I know this isn't strictly tech, but I felt it's the best place for it.
People talk (on 4chan and such places) of raids by the police on their house to recover hard drives due to suspicions of CP or of pirated content.
I was wondering if anyone knew of a case where someone actually managed to destroy their Hard Drive, either remotley or before anyone could get to it, or any stories of the sort.
Could it hypothetically be fitted with some sort of... remote water filling thing?
Post anything relevant please.
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Anonymous2006-02-21 20:10
Water would do nothing to destroy a harddrive, the cops have advanced tech to read stuff thats meant to be gone. I guess you could pack 50g of APAN in your tower or something, but then you'll asking for more raping.
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Anonymous2006-02-21 23:59
explode a HD? smash it with a sledge hammer? theres also a floppy disk u can make that nukes a hd, but that takes time. and theres also the issue of the cops jsut raiding your house, theyd have to ask you to search it first, even before getitng the warrant. piracy isnt THAT illegal, mind you. and by then youd have plenty time to use a D's boot&nuke. (isnt called D's boot&nuke?)
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Anonymous2006-02-22 3:34
Darik's Boot & Nuke.
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Anonymous2006-02-22 7:50
Stick it in a 7 Tessla magnet coil
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Anonymous2006-02-22 8:27
Don't use a hard drive. Boot off a LiveCD and keep everything in RAM. If the cops arrive, all your CP will disappear the instant they unplug the computer to take it away for evidence. For maximum mindfuck load the whole OS into RAM and remove the CD, so when they get to the station they find a computer totally lacking any storage medium. Works best if the computer is on when they arrive so that they can see it running.
>>10
can, but onty by the CIA when it contains the location of alien ships...
(there are theoretically traces of the previous content left even in D-rams and even after powering them off, but it's pretty sure not pratically usable)
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Anonymous2006-02-27 5:00
>>1
why physically desroy HDs?
way too bothersome and insecure...
all you need is strong encryption, and a medium that contains the key that you can destroy...
without the key the content of the disks is as good as random data.
an interesting question is if it suffices to just not tell the passphrase to your key...
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Anonymous2006-02-27 6:39
Just pop it in the microwave for 30 seconds. Easy.
Keep another computer running in some secretive area of your house, and network this one with your normal computer, then, just save everything you do to this secret computer. You'll still have a Hard drive hosting the operating system, so it won't look like you're hiding anything.
Like I said, this is somewhat farfetched, but it seems like it would work nicely.
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Anonymous2006-03-15 12:04
>>24
1. It's not farfetched. Remote storage is being used a lot more now (be it a file/media server stashed away somewhere, or a self-contained network-ready hard disk).
2. It wouldn't work, because, gee, do you think the Feds might have a little thing like A SEARCH WARRANT!? They would find it and you'd look all the more suspicious for stashing a NAS array in your attic.
by the way, I tried Darik's boot & nuke, it sure as hell takes a long time. Lesee, it's cleared 8% of a 12GB hard drive after 10 minutes. I guess this wouldn't be good if they were right outside your house, you'd have to know they were coming about 5 hours before, because I know most people have bigger hard drives than 12GB.
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Anonymous2006-03-15 18:23
You would have to worry about Stellar Phoenix.
Unless, of course, you literally exploded your hard drive.
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Anonymous2006-03-15 20:33
followup from >>26 DBAN will kill your hard drive. As in, once the cops are gone, you can't really reformat and install winblows again. But it's better than being arrested if you have 5 hours.
stick the hard drive on top of the case unplugged, no warrant for searching the HDD on your desk
they can take the computer, then come back with a new warrant for just the HDD
I wonder if you could install a very powerful electromagnet next to the hard-drive and have a "In case of cops." switch which turns it on? I'm pretty sure that'd do the trick.
possible, but since your at it, why not strap c4 to the side, instead? or coat your HD in c4! that way your comp suddenly goes BOOM! when they try to hi-jack it!
