Don't get me wrong I'm a very compassionate and fair man, but the rest of the world doesn't seem to be. Isn't it compassionate and fair that I give to them what they've given to me? Anger and hatred? The only difference is I have a reason to be angry and hateful, they never had a reason. So I've been thinking, do you think I should start worshipping evil Norse or Greek Gods?
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This is a peronsally contraversional subject you're investigating. I would like to inquire of you your scientific, biological, religious, psychology education and understanding as this is just a fraction of understanding that can be utilized in order to discover what YOUR course of action should be. The choice will be solely up to you, but the deciding factors and evidence and ideology will come from what you know. I would insert that perhaps just as you have inquired this idea that turning everything you know into questions and thus, you will be able to use your faith, religion, beliefs, dogmas to a scientific research and learning abilities. I could state my beliefs, but what does that have to do with you? The only true thing that can come from it is what information you could use for yourself and what level of pride your informant possesses. If I had to give you advice as to better research I would suggest looking into Wikipedia.org because of cross-referencing and further explanations. If you are looking for a direct answer you already have it, but from what you have done with this question is now you are challenging your current beliefs, and that can be a very powerful thing. It is my personal vantage point that religion and science go hand in hand such as Yin and Yang. But how I way my percetion is vastly different than most. I way it with the flexibility and privilege due to it on account that I am human and therefore fallible (meaning I might be wrong). Whether you take this information and use it and than form from what you know and what you learned to form a hybrid is completely up to you. I have researched the Ego, the ID, The Shadow (repressed thoughts), self-awareness, self-preservation, potential energy, kinetic energy, perception, inhibition of return. And from these I have come to my own conclusions, but now comes the practice of instilling the ideas I have learned as in (knowledge = 1%) + (no practice = 0%) = 100% ignorance (meaning to ignore, discard, forget, no interest)
however (knowledge = 1%) + (practice = 98%) + (idea of potentialiality = 1%) = 100% Wisdom. But on a truely scientific level these are merely hypotheses that I utilize in order to be less wrong, whereas my beliefs or what I already know or believe I know to be true and false is my way of being almost right if not right on. The idea of belief without practice and experimentation is only to the benefit of the Ego, whereas the idea of science with belief will be a revelation of the self-awareness that the ego is actually the human component barely recognized as seperate from conscious choice as the sole beneficiary of self-preservation. And now you have some information from my perceptions and what I believe and what my path to enlightenment or self-awareness or transcendence really is. For me life is learning who and what I am.
"To thine own self be true." -William Shakespear
"The greatest thing the devil ever did was convincing the world that he doesn't exist" -common saying
It's up to you what you want and whether or not you're going to choose to disobay your ego or acquiesce to it. Most people I discuss this idea of mine that I, research and come to multitudes of conclusive practice points, experiment with are largely dismissed as me just being wrong, and that is my way of identifying that someone is using their ego against me that they are completely ignorant of its happening. Good Luck to you.
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Anonymous2008-04-30 19:34
I should rephrase the previous statement, "The greatest trick the devil continuously pulls is convincing each and everyone of us that he is and always will be you."
