Animation Appreciation Thread #3

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Previous threads:
#1 http://dis.4chan.org/read/anime/1291816034
#2 http://dis.4chan.org/read/anime/1314681601

I want to move away from using the term "Sakuga" as it often alienates people and can be misleading. There has been a bit of backlash against the Sakuga movement lately, and I'd like to think many people come to this thread to talk about the animation and visual aspect of anime, which is something that often gets overlooked elsewhere. It would be nice if we could get a wider appreciation of visuals in the anime fandom without being seen as elitists.

>>840

I have enough of this shit.

I'm out of here, i'm seriously out of here.

And next time, change the thread name back to "Sakuga Thread #4"
it's more difficult for /a/ to find it and troll shit

>>841
You can't really expect a spam-free thread on a completely unmoderated anonymous textboard.

It doesn't matter what the name is, since this is just about the only active thread on this board and therefore not very difficult to find.

that one cut with MC casting in today's Tsuritama seemed pretty Imaishi-ish in terms of crazy proportions and perspective

>>843
yeah kanada fishing was fun

episode 5 - storyboard by kigami and horiguchi as ad
http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/kotenbu/story/05/

>>844
Oh, boy it's true.
Sakuga eps confirmed

Also
2# Gatoh, SB Takemoto, ED Hiroko Utsumi, AD Miku Kadowaki
3# Katsuhiko Muramoto, SB/ED Ishidate, AD Seiichi Akitake
4# Miyuki Egami, SB/ED Eisaku Kawanae, AD Ikeda
5# Gatoh, SB/ED Ichiro Miyoshi (Kigami), AD Horiguchi
6# Maiko Nishioka, SB/ED Kazuya Sakamoto, AD Hiroyuki Takahashi
7# Sugihiko Ashida, SB/ED Hiroko Utsumi, AD Miku Kadowaki

Woah Episode 7 is a hot springs episode.

>>843
Tsuritama 3#
Hiroaki Imaki, Toshiaki Sato and too many key animators

I think that kanada scene was by Sato.

his independent animation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woNXZlnb-s8

Eureka's photo by Kenichi Yoshida
http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org2907272.jpg

KA Koji Sugiura, Naoyuki Konno etc

Test

>>845
3 script writers are KyoAni's staff.
2 of them are inbetweener.
Interesting.

KyoAni will probably do an original anime in the future?

>>849
Nah, KyoAni is a Kadokawa's dog

>>845
#5 is last episode of the Hyouka arc with Kigami and Horiguchi

So exciting

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>>849
Their next project after Hyouka IS an original work. The story for Chuunibyo was one of the encouragement prize winners at the first Kyoto Animation Award for creators (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-04-22/no-grand-prizes-given-for-1st-kyoto-animation-award), subsequently  made into the first light novel under Kyoto Animation's newly formed Esuma Bunko label and is now getting also animated by KyoAni themselves. So yeah, this is an original Kyoto Animation work with no major label or anything behind. They are producing and animating it on their own. On the downside, if the anime adaptation fails, they'll have sunk a lot of their own capital on it, unlike Nichijou which was produced by Kadokawa and KyoAni was only hired for animation work.

>>854
But being an original anime doesn't mean it won't be produced by a production committee splitting the cost

>>855
EVERY anime is handled by a production committee, which is mainly for splitting costs/risk and securing distribution and rights sales ways. Usually the committee consists out of at least the production studio, a publishing label and a sound label, who share the main cost, and a few small unnamed companies, the rest of the money is coming from big sponsors (Big M, Pizza Hut, NTT, etc.). However the main production of the anime itself is handled by an anime production studio (which then hires an animation studio for the animation work), which also carries the main risk as it invests the most. In KyoAni's case, who don't do outsourcing work for other studios for years, it's even more of a gamble than it was for Madhouse or Gonzo, they are basically wasting a whole season binding their staff on a project that directly affects their private capital. Well, of course they could pull another Munto TV and turn the show into practical training for students from the KyoAni animation school supervised by Kigami or someone else.