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Anonymous2006-03-24 21:52
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Anonymous2006-03-25 3:49
lol pedos shitting themselves about the 4chan partyvan
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Anonymous2006-03-26 11:53
i saw a thing on tv about htis a while were this guy had attached 3 oz. of thermite to his hdd and set up a remote switch and took his computer ourside and detonated it...damn near caught his house on fire lol
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Anonymous2006-03-26 14:19
>>3
you fail, thermite does not explode. thermite burns at an extremely high temp. and can burn thru an engine block. lurk more.
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Mr. SCIIIIEEEEEENNNNNCNCCCCCE2006-03-30 20:55
>>41
More precisely, thermite uses a chemical reaction in which powdered aluminum and powdered iron oxide become aluminum oxide and molten iron. It doesn't explode, but it can spatter a bit--it's a very energetic reaction. The molten iron it produces is literally white-hot and you can't look at it directly without goggles because it hurts your eyes like staring at the sun.
If there is any trace of moisture present on any surface it touches, it'll instantly flash-vaporize into steam. That can cause the molten iron to spatter and spray further than you might expect.
Thermite is dangerous stuff and in my opinion it's STOOPID to play with it.
Just keep the hd outside and a hammer or a pickaxe nearby. Works like a charm.
If you use an explosive and a police officer is harmed by the explosion you have bigger problems than a piracy trial.
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edf2006-03-31 17:45
Also, why not bury a nas with wifi in your garden and put the antenna in your tree or something like that. Also heard someone built their server into a stonewall. but isn't really sitable if you want to be able to change faulty equipment.
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Anonymous2006-04-02 20:12
Why not use thermite? place a small amount on the top of the harddrive and wire up a firing mechanism.....
I used to install rockets with submitters in my backyard. They have water resistant capsules for stuff and an inflateable balloon. When the time is coming I send them a few miles into the ocean. Works like charm.
Kevin Rose's thebroken "teaches" you how to fill a laptop drive bay with thermite. The procedure is pretty complicated though -
1)Fill with thermite
2)Ignite
3)Hide from 4chan party van
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Anonymous2006-04-04 13:49
>>53
Why does Dr. Claw have to run from the 4chan party van
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Anonymous2006-04-06 19:40
lol, play some classical thunder like dies irae while blowing it up for more effect, might get a standing ovation.
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Anonymous2006-04-07 21:45
Just so you guys know, it's AGAINST US LAW to do stuff like this. IE if you are a suspect of CP and the key to your encryption has been destroyed but they have your computer you can still get into deep trouble. It just so happens that there was a pedo in my hometown. He put a huge electronic magnet in his front door that is always on and when the cops came all of the cool stuff they took out of his house was fried, I assume. But he got many, many years in the state pen.
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Anonymous2006-04-08 0:17
>>58
A magnet powerful enough to erase a harddisk from a couple feet away would be so powerful I'd be dangerous to operate. Metal objects would fly towards you at dangerous velocities. That story is total bullshit.
A magnetic disk has a low permeability and uses a strong magnetic field at the drive head to write bits. And remember, magnetic field strength descreses according to distance^2.
An encrypted volume appears as nothing more than random data. They can't prove it's encryted data as long as you have plausible deniability.
I so want one of those super-dangerous giant neodymium magnets. You know, the ones where you have to sign a disclaimer before they let you buy it. Even though I know it would end in me breaking my fingers or tearing the shadow mask out through the front of my TV or something...
i stumbled on that site just before reading this. those are awesome, im thinking about buyng a couple. i'll be sure to give pics of me tearing crap up, too.
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viper2006-04-12 7:06 (sage)
you idiots, right click file and under properties choose hidden
>>40
This was taken from thebroken.org which has a self-destructing laptop. The problem is that it would burn down the house. An EM field would be the best way to destroy data, but there's the issue of all these solutions leaving evidence that you're trying to hide something. In which case they'll charge you without evidence. (It happens) So the best solution would be plausible deniability. "Honest officer, I didn't know my open wireless network was being used to pirate movies."
