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Animation Appreciation Thread #20

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-06 16:51

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Name: Anonymous 2013-11-29 4:49

>>278

Nah, in terms of animation, fumoffu takes that cake.

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-29 5:02

Fuck my life
I need to see that SHIT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqkkEANmZKQ

But no time

I have to finish 2199 yet...

Damnit

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-30 1:06

劇中アニメ「月の魔法姫（ムーンウィッチ）プリティラビィ」オープニング映像（60秒）超豪華スタッフによる、「動く」プリティラビィ ついに解禁！
監督：湯浅政明
キャラクターデザイン・作画監督：森久司
原画：山下高明、上妻晋作、高瀬智章、ほか
美術：秋山健太郎（studio Pablo）

60 second OP of the show within a show in PhotoKano coming out on the new volume. Direction by Yuasa, AD/chara design Mori Hisashi, genga Yamashita Takaaki, Kozuma Shinsaku, Takase Tomoaki, etc.

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-30 1:07

How does it feel that Takemoto is starting to work on his next show in 2014?

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-30 1:16

>>284
THANK YOU BASED KYOANI

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-30 1:18

>>284
>>285

#TYBKA

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-30 2:39

>>284
How did it feel when Ishidate directed his own show?

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-30 3:48

>>284
Bad, like with each KyoAni show? Especially since it will be Tamako Shit 2 or some other retarded LN adaption.

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-30 10:21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9-CZKcRRPE

KyoAni= Old and busted

Yamakan's Wake Up Girls= New hotness

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-30 18:35

>>289
This is probably one of the most bland pieces of animation I've seen in a while.
Thanks, yamakan.

Name: Anonymous 2013-11-30 22:11

KyoAni idol anime in 2015. You know you want it.

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 0:31

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjUDxKdnsEQ

SPACE DANDY TEASER 2

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 2:55

GITS: Arise ep. 2 KA: Yasuhiro Aoki, Yuichiro Hayashi, Shinji Itadaki, Tetsuya Nishio, Kazuhiro Miwa, Takuya Saito, Atsuko Inoue.

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 3:00

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm22366376

鈴木大MAD

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 6:25

>>292
That animation. So good.

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 6:29

I'm very excite for Bahi JDさん's sakuga
( ^0^) ! yoyoyo！

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 6:31

>>292
And there it goes. Call me hyped

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 7:58

Are there any examples of mixed timing in western animation?

By mixed timing, I mean when the timing changes during the same shot during the movement.

As example, I've seen a jump movement where the timing switches between 2s and 3s. Yutapon does it in a very extreme way.
Sometimes he animates all in 2s and suddenly there are two frames in 1s or 3s.
It creates a certain feeling of tension and weight.

It seems like that's a common thing for japanese karisuma animators.
But I was interested if they have been doing this outside japan back then.


Please no offensive or racist comments, I'm just curious if any disney animators used this technique.

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 8:04

>>298
You mean frame modulation?

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 8:13

>>299
yes, frame modulation on a single movement.

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 8:20

>>299
>>298
It used to bother me a lot that there are no animation articles written about frame modulation.
The only place where it's slightly mentioned is on Yasuo Otsuka's wikipedia.

But I think it has become more common these days in the west.
I've recently seen frame modulation in french animated shorts from Gobelins university.
I heard rumors that Otsuka visited Gobelins long time ago and teached them some of his techniques such as his frame-modulation stuff.

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 8:22

>>301
It's not a rumor, he really was at Gobelins. There is even a clip from it in his documentary.
It's probably because french people are generally more open to japanese content.

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 8:57

>>298

After watching a few Disney movies I've noticed that they sometimes switch it up for a single action.

Here's an example:

http://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/1735/101_dalmatians-animated-artist_unknown-western

The dog is on twos before they join hands. From there it's all on ones. You can notice the slightly more choppy movement.

There's also this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7F9bJXnPY0

but it's all on ones in the final cut.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7F9bJXnPY0&t=1m36s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6ogPvybOiA&t=13m1s

You'll probably find a lot more if you go through a Disney film.

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 9:13

>>303
That's interesting.
Although I think this one isn't really the frame modulation I meant since it's not happening during the same movement. The dogs movement before they join hands is an individual movement and so the part where they dance, they are separate.


The animator's survival kit examples are better, but I don't feel like these are frame modulation neither.
I will keep looking and see if there is some more obvious ones around.

I think Milt Kahl was a lot more advanced at disney when it comes to frame modulation. http://sakuga.yshi.org/data/98a91edb6c796a742245b108536ba10e.gif

Although I'm really looking for western animators that applied frame modulation as intense as animators like Mitsuo Iso did.

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 9:19

>>304
Although I'm really looking for western animators that applied frame modulation as intense as animators like Mitsuo Iso did.

Good luck on that. You might find something in the indie category but definitely not disney.
The thing is that since western animation productions such as those from disney never had any budget issues, they never cared about using advanced timing techniques such as applying frame modulation.

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 9:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Y5PEEmwQw

Based Sunrise saving mecha animation

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 9:26

>>304

If you are so interested in frame modulation you should check out Kouichi Arai's scene in Paranoia Agent ep.8, it's the part where they want to hang themselves.
It's one of the most intense frame modulations out there.
Mainly in 4s and 3s, but you don't even recognized that and it never feels jerky, it looks extremely fluid because it's so well done. Masterful timing.

PS: Kouichi Arai is an underrated "full limited" animator.

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 9:32

>>307
PS: Kouichi Arai is an underrated "full limited" animator.

I don't fully agree with you. That's not Arai's usual style.
Utsunomiya was probably the reason for the intense frame modulation and full limited animation in Arai's scene.

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 9:34

>>307
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otSOggY8axI#t=3m59s

You mean this?

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 9:36

>>309

http://youtu.be/d-7KXvOfEmc?t=1m21s

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 9:43

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0gc-OQMtJ4

Magi S2#09  Takashi Kojima(小島 崇史)?

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 9:46

>>307
>>308

Wow, youtube is a real asshole.
I would recommend to check it out on the blu-ray, fuck this dark youtube quality.

http://i.imgur.com/6oHdj4H.png

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 9:56

>>304

Yeah that's as far as it goes for Disney from what I've seen. You won't really see a character swing a bat with a mix of twos and threes. I'll try checking some of the Looney Tunes/Merry Melodies shorts.

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 10:01

What about Hanna-Barbera stuff?

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 10:20

Yamada loves high school girls. Utsumi loves highscool boys
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/los_endos/20131201/1385905981

People joked about Yamada being a lesbian.
She might really be a lesbian.

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 10:23

>>308
>>307

wrong, Utsunomiya can't draw so well.

It's all Inoue's work. He fixed everything in Arai's scene including the timing.

I could even imagine that Inoue did uncredited key-animation work on episode 8.
Just look at it, the drawings scream for Inoue.

http://i.imgur.com/Iut2v29.jpg

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 10:31

>>315
Anything from the animator panel?

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 10:39

Why is Inoue so perfect?

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 10:55

>>318
Read some of his interviews and you will understand.

Inoue has never been satisfied with his work, that's why he kept getting better.

Name: Anonymous 2013-12-01 11:03

>>318

It's not hard to understand.

When you combine great animation skills with great drawing skills, that's how you become an Inoue or Okiura.

And that's something rare in the animation world, most animators can only draw in a certain stylistic way, with very simplified anatomy and flat bodies.

Just imagine Adam Hughes was also a great animator, he would be on the same league as Inoue.
It's still a mystery to me how animators in Japan started to care about anatomy and realism. Was it because of their leading comic artists such as Otomo?
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