This thread would probably be a good spot to post ideas and reasonable explanations as to why it is futile to ask for evidence or proof in a text-based Board; but more importantly should asking for proof or evidence take the place of actual first-hand research? Moreover, should inability to observe or measure a potentially viable event be the closing of the book on the IDEA that it supports or should it be dismissed as non-existent. Basically, should we use our imagination to discover the unknown and become self-aware, or rely solely on observation and measurements to continue our exploration into our already rich and fulfilling lives?
Once again, trying to displace the importance of EVIDENCE is fairly deranged and demonstrates a strong mental illness.
Conclusions follow from EVIDENCE, not from wishing and belief.
Sure, as non-researchers for the most part, most of us have to rely on disconnected systems which produce the evidence by which we rationally conclude things. However, society cannot run on a bunch of scientists establishing everything for themselves. It's the aggregate that's important, and roundly educated men can tell the difference between sound results and outright bullshit. Over time, even the subtle bullshit gets weeded out, as falsehoods are exposed and subject to rightful concentration and derision.
As our culture comes to value emotive news over more concrete news, it becomes easier for your type of fuckfag to dispense wishful garbage as factual. In effect, you're POISONING our belief systems with illogical nonsense. A real, rational society should have by now laughed you off this message board, and hopefully into a Lithium-based treatment program so that your mental illness could receive the help it deserves. But the level of rationality in our society is steadily decaying, and the rational and learned men like myself are effectively falling at the gates of Stalingrad. The metaphorical city might be saved, this time, but our very lives will be sacrificed for it. And it's just to stop people like YOU -- the barbarians screaming at the gate.
Still can't see past your own immediacies, can you RedEyes. Why is it that YOU query from US for EVIDENCE of YOUR OWN NEEDED inquiry instead of RESEARCHING it from MULTIPLE SOURCES and come to a sensible conclusion, which invariably is just one rung on the ladder. A-HOLE! Stop fucking around, start doing your own work, stop trying to steal everyone elses ideas and claiming them as your own you self-indulgent sow! Do you remember in school when the teacher would ask the class not to CHEAT by not asking others to PROVIDE answers to those unwilling to LOOK for themselves? Hmm, who fits that bill? JACK-OFF! S'cuse me, that's the tarrettes talking. I mean what more do YOU NEED from US? Proof of your own existence? Proof of something you yourself can't prove or disprove. I could ask you to prove to us without the use of a telescope that Mar's exists. If you attempt to pursuade via pictures, I have some nice photoshop programs that can immitate the same. So, please, do us all a favor, shut the fuck up about providing proof to your childish inqueries about something your yourself wont' investigate you lazy decadent decaying hanta virus! You don't understand, it's not that the Barbarians screaming at the gate didn't want evidence, it's that we as scientists could YET provide them with it, hence our human history and potential future. THE END GOOD BUY!
*patiently awaiting SkinCream to proofread my error filled message, and reply using these as PROOF of my own unsatisfactory credibility.* Hmm, let's see how about, "...we as scientists could(n't) YET provide them with it,..." or previously, "...something you<r> yourself won(')t<'> investigate..." Please RedCream, be fair, this place is only a DISCUSSION board and not a board of INQUIRY!!! This isn't the modern day spanish inquisition! C'Mon! Wake up, smell the smog, this is the future, not the 1600's. All I am ever doing by what ever means I may is to provide and insite people with ideas to investigate ON THEIR OWN!!! Those that willing accept these ideas as truths or lies without investigating either plant the idea in their mind as DOGMA by acceptance or DENY and repress. That is the sad state of the world, and those that don't see it as sad are probably so deeply emersed within their own dogma and other's delusions and ILLUSIONS that they themselves can't see the forest for the trees. So please, RedScat, be a TEAM player and start contributing, and stop DENY DENY DENYing all over creation cause no one really knows; your way just has to be RIGHT! BTW, kuddos to supporting my primary idea of identifying why it's important to use "Anonymous" in the post as opposed to "RedCream" it's to seperate you from direct attack and self-implication. Read the 5th amendment, IF YOU DARE!!!
Permit me to CAPITALIZE my every fifth word like a FOURTEEN year old, worried at the prospect that a reader might not grasp the intended INFLECTION of my prose without said CAPITALIZATION.
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Why will lives be sacrificed? I see no need for human sacrifice in the near future, and I don't think anybody is going to die trying to stop religious nonsense. I'm assuming of course, that you're not going to intentionally go to the Bible belt and provoke a lynch mob.
>>4
You could use more patience. There is no need for excess exaggeration; he's obviously not treating you like the inquisition.
We're all lazy; the whole point of a discussion board is to share ideas, not to do everything ourselves.
Retard: Why can't I MAKE any random statement and HAVE it accepted without PROOF? It's NOT fair that YOU don't swallow my BULLSHIT and THAT you ask me to back IT up.
Shit For Brains: The NEED for evidence is SO obvious that I will INSULT you instead of explaining WHY, because that's what RATIONAL people do. I am SO fucking rational that I DON'T need TO give a rational REASON. Instead I will throw around some WORDS about mental diseases and BARBARIANS.
>>6
Are you for real? So we can cum up with great ideas, discuss them, but we can't or shouldn't do any work to support our own or other's ideas? Jeez, that's what original religious nuts used to do in the dark ages, try to prove someone or your idea by experimentation and Poof up in smoke and flame. The difference nowadays is that it's mostly people putting you down. Until you finally give up. And die in shame
>>14
Physics and math professors frequently neglect little details in their derivations. "it's left as an excercise to you". I guess what they're teaching is not scentific at all.
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AnOnYmOuS 2U2008-05-03 7:47
>>15
It's unscientific exactly when I can't do the exercise.
>>19, well, it depend how you use the book. Do you use it for absolute proof? Do you use it learn? Do you use it for inspiration or asperations? Everything has its advantages and disadvantages, so really how would you utilize a $230 dollar book if it's not exactly what you were wanting to use it for? Perhaps that this incident occured you are a little bit more aware of the state of who you are, but what's really wrong with that state? Everyone needs to have a point of origin to measure from or else it remains relatively impossible to measure. What I'm talking about is Self-Awareness, communication, and cooperation. Right now, I'm learning what it means to "pass the torch" using communication. An example would be just as I'm about to do at the end of this post. And having read all this about my point of view, what is your opinion on this matter? Anyone?
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AnOnYmOuS 2U 2008-05-04 16:44
I would like to apologize to everyone regarding all of my posts, while I have an over-abundance of ideas, I do often post with a over-abundance of exhileration when it comes to people hearing about my ideas, but I had taken little note as to the validity to which I was speaking and the context as well. I've picked up on some ideas when it comes to quite a bit of study, communication, cooperation, and writing as well. It has to do with using "chain-of-custody" which is the method of exchange for evidence amongst law-enforcement agencies and court-houses. I find that this utilized, but more flexibly through calmness and consideration towards the receiver is still just an idea to use in conversation, but I'm beginning to see the associative properties that can be used in many areas. To be considerate of the transmitter and receiver respectively. I would like to hear some opinions regarding this idea and perceptions of anyone who understands and utilizes this similar method or perhaps a revision of their own method. Does anyone have some insites into this field?
>>24, use the threads listed at the top to pick which topic you would like to discuss or contribute ideas or sources to and vice-versa you will be able to read and get better ideas of what you are looking for. Perhaps just for a bit of text-to-text communication?