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Anonymous2006-04-19 20:00
>>36
it would take up too much room if is rigt next to your computer, i'd rater have it all sotred in a memory stick, and the when tthe feds come i'll just stick it in my pooper...
but you'll sill have to delete the fact you came to 4chan
Saw an episode of Law and Order where a guy had hidden a degausing loop by the door. When the police walked out the door it wiped the hard drive. Don't know if that would actually work or not, or how powerful the loop would have to be, but I've seen TV repair men build their own out of old extension cords.
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Anonymous2006-04-24 21:04
Saw an episode of Law and Order where a guy had hidden a degausing loop by the door. When the police walked out the door it wiped the hard drive. Don't know if that would actually work or not, or how powerful the loop would have to be, but I've seen TV repair men build their own out of old extension cords.
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Anonymous2006-04-24 21:38
>>76
>degausing loop
Is that spelled right? If so, what the heck is it?
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Anonymous2006-04-24 21:56
ever degaussed yer monitor?it pretty much "cleans" whatever you degause. whatever electronic device that passes thru it that carries info is totally refreshed.
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Anonymous2006-04-24 22:00
Open it and burn the insides. No way to recover data from ashes of burned plastic.
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Anonymous2006-04-24 23:02
are you retarted >>80? you cant burn a fucking HD.
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Eclair2006-04-24 23:51
Hmm, where to hide a wireless capable HD...
Wonder if you could make a USB enabled LCD screen fit into an empty monitor, put in one of those tiny little USB hubs, plug in a few USB External Hard drives, then not give a shit if they take your computer, and leave your crappy old monitor, cause they dun got shit (and make sure to get those things out ASAP if they do come)
Any thoughts about this wacky idea?
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Anonymous2006-04-25 9:23
Saw the beginning episode of Law and Order once where a guy had a degausing loop hidden by his door. When the police busted his door down and tried to walk out with the computer, it erased his hard drive. I'm sure that would work. After all, I saw it on TV, right?
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anonymous2006-04-25 9:23
Saw the beginning episode of Law and Order once where a guy had a degausing loop hidden by his door. When the police busted his door down and tried to walk out with the computer, it erased his hard drive. I'm sure that would work. After all, I saw it on TV, right?
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anonymous2006-04-25 9:23
Saw the beginning episode of Law and Order once where a guy had a degausing loop hidden by his door. When the police busted his door down and tried to walk out with the computer, it erased his hard drive. I'm sure that would work. After all, I saw it on TV, right?
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Eclair2006-04-25 13:45
and you spammed it here 3 times, so thst makes you evil, right?
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Anonymous2006-04-25 23:00
Saw the beginning episode of Law and Order once where a guy had a degausing loop hidden by his door. When the police busted his door down and tried to walk out with the computer, it erased his hard drive. I'm sure that would work. After all, I saw it on TV, right?
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Anonymous2006-04-25 23:30
Saw the beginning episode of Law and Order once where a guy had a degausing loop hidden by his door. When the police busted his door down and tried to walk out with the computer, it erased his hard drive. I'm sure that would work. After all, I saw it on TV, right?
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Anonymous2006-04-26 7:54
i saw "the core" on tv the other day, and the hacker magneting/microwaving all his stuff made me remember this failure of a thread and lol.
shit movie, tho
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Anonymous2006-04-26 13:21
Degaussing is weak compared to the coercivity of modern hard drives. That would not work.
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Anonymous2006-04-28 19:19
even if you have a hidden box in your house, NOT connected to the internet, but connected to your LAN on your main box - you can see still see tracks of the files on your main pc if it were to be copied to the other box
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Anonymous2006-04-29 2:58
What if you could write the disk driver for your disk drive such that the computer only read/write the last platter when you input a password? If you did it right i'd be pretty hard to figure out what was going on.
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Anonymous2006-04-29 8:39
>>92
The OS doesn't directly control how data is written to and read from the drive; the drive electronics control much of that. The OS only handles things at a file system level, not a physical one. And if you're thinking about not being able to read data without a password, we already have that in the form of file encryption.
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Anonymous2006-04-29 11:55
>>94
You can calculate the location on disk by looking at the block offset. If you write a custom driver and filesystem you can make it so that certain data is only written to certain parts of the disk.
