Explain the 4 forces

SIMPLY!

electromagnetism, strong interaction, weak interaction

electromagnetism, strong interaction, weak interaction

oh yeah, and gravitation

i type something refuting "4-forces" and i use backslash immediately after...
because i know what i write will be flamed by some blind science fans. it is better just to leave it, what is the use of trying to change view of anonymous anyway

How about someone proves forces exist first. Funny how physicists mock God but they believe in invisible things called "forces".

>>6
it all comes down to "i think, therefore i am" at the end and we know how ambiguous that is. existence is all dependent to one's satisfaction with the info he's got. when i say little purple gnomes exist and they compose all matter you don't believe it. but if i say matter is composed of infinitesimally small positively and negatively charged particles, you tend to believe and be satisfied with this explanation. The key point here is not the explanation itself but our satisfaction threshold. Mine is exceptionally high, i don't buy anything anyone says. sure i do formulate alternate explanations to our universe and existence but it is still unsatisfactory. there is one way out of this heavy burden but im not gonna disclose that here where people only superficially care about opinions

o....rly? :3

I am not here to redeem the deeds of the damned, I am here to bring awareness to them via the pointing out of their deeds.

You want to assume a point of view, argue it, and blame incompetence and complacency on others...cheers, that's what Christians do. :3

"C'mon people now, smile on your brother everybody get together try to love one another right now."

Here's a point of view I bet nobody has even imagined, to make it dissociative to you, since you don't like to be associated with anything you don't know, I'll put it from first person pov.

I stand here, wrong, alone in a world where everything is as it should be...it is right. For once I see the world as it IS and not as I would have it be which does not yet exist in my perceivable reality. Does it bring a burden to me? Yes, and is this burden good? Yes, because I know now how it makes me feel and now I know more about myself.

I love what I cannot change...the world; and change what I cannot love...myself. And in changing myself...I influence the world and a change can happen on a geometric scale.

The small things matter more than the complicated, for all complication is a compilation of simple things which I had refused to look upon and more often than not was consumed with thought that I could not even see what was before me, for my thoughts were more important than the person standing in front of me, and I believed myself right...oh how I was failing myself moment by moment. So I reverted my thinking to something just before what it was supposed to be and into what it IS. And upon learning this new trait I had realized that what I know is a masquerade of reality and I was its mask. No longer did I see myself as right and the entire world as wrong; but instead I saw myself as wrong, that I do not know everything and in that revelation I saw that only by my actions could I strive to be right and only upon my death would I achieve that form of righteousness.
For me, perfection was a stripping away of all that foreign, unnecessary, and seemingly detrimental to appearance and posture. Now I see that what I was striving for was separation from beauty and grace of uniqueness which is the defining factors of individuality and perfection now was a way to strip myself of my own beauty and grace and to be nothing more than just another piece of meat which by happenstance was my mindset of everyone else around me at that time...interesting how my perceptions of myself were easily mistook for everyone else's.

"A cup is difficult to fill when it is already full."

Thank God I'm wrong, thank God I don't know, thank God I am who I am; and in that thanking I feel appreciated...interesting how that works out...interesting in deed. :3

>>8
oh boy...so generous on words, so short on meaning. im tired whilst reading

>>8
Dude what are you doing with science? Go write some novel or stuff

>>9
meaning, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

>>10
novel is work in progress, science is what backs it all up.

When I'm through...it'll be biblical. :3

AnOnYmOuS 2U, you are not of this earth, which makes me curious, what is your age and occupation?

I like how you primarily quote pop musicians and the bible. A real street philosopher.

>>12
If you are referring to me, I'm 31, about 1-1/2 years into Bachelor's of Arts of Philosophy program, making some practical headway...and now I'm just doing a part-time job to give me some spending cash at the moment...soon as the program is over with...oh glorious day.

You know what, when I finally realized that my pov wasn't the only one around...I started changing my pov to observe the uniqueness of each one...now, it is merely a choice to learn before I assume a position.
When do I graduate from being an autodidact?

When I die. :3
"Death is only the beginning." --Imhotep:The Mummy

>>7
"there is one way out of this heavy burden but im not gonna disclose that here"

:3

>>1
So a real response . . .
Gravity. All things that have mass attract each other. This was very poorly understood until Einstein created a model where anything with mass bends space, basically. This bending of space makes everything go towards things that have mass, so even light, although it has no mass, is bent by strong gravitational fields.