Since this is no longer a sakuga only, but an anime appreciation thread. Now that pretty much everything this season is out, what anime do you think have the best overall animation quality (not only best sakuga)

I'd go for Hyouka, Lupin and Apollon a distant third. Lupin's been talked before I assume so it's self-explanatory. Hyouka only got one episode out but the motion was pretty fluid throughout with few stills, also using nice looking computer rendered backgrounds (in that scene where Hotaro meets Eru for example, the desk and those book shelves and the room as a whole didn't look bad at all). Not to mention that really good hair tangling scene etc

Apollon has mainly the performace scenes going for it, and the crowd scenes (especially from ep, 1). The fighting is kinda derp with frame skips at times but eh. It works. Backgrounds are nice and all.

>>857
It's an /Animation/ Appreciation Thread
It says right there in the OP post you moron.

You also seem to be confused, sakuga in the context of these threads has always meant good animation. I have no idea what you thought it meant before hand.

>>857

I'd go Eureka Seven AO. It's the only show that's really impressed on animation department this season. Great FX animation and mecha action, almost no CG (only sometimes amd when used it's in still-shots).

Lupin has a really bad schedule and apart from first episode, animation wasn't really good. It's stylish and all but...

Apollon performance scenes are done in CG, and sometimes it looks rather annoying.

>>858

Butthurt over a typo much?

>>857

It's only Hyouka and the new season of Eureka for me. Lupin turned to shit on animation, and what it only really had going for it were the new "koike" huehue take on character animation. Apollon is just mediocre.

I've only skipped through Hyouka a bit but it looks like another very consistent and fluid show as you'd expect from KyoAni. And I really appreciate that there's a studio that doesn't abide by the usual limited and lots of shortcut trickery standards that most studios uphold but it wasn't particularly fun unlike Nichijou, which so far is the only KyoAni show I can recommend without doubts.

Lupin has some good bits and stand-offish character designs and colouring but the production is all over the place, sadly. Yet another bad schedule and planning by some producers. It's the same as last year's Tatsunoko, a studio that usually focuses on at best 1-2 titles at the same time suddenly handles thrice as many and disaster follows. Well, at least Lupin is still above Zetman, despite Mori being on the latter. One thing I have to give Zetman though, there's pretty much no CG except for backgrounds, in that regard it does far better than Tiger&Bunny.

The rest I've seen wasn't particularly good. It's sad to see the animators at ufotable, who have quite some talent amongst them, working on a title like Fate/Zero, the animated antics in Minori Scramble were much much much more fun to watch. It's such a waste. And Medaka Box despite some of the similar work to GL is overall really mediocre, Gainax really bled on talent. Saint Seiya Omega is a title I expected more from, there's good bits all over but it doesn't come together as well as Heartcatch Precure.

Tsuritama and Eureka I'm keeping for later once there are more episodes out since I'm pretty sure they're above the rest anyway.

>>856
There's really no indication that they are senior partner for production on Chuunibyou.  Even Munto TV credited Itou of Kadokawa and Hatta both as producers.  Although it will be an original project, it follows the same process where the idea gets pitched to multiple sponsors so you can't say for certain Kyoto Animation is investing the most.

Also it seems premature for you to say they will be "wasting" their time on this new project.

Remember the Kyonani staff's ideas for anime they showed on their homepage? Amazing ideas like 4 geometrical shapes and 4 cute girls with brightly colored hair? I guess they realized they had better stick to adaptations which is why they keep running that contest no one wins.

>>863
Chuunibyo is a KyoAni property, they are the publisher. No other anime production studio would even think of picking up that work and obviously no publisher would have the interest to invest a large part of the production cost for a work that isn't their own. Remember, the point of anime productions isn't only to sell discs but also in particular to promote and raise the sales of the original work as well as related goods. It's doubtful Kadokawa will be on the production committee at all, unless they are going to publish some manga or novel spin-off for it (which again is unlikely because Chuunibyo is being used by KyoAni to promote and strengthen their own publishing label). In short, the Chuunibyo anime is obviously a promotion for the novel itself but also KyoAni's publishing label and their award, it's their own production and they are carrying the largest risk.