Also, some further interesting reading is the root of segregation, scapegoating, blame, the crucifiction, also adam and eve after the first temptation. I've recognized frightening similarities between these and the ego and self-awareness. Like what the tree in the center of the garden of eden, referenced as The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, symbolizes to myself and potentially to many others as yet unknown to me; is the birth of the ability of self-awareness in the human condition. It doesn't matter to me that it is symbolized in the form of a tree in the "good book", but that its references are strikingly similar to my research into the human condition. I have discovered to my own revelation that there are a lot of things going on around us that we just do not see or sense or pick up on and this is due highly to us not being able to segregate the overwhelming factors of life ie it appears "chaotic". But if you study atoms you'll find that they each have their own characteristics, potentials and opportunities; and along with that they each have their own nature as an individual atom. Take for instance oxygen is symbolized by O2 (meaning two oxygens combined = dioxide) and hydrogen is symbolized as H (meaning 1 hydrogen) when oxygen and hydrogen come together you might suspect that you would get Hydrogen + dioxide = hydrogen Dioxide but in fact (to my level of understanding) you actually get water symbolized as H2O (meaning two hydrogens and one oxygen = Di-hydrogen Oxide) and while on this small level you can see that there is a basic nature and basic result given opportunity and the nature of potential energies of the atom. But what do you do when dealing with people? Well, how many atoms make up chromosomes? How many chromosomes make up a molecule? how many molecules make up a cell? how many cells make up the multitudes of bone, tissue, muscle, neuro-transmitters? Are you beginning to see the idea that I'm attempting piss-poorly to describe? On very rudamentary levels it is observable that everything has a basic fundamental almost absolute nature, but when that accumulates into a larger function and still uses rudamentary chemicals and atoms to facilitate the function you get a relative nature to each individual. This is about as far as my very loose understanding goes up to now, but through putting my words on this and other discussion boards I hope that there will be some who recognize this as a "potential" HOLY SHIT I HIT PAY DIRT! type of epiphany such as I am beginning to understand as I do with each of my chemical to cell reactions (emotions). So, I always hold out hope for human nature as well as trust in human nature. From this I only have to think about the person's relative nature (their identity); Ego = chauffeur or Individual = chauffeur-ego as backseat driver.
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Anonymous2008-04-30 20:21
do a will check
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Anonymous2008-04-30 20:41
If someone wishes to debate you on faith, belief, or religion please have them reference the intangibile nature of faith, belief, and religion along with the text-book definition of debate. They essentially have no argument and are pathetically attempting to negotiate the terms of your surrender. Surrender to what? Where's the threat? Words? Of course, when you use this understanding against someone who is gowding you into surrendering you need only confound them and in the same breath stand your ground. Doing this my practice for combating my ego, cause my ego would really like to stomp them into the ground or acquiesce to be safe. I would rather confound that person's ego just as practice with mine.
"Know thyself and you shall know the Universe and of its workings"
"What we have here is a failure to communicate." My symbols don't match your symbols even though the reference is essentially similar. This is grounds for a witch hunt. Imagine it as though each individual has their own dictionary and while many have similar words matchin similar meanings, a vast majority have similar words with different meaning and contextual usages. It is from this observation, [communication, cooperation](unification), and segregation (recognizing differences)that I find myself bombarded with epiphany after epiphany that Truth and Lie; Good and Evil; Heaven and Hell is all a matter of personal perception. I have the idea that possibly when we are attacked or confronted with conflict we forget or ignore the internal conflict and project the self-preserving features of the ego (the ego's vested interest is preserving itself and its environment, ie the human body). I'm not going to debate whether or not this is all true, because it's not scientific to debate ideas, faith, or personal beliefs; perhaps only to discuss them is the best way to understand the other person and, in doing so, yourself. I have already begun a scientific experiment around self-awareness, segregation, religion, and science. My faith has brought me down to the understanding of ONE idea that is consistantly pronounced through every idea I have and helps me to combat my ego just a little at a time. "Potential" From my perception potential is in the future meaning the outcome of potential is as yet unseen only possible via my activities of the past, and I can observe the reactions of these activities in the present. The way I believe it stands for myself is Future/Potential/Self-Awareness; Present/Kinetic/Self-Preservation; Past/History/Self-Reflection. With the information I've gathered, I am attempting to perform Self-Awareness activities so the potential for Transcendence or Enlightenment or Self-Awareness will be greater and thereby highly increasing the chances and opportunity and potentials for further exploration and experimentation and further uncover