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Anonymous2006-04-29 17:46
See that air-pressure equalizing vent in every harddrive? Inject Sulphuric Acid into it.
The hidden wireless box idea is known to the Party Van and DEA-- and they hate it, because it works, and they then need to get another 3-4 warrants to find the thing (because it may be on other people's property or the like..) A sensible crim would have a deadman check running on the hidden server too.
>>96
In other words: Hide a wireless node - preferably not on your property, use a propietary filesystem - preferably one you wrote yourself, encrypt this filesystem, and use a deadman switch.
Encrypt your harddrive with a keyfile and setup a program to delete the keyfile after 12 hours unless you intervene.
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Anonymous2006-04-29 19:23
>>97
The funny thing is, they're finding people _doing_ all that.
Wont't help against party van if they caught you at surprise, but opening up your HD and burning insides GUARANTEES that's it's 100% unrecoverable. Can't recover anything from melted mass plastic. I don't see much point doing this though, if you know party van is coming you can hide your HDs at your friend's or relative's house.
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Anonymous2006-05-03 20:14
>>100
Dumbass, they need extra warrants to find the hidden wireless node. (And if they have them then they still need a few hours to find the node. Hence it being hidden.) By that time the deadman switch will render your drive contents nothing more than random data.
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Anonymous2006-05-04 2:21
I actually use a seperate wirless "node" for housing of stuff (not CP mind you). I hide it in a wall safe of sorts, the safe is made of a special plastic that's nearly as hard as steel, (Odds are the feds would use powerful metal detectors all over the walls if they suspected a hidden node) this works twofold. 1) Getting into that safe would be very, very hard. 2) The plastic outside stops the metal detectors from sensing the metal bits inside. To minimize the total amount of metal the server has I don't use a case.
The server only listens to my computer, actually my NIC - when it gets the signal from my nic it broadcasts. (No Active Broadcast, way to easy to triangulate) I get the data I want from it making sure not to store it on my computers hardrive. It uses a deadman switch as >>101 said that needs me to check up on it every 13 hours or else it turns the content of its hardrives into garbage. (I considered some kind of remote super-magnet, or small explosive but ruled that out. I can have SOME kind of plausable deniability having a server mounted in my wall, but if it's blown the fuck up, I think not).
Overall, A project like this would cost you about 1.5k, the price increases as you house more hardrives. Most of the cost comes from buying the safe, and getting the tools needed to drill the holes into the damn thing. (You need holes for power\wireless antenna).
Also, being able to fix sheatrock is a big plus
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Anonymous2006-05-04 4:19
>>102
Wireless nodes are usually detected with bog-standard bug detectors, and the Feds have hardware that can detect such across a whole neighbourhood. Got a 2.4GHz tuned circuit? Busted!
>>81
You are retarded. I haven't tried burning them, but I know HD when opened has several plastic disc inside it. Hell, I opened once a broken HD, so I know what there is inside. I'm pretty sure you can burn those discs.
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Anonymous2006-05-04 5:48
>>105
I opened it up once and smashed the discs inside with a axe and shattered them completely .
Would that help ?
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Anonymous2006-05-04 5:58
>>106
I'm not sure, but I guess pretty much it would. Although I'm sure they could be able to recover some things from those pieces. I would guess burning would be more effective though. Perhaps acid is the way to go.
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Anonymous2006-05-04 6:02
>>107
Damn forgot that plastics are prettymuch immune to acids... If they're entirely made of plastic I guess acid would not be much of use, but I suspect that's not the case.
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Anonymous2006-05-04 9:41
shatter them and scatter the pieces in different places I would like to meet the badass FBI agent who will spend the rest off his life tracking down every single piece .
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Anonymous2006-05-04 18:28
Ha ha ha. If you are being probed by the FBI then they already have enough to bust you. The HDs are just icing on the cake. So go ahead and waste your time figuring out how to rig your HDs with explosives and whatever the fuck you see on CSI cause it wont help you.
Nope, I saw a "show" where they did exactly that. Then, sometime later, the data-recovery expert regained pretty much all the data. Of course, they need all the tiny pieces.