And if you look at Munto credits, KyoAni is credited for 製作 and Kadokawa for 製作協力, meaning they weren't actually involved with its production, just helped out with something, which could've been printing of some promotion pamphlets or something equally unimportant. But well, that should've been obvious to begin with, as Munto had zero related material, no novels, no manga, no games, nothing, aside of the disc sales (which were also handled by Kadokawa and Klock Worx).


As for "wasting". They are spending a whole season (at least and not to mention pre-production and all) working on an own property while they aren't paid for it. They are investing their own capital, they don't do outsourcing work for other studios. Yes, at the current time it's a waste if they aren't able to do another work for some anime production studio at the same time or at least do a decent amount of outsourcing work for other studios.

Granted, unlike the fact that they are producing it, this last point is debatable and they could've actually accepted some outsourcing work again for the time on Chuunibyo, i.e. doing some Crayon-chan again after they weren't on the past couple of films, or something completely else. I still stand by the opinion that this production comes a tad too early for them, should've just accepted work on Little Busters or some more Haruhi/K-On/whatever.

>>864
The idea for most original anime do not come from within the studio but from producers who then hire people to put their ideas into on a script.  Also your last comment doesn't make sense because the award is for anyone who wants to submit their own work, it's not limited to KyoAni staff.

>>865
Is it even confirmed that Chuunibyo is going to be a TV anime? I kind of assumed it was more likely that it'd be a OVA or something.

>>865
Atsushi Itou is credited as producer on Munto TV along with Hideaki Hatta.  That should be proof enough Kadokawa was part producer along with Kyoto Animation.

Also Munto does have a manga.  And it is published by Kadokawa Shoten.

It's still too early to tell what will happen with Chuunibyou, but I don't think it's farfetched at all to assume it will receive a manga if(when) Kadokawa ends up on its production committee.

And I still don't understand your reasoning for why you think Chuunibyou will be a "waste".  Though it's starting to sound like the same old "why won't they make what I want" spiel you hear a lot whenever people talk about new KyoAni projects.

>>867
Well there's only 2 volumes of the book out.
I'd assume it is just an OVA at most too.

>>868
If Kadokawa were producing it, they would have also credited as such but it was merely 製作協力. And if he were from one of the involved production partners then he'd be credited with either 製作 as well or 製作総指揮 or 企画.

He is credited as producer because Kadokawa did the promotion work for Munto, PR people get often credited as producer or associate producer but that doesn't actually mean their company is part of the production committee, see Baka to Test etc.

As for the manga, indeed just looked up and there is one, didn't know of that one since it was released months after the TV series (so much for promotion or Kadokawa being involved in the production...)

And if you notice, all of the promotional material is copyrighted for Kyoto Animation, not for Kyoto Animation & Partners, neither a production committee. Yes, Munto is indeed a pretty rare case where a company produced the work on its own, aside of some sponsor money, and not as part of a production committee. Well, that's also reason for the mostly absence of related goods and whatnot.

No idea what you are trying to argue here...

>>866
Yes the comment makes sense. The staff is retarded so the management holds a contest to receive ideas from the outside.

>>871
The award is to encourage young writers.  They give out cash prizes and two of the submitted works were even published.  It's a good opportunity for anyone who has something to share.

You're just a shitty troll anyways so whatever.

Fuse Teppou Musume no Torimonocho
Director Masayuki Miyaji
Designs Seiichi Hashimoto
Studio TMS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=sn2gJ4dL3Os

>>864
Those are not ideas for anime.
They are ideas for original characters.

KyoAni did have original animation projects back in 2002, though.
http://i.imgur.com/9Hy1I.jpg

>>874

>Tomoe Aratani

;________;

New Kaiketsu Zorori film this year
http://www.zorori-movie.jp/

Mad Max anime

Wow. Has anyone seen this? This animators style is almost like Koike and Ohira blended together
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Q364QU-usvY#t=1218s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMhwixvwMUs&feature=youtu.be

Well uh... I certainly didn't expect this to happen.

>>879
I was actually expecting some of fanservices in Hyouka since Takemoto is the director, but how's that related to the show?