means and methods of self-preservation. When you perform an action that sets you currently in a anxiety-based environment and you are not able to observe a clear and present danger, what danger can come from performing the needed potential-increasing task? It is from this that I have looked at a variety of reactions through conversation, chemical, atomic, cellular, and human interactions that if we are able to visualize, using our imaginations, potential of everything we may have a better chance at coming closer to the idea of what a creator really is. Purhaps one who creates the opportunity, time, place, and materials may in fact be the action of energy when combined with potential interaction the following basic potentials of everything (|Destruction|<----Decay----|Creation|---Adaptation---->|Potentiality|. It is my hope then that Science and Faith will become close friends, but perhaps not for some time. Too many distractions have occured in the past 100 years alone to shield our eyes from ourselves. I wonder what choice you'll make sir, regarding the "Dark Lord" or perhaps "God" of Jews or "Jesus" of Christianity or possibly the "Eternal Path;Eternal Law" as in Sanatana Dharma Hinduism. For myself, I have chosen to keep myself seperate of other people's ideas, but utilize their ideas to support my own through commonalities such as scapegoating and the ego projecting its destructive capabilities onto others and blame them, destroy them such as with Jesus on the Cross, such as Cain blaming God for him having to kill his own flesh and blood in order to appease God when it was Cain's personal choice to do so. Also, in the garden of eden with the tree and the fruit and the snake, what happened after the temptation? Adam was approached by God and querried as to his actions of hiding his nakedness and upon God having the epiphany that, the only way someone becomes aware is by eating of the fruit from the tree, Adam had eaten the fruit from the tree and upon this Adam retorted, "It was Eve who tempted me into eating the fruit, and upon God confronting Eve the like happened but that Adamn did not tempt her, and Adam had betrayed her trust by blaming her, she blamed the snake; the original tempter. And so, with most signs of the devil you will notice that there is a goat of some sort representing the scapegoat or the goat of baphomet, you may also realize that there is a five-pointed star representing the five senses or five fingers on the hand. Notice that this star cannot be seperated, but it can be identified from it's use of symbology. What about the Star of David? The Star of David can be seperated and represents the male and female that is inherent in each and everyone of us, but can be seperated as with mother and father, combined makes child (solitary individual). This is the only means of explanation I am able to provide, but further research must come from myself, and has the "POTENTIAL" to come from others should they find the idea interesting and wish to become involved in Self-Fulfillment. These are supporting ideas, religions, common denominators that support my Hypothesis of (1). It is possible that this idea may lead to my own discovery that this is the representation that was proposed as the idea behind monotheism as in "One God"; but truly that is my own speculation and I won't prescribe to anything until I further my research and purhaps, with time, place, opportunity and providing potential I may find that all religions to some degree support the understandings of Self and (1). Perhaps, I may even be wrong..."To err is human", but who is to say? I believe only I may say whether my ideas are right or wrong as they are not based solely off of a tangible substance, but rather the potential of the same. Whether or not I am right, you are not wrong to agree or disagree, but do not think for a second I will acquiesce to ignorant requests of proof of an idea. I am not here to convince the world of my "Rightness". I'm here to prove to myself of my "Wrongness". Whatever small differences or inconsistencies may occur within my statements isn't the cohesive, coallescent, context of what I've been saying, but it's a good tactic to use to get away from potentiality of "Wrongness". Shame, Fear, Shock; all great emotions perhaps missused and anger and denial and hateful words with the context of "You don't exist, so shut the fuck up and leave me the fuck alone" tone written all over them. I am going to write a book about all of this, but first I'm doing the research up till that. So please, do us both a favor and do what you want using your own words and your own choices and your own voice. YOU EXIST! YOU DESERVE EVERYTHING YOU DESIRE! YOU MATTER! YOU ARE SOMEBODY! YOU ARE. The question for you is, "Do you believe..." ...in yourself.
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Do you really think anyone reads the novella's that your psts are?
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Anonymous2008-04-30 21:19
Not really, I just do it to know that my ideas are in the digital world and retrievable for future reference. I'm actually just getting thoughts out of my head so I can move forward. Whether or not someone reads them or not is entirely up to them and I really don't care one way or the other. They're my ideas, they only matter to me. Think of me like the guy ranting about, "the sins of the knowledged will be the fruits of decadence and division of all people and the meek shall inherit the earth." I really couldn't care whether or not you act, all I need to do is put my ideas into the realm of potential influence. There, my job is done. I'm not here to change you minds or to prove you right or wrong, I'm just putting my penny into the penny jar. What other's do with what I GIVE them is entirely up to them, and the same goes for life. I rest my case.