Actually, your only "safe-bet" is the encryption + "sorry, sarge, you hit me so hard with the baton I forgot the pass" At least, I know a ftp server that got busted only to ridicule the jurisdiction later.
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Anonymous2006-05-06 19:19
There are many, many ways to safeguard your computer against confiscation, from programs that perform military deletes if a bad password or other signal is used, to various amounts of explosives in the case, and ten kinds of other things. One guy doing illegal things with his machine rigged the doorframe of his bedroom with high-power magnets, effectively destroying his computer's hard drive when it was confiscated.
However, the police know about most of these protection schemes already. When a seach warrant is issued in connection with computer crime, special teams that include bomb squad members and "white hat" crackers are assembled to search for and deactivate this crap.
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Anonymous2006-05-07 3:35
>>112
This has to be a troll. I've already explained why the doormagnets won't work further up the thread.
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Anonymous2006-05-07 11:27
Yeah, you'd need a proper degaussing loop, and that's hardly something that you can readily conceal or anything. (Would also wipe any credit cards and such that come through the door.)
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Anonymous2006-05-09 22:14 (sage)
>>113
but cryptonomicon was such a good book, surely the man who brought us the deliverator didn't lie
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Anonymous2006-05-18 18:17
You dont build the magnet into the door, you build it into the desk, as the army used to do.
I had a prof that worked for the army for a while (in one of those places where you have to put your HD in a safe at the end of the day), and one day he got curious and hit the Big Red Button(TM) on his desk. High power degaussing loop. The thing had to be remagnetized.
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Anonymous2006-05-19 6:34
There's no point in damaging the harddrive physically. Even if the plate is in pieces, they still can read some data from it, it just needs some special technology.
HDDs are magnetic media. All you need is a strong enough magnet and no one would be ever able to get any usable data out of that HDD.
>>13 >>22
Law Enforcement has money. Physically destorying the HD is the best way of making data dissapear.
Encryption, just slows things down, unless you have like every single file Encryped into different encryptions.
Isn't there a program that overwrites ram with 0000's like it would do for a HD?
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Anonymous2006-05-22 5:27
>>119
There is programs that overwrite HDs. It's VERY time consuming though and often you don't have that much time. Works fine for those cases when you want to sell HD, but doesn't work in typical Party Van case.
You suck at reading comprehension. Have another go.
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nnd112006-05-22 23:11
blow that fucker up or magnetize it, i dont know if amicrowave will work but someone should try it and report back
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Anonymous2006-05-23 13:14
microwaves dont work all that well.
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Anonymous2006-06-09 15:24
HDs are not always made of plastic, i shot one once and it bent and is pretty heavy, i would say, format the bitch with a seatools disk or something , then get a big ass magnet and dont worry about it anything else works, magnets are basic and cheap
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Anonymous2006-06-09 21:15
>>105 >>107 >>108
Holy shit are you retarded. Hard drive platters are not made of plastic. They are made of aluminum usually, and sometimes glass, but never plastic.
I heard if you bit your HD really hard with your teeth it would explode
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Anonymous2006-06-11 0:27
your teeth might explode, but not the hd, its just a piece of metal like a shiny expensive stack of popcan bottoms, i have shot at hds, and burned them and never seen an explosion,
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Anonymous2006-06-11 0:52
Well I dont brush my teeth so maybe all the bacteria shit inside my mouth will make anything I bite on explode, sorry
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Anonymous2006-06-11 1:18
i dontknow about explode, but maybe eat through it"
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Anonymous2006-06-12 0:28
i used a 10 gauge , that works good too
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Anonymous2006-06-12 17:14 (sage)
delicious hd full of pedo, i must eat it
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Anonymous2006-06-12 23:06
I dont really get the problem
Have your drive outside the case
Get some rare earth magnets on your desk
Need to destroy it?
Toss them in the direction of the hard drive
Good luck getting them off
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Anonymous2006-06-12 23:38
i cummed on a hd once, for a wierd porno?