Electromagnetism. Things that are charged create electric fields. Magnetic fields are another form of electric field. Both of these create forces on other charged things. Basically it.

The weak force is the least comprehensible. That doesn't show up often, just in the decays of particles, so it's very small scale. It's really awful, because it doesn't conserve a lot of the things that we thought were always conserved (spin parity, charge parity, lepton number for those who are in the know). Caused by the exchange of a couple of particles.

The strong force is an interaction on the nuclear scale also. This is mostly between quarks, which make up protons and neutrons and some other junk. Quarks are all "red", "blue", or "green." Note that these are not the particles actual colors, that's just a way for us to describe the strange type of charge that they have. All different colors attract. This force holds those particles together.

>>15
All Colors Attract?  wtf is this crockery

>>15
electrons attract, neutrons repel...tell me, how did we discover neutrons existence again? oh yeah, cause when we tried to measure the mass of a given particle it was double what it should have been...hence, neutrons.
For every proton there is a neutron. :3

This along with all elements moving towards an equilibrium, save iron, leads me to believe that it may be possible that this equilibrium existed before, but now it does not, but has been striving towards this since inception.

In ambiguous terms; stability gave way to instability and now instability will be giving way towards stability. We exist within an unstable realm; constant flux. :3
And now that you know this, you will feel unstable (the law of dissonance) and you will automatically strive for stability (consonance). :3

I hate it when I'm right; feel free to prove me wrong. :3

>>17
god you're such an idiot

>>17
Prove you wrong?  Ok.
1.) "Electrons attract"
It's not that simple, dumbshit.  They attract protons because they have negative charge, but they certainly repel other electrons.
2.) "Neutrons repel"
No, they don't.  They are electrically neutral which is why they can sit there tightly bunched with protons in a nucleus.
3.) "For every proton there is a neutron"
Where the hell do you get this shit?  Have you ever heard of an isotope? 

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about in the rest of the post.

>>19
i am on your side but there are exceptions to what you are saying also. neutrons do not sit there because they are inert, according to theory gluons keep quarks together. a proton consists of uud and a neutron is udd. there is a constant interaction between their color charges of these particles. that is what keeps them together. also electric charge is not that simple either, W+,W- or Wo bosons carry the electrical charge and create the repelling or attractive forces between particles.

>>20
forgot to state, if the nuclear configuration was just about electrical forces protons could not remain so close either. there is a very baffling balance here. i studied all of these and yet i still do not grasp it all. for example why an electron wouldn't fall into the nucleus and collapse into a neutron whilst forming the atom in the very beginning. people go and say that because it is energetically more favorable to exist in that absurd state, but this doesn't explain it at all. why is it energetically favorable, if so why would neutrons form in the first place? universe could collapse into an extremely more stable state if it undergo such modifications. lower energy, higher entropy doesn't always apply ideally

>>21
(Free) neutrons are unstable; they have a half life of ~886 seconds.

Gravity (when very strong) can send electrons into the nucleus.  This is how neutron stars are formed.

>>15
There is also a sense in which the strong force is less comprehensible: it is strongly coupled, so perturbation theory fails.  Little is known about QFT outside of perturbation theory, so we're basically screwed.  There are attempts around this using large N approximations and lattice QCD (which basically amounts to brute forcing a path integral, if I understand it right).  It is also strange because the color charges are non abelian, at least in the sense that they arise from a non abelian gauge.

Lastly, the weak and strong "forces" only operate at the quantum mechanical level, where forces cease to exist; forces are a purely classical concept.  If you really wanted to, you could treat the standard model as a classical field, and get the strong/weak forces that way, but I don't think it would behave in a fashion that you might expect.

>>22
that was my very problem, why are neutrons more unstable than something like an atom. between the components of neutron (3 quarks and respective bosons), there are only attractive forces, there should be no reason for it to break apart. if not, a free proton should also decay but instead it makes a hydrogen

>>23
Weak force

>>1
earth, wind, fire and water ... duh? there is no explanation to them. god made them, and they are the forces of the earth.

geez, you guize still don't seem to understand. We aren't living in a stable world with some form of instability around us. We live in an unstable world where we strive for stability and in the process (opposite reaction) we also create greater instability. The whole of the process is stable within the realms of the physics that ARE present, but as of yet, we haven't fully explored, only postulated the majority of it under what denigrated mathematics we currently know at the present moment. So...I guess if you want to see the world clearly...get better eyes and you can stop wondering why people don't make you better glasses. No one is going to do better for you than you can do for yourself.

