that initial hump where nothing makes sense and it's frustrating as fuck, I might be okay.
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Anonymous2012-01-24 20:57
>>778
Here's the thing... I've just always thought that approach is... fucking silly. When you can learn the readings (onyomi in the least) by implementing them into mnemonic stories like you would for RTK anyway...
>>780
Your burn out point is entirely dependent on you bud. We can't help you there. If you want it enough there's no such thing as burnout, only fiery passion.
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Anonymous2012-01-25 4:37
>>780
I highly recommend AJATT. Shit ton of articles, but very motivational and insightful. You're not going to "learn japanese" without the methods discussed there. Also, don't even think about classes for it. Good luck.
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Anonymous2012-01-25 13:00
Hello all!
So i`ve come across this だけで particle.
I know だけ means `ONLY`, but why is there a で particle?
Example:
私は子供が好きだから
子供たちと一緒にいるだけで十分よ。
I like kids, so, only being with them is enough(for me)?
Is it used as instrumental case?
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Anonymous2012-01-25 14:27
>>778 AJATT is pretty good as long as you don't take it as a set of steps you must take to learn Japanese (which sort of goes against the ethos of the site, but many people do it anyway), but instead as a guide towards learning your own way. It's an enjoyable read, too, if you're completely juvenile like me.
In any case, you can learn the readings of kanji by looking up words (copy/paste) in an online dictionary, which you should do for pretty much any new word you encounter, since they do not necessarily follow any strict rules for pronunciation. Eventually, you start to get a feel for how unfamiliar words are read. Just don't try to memorise long chunks of new material at the same time, and you should be fine!
My problem is that I've been following Khatzumoto's path over at AJATT, and his whole method rests on finishing the kanji quickly and then doing sentences to attain listening comprehension and speaking skills.
I think my main problem with RTK is the SRS part, not RTK itself. But there's no better way to do it, correct? Also, how can I improve my listening/speaking abilities without having to learn the kanji first, or do it while I'm teaching myself the rest of them? I'm already doing the whole immersion bit..
I just bought this scroll from a shop locally, it's supposedly a japanese antique, can anyone translate this text from it please? Thanks :) http://i41.tinypic.com/2is7dbs.jpg
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Anonymous2012-01-27 0:46
Ive started Heisig RTK, and I feel that 2000 kanji later, without knowing one pronunciation, (other than the ones i already know) i will still be helpless. Even after RTK volume 2, which just rapidly presents multiple different identical pronunciations, I feel that I will not have learned anything.
And to think that Heisig wasnt even planning on a volume two or three... seriously how could anyone actually learn with just abstract, mainly made-up-by-Heisig-himself meanings?
RTK also includes many many many different kanji that, albeit being in the joyo (general use) kanji list, are useless in common speech and writing. Here is one i just learned: 昭. Its only pronunciation is shou, and it is used in one word. shouwa. the name for the time period in which emperor shouwa or hirohito ruled. yet heisig gives its meaning as shining (which is technically correct, but you wouldnt use it)
interesting tidbit: 昭和 means shining harmony, which does not really go with world war 2.. and the creators of 昭和 were aware of this, because the name was created after world war 2.
Ive read somewhere that the Heisig method is not even recommended by college professors... i am willing to go through with this if someone from lang would tell me if its worth it..
Kanjidamage seems promising with its "usefulness approach" but i dont really enjoy just having multiple onyomis, kunyomis, definitions, and examples thrown at me.
Its basically just a dictionary organized by usefulness.
>>789
I looked up the characters I could read on Google - couldn't find anything useful. It's certainly not modern Japanese.
>>790
I didn't do this "Heisig method" of learning kanji, but I did review it, so I can explain how this works. NONE of the keywords are useful for learning Japanese. You learn kanji IN ENGLISH, and they all get a unique English word. The idea is that you can then go into learning Japanese with same advantage that Chinese students who already know how to write characters do.
Volume 2 is a waste of your time, and you should be able to figure out how to write any other kanji you encounter without doing Volume 3.
You're being completely OCD about this.
>>793 there's nothing special about だけ + で together. You're being OCD too.