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Jezal2006-06-15 6:07
If you need a quick way to destroy you HDD('s) just toss it in your microwave along with any disc's with incriminating evidence on them. (or if you could get ahold of defribulator paddles...)
Why not just delete the partition... You can never recover it... Make it simple. Just pop in bart PE and delete the partition. All evidence Gone in just a few mins :D
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Anonymous2006-07-08 6:23
microwawing a hd won`t work,well the drive electronics will get fried but not the platters. The casing would reflect the waves and absorb them too with the result of a lot of sparks and an ouch! hot hd case and a destroyed microwave oven.
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dark!UN412BdHRI2006-07-08 15:52
Hook up a giant coiled electromagnet around the hard drive. And I don't just mean one coil, I mean a <i>big</i> ass electromagnet. Fit that with a large switch (hopefully one that you won't hit by accident), which could easily be made remote. Then, if something goes down, just slam that switch and the hdd (and probably everything else electronic in the area) will be destroyed.
Seriously though, if you have an ext3 filesystem, just do rm -rf / because ext3 rewrites the data with 0s.
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Anonymous2007-12-16 17:40
>>146
sure?.. I don't know a lot about it, and I know linux has a queue for disk operations (and that's why you need to umount, so it can flush the queue for sure), but deleting in ext3 is way too fast to write stuff with 0s, and it would be waaay more efficient to just wipe the i-node clean, which would be the sane thing to do (although then again, I haven't messed with the ext3 source), I guess writing a fuse filesystem that shreded everything deleted would be pretty enterteining (sorry about that last word, I probably mispelled it, I'm not a native english speaker)
Yeah, because that is the very mode that makes ext3 wipe the files. Jesus.
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Anonymous2007-12-17 16:35
>>156
So what's your fucking point? shred works perfectly with ext3, except that in one particular mode it's superfluous.
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Anonymous2007-12-17 17:30
>>157
Your whole argument was that it wasn't superfluous, and that I was wrong.
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Anonymous2007-12-17 21:13
>>158
My argument was that it works under ext3, while you said it doesn't. Learn to read.
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Anonymous2007-12-18 4:17
Delete system32
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Anonymous2007-12-18 8:29
>>159
And why the fuck would it need to work under ext3 if rm overwrites it with 0s? Learn to use cognitive reasoning.
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Anonymous2007-12-18 20:28
>>161 rm doesn't overwrite with 0s in two out of the three settings, faggot.
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Anonymous2007-12-18 21:37
They will always give you fair warning that they are coming. Just stick the HDD in the microwave for a little then take out the disks, scratch them. And then bend the hell outta them COLON DEE. NO WON WILL RECAWVER DATA FRUM THAT!
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Anonymous2007-12-19 2:33
wouldn't the best be to write it all over with 1's instead of 0's?
I heard that the big data recovery labs doesn't read the tracks on the disk itself, but actually the space between the tracks, because when you 0 a disk, it doesn't remove the magnetizing between the tracks, and it's then just a matter of relocating the pin head just a bit.
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Anonymous2007-12-19 15:15
Deniable encrypted partitions with usb token + passphrase authentication
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Anonymous2007-12-19 23:00
>>1
If you're that worried when ever they come take your HDD and give it to your friend, then they need a new warrant to get it from him. Then you can take it back and have a lot of time to erase it all beyond recovery.
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Anonymous2007-12-20 4:30
>>165
Having a USB token lying around kind of ruins the plausible deniability bit.
>>166
Because they'll always give advance warning, amirite? You can microwave a drive when men in black suits are knocking at your door (make sure they aren't Jehova's witnesses), but you can't drive to your friend's house and leave the drive there.
Much better to just use encryption (and possibly steganography, though a US judge recently ruled people can't be forced to hand over their encryption keys) and safe deletion practices, like shred.
>>167
>Having a USB token lying around kind of ruins the plausible deniability bit.
No the idea is, the crypted data can decode into 2 different results. Check out TrueCrypt hidden volume.
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Anonymous2007-12-26 3:01
>>169
167 most likely knows about that, while you don't seem to get what he's talking about. Kill yourself.
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