It's the smallest things that make everything possible...it would serve you well to remind yourself...of your place in this enormous universe we are currently resident within.

Why is a matter for reason, your reason, how is a matter of time.

Life is all about timing; existence is just a matter of time.

Divide and conquer to know, unite and overwhelm to use. These are practical purposes of science...why is what I leave to those that don't understand...their own purpose.

If you want a reason for doing anything...how about this; if at length you seek and return empty of reason, let that be the very reason to do what is necessary.
Reason to do anything is that there is no reason...it is created through your actions, not your knowledge...so go learn reason. :3

If you're looking for an enemy...he's been with you all along telling you what to say, how to say it, and for what reasons and purposes best serve him...some call him God...others don't even believe he exists at all...and the same people wonder why nobody pays attention to them, the latter, the wise few amidst the mass of misanthropic, realize just one thing...if they can serve this being what it cries out for so fervently...what is it worth to this being if they do?

You want to know how to control the masses of people? Begin to look at all of them one at a time and when you aren't looking, realize what all of them have in common and exploit this commonality at every given moment while realizing that you yourself can be exploited in the very same fashion...

The result? Self-Awareness is the next step in human evolution...are you adapting?

"...what the fuck HAVE you done lately?" --Wanted

:/

If you really want to know something before you experience it yourself, here's your answer; I don't know.

Now you know why you need to find out for yourself. :3

also...















...not your personal army. :/

...exploitable = profit.

Got exploitation? :/


The way I see it, you're all a bunch of lowlife losers begging for salvation by screaming at the top of your lungs with your fingertips, "I know more than you, I don't need you, I can do whatever I want; I answer to no one!"

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the one you have to answer to is the same person whom you refuse to acknowledge yourself, the same person that you are with 24/7/365, night and day, the same person you sleep with and the same person that provides you with all that you have...

...and when you finally realize who this is...you will cry like you've never cried before...and I'll be the one laughing....

...you cannot heal a wound until you make one.

The Law of Dissonance. Only, I don't have to Make your wound for you...

...I just have to point at the one you're trying to cover up with your antics on this site, your excuses why you don't want to do what you don't want to do, and to what end??? Who profits from the misery and misfortune inflicted onto others?

...the same person reading this message. :|

also, not your personal army. Die in a fire. :3

Oh yeah? Well, all you need is faith, hope and love!

faith, it exists even when it isn't noticeable;
hope, the absence of it is the purpose for it;
and love, a reality without it is what makes everything possible.

In the end, these are your rewards, faith, hope, and love. =]

/thread

>>29
Why would I cry if I realised I could do what ever I want?

>>31
mkay

>>31
could do -> for you
doing -> for me

there is a difference. 2x Point of views; possibility for you, state of being for me. :3

>>33
and when the possibilty becomes my state of being, it's a sad thing?

>>34
Listen, I'm not here to live your life for you. Some things just can't be taught. They have to be lived in order to be understood.

And as for crying, who said anything about being sad? Ever heard of crying out of joy? :/

all obligatory statements at me are projections of yourself from yourself at me.

also, not your personal army
die in a fire
Thank you and have a wonderful day. :3

/thread

>>6

Is this for real?

>>6

The concept of "force" is just a way to quantitatively express interactions. Nothing more, nothing less. Get over it.

>>21
also, when it comes to "balance" this balance is also unstable. If you notice how ions can be loose like as in acid and tight as in alkaline base, you can see that most atomic elements are unstable on one both ends of the spectrum where iron Fe is located about center with the greatest amount of stability.

Don't you guise even watch science channel as a place to start so you can look this stuff up later on? What do you guise do all day? Wait for someone to speak at a convention and then decide to act? Let me guess, you take what you read on /sci/ and look that up as well, amirite? Or do you actually think because you haven't taken any science class above high-school level you think you an explain away quantum mechanics and atomic physics. Who would be that arrogant? :/

srsly, that's just plain laziness, either that or you'd better be quadriplegic. :/

>>37
this ^ infinite

all else is normal /sci/ bullshit. :/

I would like to see how people take a geometric infinitude approach to the fources. :/

Oh yeah, and don't give me the bullshit confidence trick about "...supplies are limited."

The Law of Scarcity: When supplies are limited; people will buy what they don't want, need, and they will be back to see if they can get more "while supplies last."

:/

Also, this is the Oil "crisis" <scarcity tactics we are facing right now. :/

What's next? Air? <global warming :/

It's sad when people become predictable. :/