Given that 0 x 0 = 0 and 1 x 1 = 1, it follows that there are numbers that are thier own squares. But then it follows in turn that there are numbers. In a single step of artless simplicity, we seem to have advanced from a piece of elementary arithmetic to a startling and highly controversial philosophical conclusion: that numbers exsist. You would have thought that it should have been more difficult. A.W.Moore reviewing Realistic Rationalism
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He's on about Realistic Rationalism, of course. This is a branch of Rationalism, the worship of numbers expressible by a fraction, where they prefer to express their objects of worship with infinite decimal represenations.
It should not be confused with Rationalistic Realism, where practitioners frequently go insane trying to represent points on an infinite number line as a ratio of two integers.
Ah, jeez. Ok students, let's start class.
First lesson, what are numbers?
Numbers in and of themselves are a mere symbol for a method of measurement; something that in and of itself is intangible, but with the symbology of numbers is now made visually applicable and not mysticized by imagination or rationalized thinking. The same goes for letters and the like, so you need only think of something intangible, symbolize it by whatever methodology and vwalla! Instant visual perceptability. Do you see? Numbers only exist as symbols, but they exist because a person created not only a method by which to use them, but a symbol by which to mark them. How'm I doin' so far? Any questions?
Ok, Next lesson.
Some people may say or deny that these statements are false, but they have very little argument when it comes down to the final blows. Yes, humans created numbers and a method with which to use them, but the common denominators or common factors existed long before this was made possible, so what was created was to measure something that already pre-dated this human invention.
Thank you, you have been a great class. Post any question you have, and those that I am able to answer I will and those that I can't I will post that I am unable to answer that due to lack of understanding in that field.
Jeez, I feel like I'm talking to children. *assuming that we are all adults in this forum* dicks and buttholes, yeah, that kind of talk'll win over the ladies, *Hoo-Hoo-Hoo, Haaah-Haaah!* I give you information and you toss it away like it's nothing, you don't even give it a second thought. Jeez, I should have known better than to argue with ignorance, you can't beat ignorance you'll always loose. There ya go fellas, you win, you're right, you are all geniuses and are hereby pronounced as popular idols to worship. See how much attention you're getting from me alone?
Ah, jeez, even I fell for that one just now! You can't give evidence of the reality of numbers using numbers, that's rhetorical non-sequitor. That's why I use symbology. God damn it all.
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Anonymous2008-04-28 8:34
Numbers are a construct of the human mind. They do not exist in and of themselves, niggers.
Hell, you can't even adequately provide proof via any form of symbology alone anyway, it's a fool's errand and only fools prescribe to this level of intellect. Here's another example; When you have an idea what do you use to prove that idea? Sounds from vocals to communicate, letters to form words to be read and interpretted. This is how I and some small number of people see things; Idea(intangible and unmeasurable)->Use of Symbology and Tools->Tangible speculation and conjecture. All numbers are is a way to measure commonly recurring events. Unfortunately we are still in the dark ages and don't fully grasp this within ourselves hence the decay of our current world condition. Yup, that's true democracy for ya 90% against 10% is a little frightening when you are talking about the revelation of true human conditions upon people that are ashamed and repressive of these conditions.
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Anonymous2008-04-28 19:26
All numbers are is a way to measure commonly recurring events
What do you mean by measure and what do you mean by event?
Tomato toma-to; potato pota-to. Jeez, need any further explanation? Ok, did you known that the space which you inhabit shifts everytime you shift? How do you measure the distance of that shift even more so with the shift of everything else around you. It's all relative to position. One inch for me is a million to a microbe. The use of numbers is like I said, "A recurring event" meaning, distance, time, matter have recurring features within them. An oxygen atom only knows it's an oxygen atom, but it doesn't realize that it is surrounded by more oxygen atoms because it's not self aware and of a very minut size. I hope you guys are keeping up with this, cause my arms are getting tired of typing the same thing over and over and over again and still getting, "What do you mean by measure, what do you mean by event" Ever heard of association? What is a horse? a horse is a horse, right? Well, what is it to a japanese person, an Uma. This is the common mis-association that people make, same object, different name. So figure it out for yourself. How do you measure one? Well, there has to be some sort of existential and observable entity of whatever sort without it, the determination is zero. But for me, zero is too final as it closes the chapter to the story just cause we can't see it. Well, like my previous postulate to RedCream, prove the existence of the ID, the Ego, the Consciousness and dreams, we can only do so through association of commonly recurring events or factors or whatever. The number system itself was an invention of man!!!! But man can become aware of certain things; what existed and still continues to exist are these commonly recurring events, we measure them and count them with each re-currance, hence time, hence distance, hence money, hence everything that commonly reccurs. Please understand, all I can do is describe what a horse looks like and behaves, you have to give it your own associative name and understanding from your own observations. That's all I have been saying throughout all of my posts. Stop waisting your time here like me and get out and start using the tools that are available to grow into who you really are meant to be. If you want to wait for me to lead by example, give me 3 more years and I'll be on tours doing book signings and lectures on these understandings. It's not about being right, it's about understanding of our vulnerable human nature. Well if you see 1 zebra here and 1 zebra there you have 2 zebras, correct, but how do you classify them as the same entity. THEY ARE NOT!!! They only have the observable appearances of this, then we begin to break down the differences like gender, race, religion, poltics, age. We are so divided because we divide ourselves, we never truly realize that we are still connected even when we are able to visualize in our imagination of these commonly re-curring divided entities. Jeez, yeah, I know each one is different, but how are they different. Mark them from their atoms on up and you'll see from the points of absolutes to the points of relativity. And if I haven't wasted enough of your time with psycho-babble such as this entire idea of forums most certainly are being utilized, give us more time, we'll waste some of that too. Happy life-wasting.