i just think god is a figment of our imaginations, we want to believe in anal powerful being
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Anonymous2007-10-31 16:48
Trying to understand god using logic is like trying to build computer using stone axe.
Therefore GTFO all of you who bring these pointless religious discussions here. Grow the fuck up or go troll someone else.
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Finch2007-10-31 17:24
Humanity couldn't comprehend the reality of being completely alone, so they invented a Omnipotent and Omniscient figure that would relieve them of their mortal fears.
let me rephrase:
we pass reality through the filter of the psyche. there is no other way. what we accept as real is mere interpretation that occured at some level of the mind.
tl;dr
you see what you want (expect) to see.
after all, "people cannot stand too much reality".
>>19
Indeed.
This idea that we can't know reality because it's "filtered through the psyche" breaks down when you consider the fact that science works consistently and for everyone, so the only other option is that the entire world, including every other person, is just our (well, my, I suppose) imagination. That is, solipsism.
Most people realise solipsism is bullshit (and indeed a form of delusional paranoia), so postmodernist retards like >>17 rarely bring the argument to its logical conclusion.
The only reason they keep perpetuating it is because it gives them the illusion they have anything relevant to say on the topic of science while conveniently never having to do any work.
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Anonymous2007-11-07 11:25
since our reality is just in our heads, then everything exists to us, just in our minds, this is where you find God
I wouldn't take it to the extreme (like the wannabe troll >>21), but indeed we struggle with the discrepancy between observed (and it's interpretations) and actual reality. Science gives temporary explanations to phenomena that hold until better ones are given.
Cartesian skepticisam was not ment to make us dump entire knowledge to garbage but to raise awareness about the loose ends. To help science flourish by reminding us that there might be other (and possibly better) explanations etc...
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Anonymous2007-11-07 12:35
>>23
The problem with reminding people of the loose ends is that scientists are already keenly aware of them, and idiots grab on to it to attempt to validate their own crackpot theories, and to claim "revealed" knowledge and faith are as valid a way of approaching reality as science is.
Fact remains that science is the best approximation to reality we have, and that the scientific method is the only legitimate way to acquire more knowledge. I think that's more important to stress than the (self-evident) fact that we don't have absolute knowledge.
But wouldn't you agree that between knowledge (and theories and hypotheses) and raw reality, something else happens, something slightly outside the scope of the science (as of yet)? Something that demands that we take position about but we don't necessarily posses scientific tools.
And no, I'm not advising that we jump into religion right away, but just, take note of that aspect of our relation with reality for now.
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Anonymous2007-11-07 16:44
"Hey hey, my my
Rock and roll can never die
There's more to the picture
Than meets the eye.
Hey hey, my my."
The same goes for religion (not my cup of tea though). But why?
nb4: peepl are stupid and quote from that cockfag Dawkins
If God is scientific in nature, there must be physical proof of his existence; If God is mathematical in nature, there must be a well-posed theorem of his existence; if he is neither, then WHY THE BLOODY FUCKING HELL IS HE ON MY /SCI/!?
True. It tells us much about falsifiability (i.e. logic). Much more than about god, aliens, vampires and Eskimos.
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Anonymous2007-11-08 10:22
>>33
Does the unicorn happen to be invisible and pink?
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Anonymous2007-11-08 10:51
You know what I do when I see verbal exchange or physical confrontation where seven people are bullying one person? I join and help that one person because I have principles and ideals. Most people would probably join the seven because it's easier, they don't care for what's right. I believe in fairness, not bullying. In the outcome of it I probably would lose respect from those seven people and my reputation might get damaged. So what? You know what it's about for most people? Save yourself (or in this case reputation). Why risk it to defend someone who the multitude seems to dislike? I'll tell you why, because it's right.
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Anonymous2007-11-09 13:11
There is no god and youre all stupid. NERDS!!!!
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Anonymous2007-11-11 3:52
>>37
Your forgetting the evidence supporting your theory.
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Anonymous2007-11-11 7:36
>>38
For the first part: burden of proof is on the godfags.
I'll leave >>37 to defend the second part for himself.
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Anonymous2007-11-11 9:56
>>20
The only problem is that all of our working science encompasses only a small, infantecimal amount of reality.
>99% of the all the energy in the universe is unobservable to us, so just because something "works" all the times we've done it doesn't mean anything.
It is likely that reality is not just us dreaming. But it is also likely that reality is just us dreaming. However, it is much much more likely that reality and dream are one in the same.
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Anonymous2007-11-11 10:00
>>36
You're incomprehensible. Go define fairness and right, and then maybe you won't sound like a fucking idiot.
Oh and lol on "reputation" this is a fucking anonymous board you huge faggot. >>1
While we're at it, let's ask ourselves what the hell "real" is. What a bullshit word. "Real" yeah, real number? Fine. No God is most likely not a real number. But "real"? You sound like you're five.
>>40
Supporting evidence > rhetoric and misspellings.
Reality isn't necessarily infinite. If planck units are shown to be absolute, then there's necessarily a finite, but absolutely unfathomable amount of data.
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Anonymous2007-11-11 19:57
god(any god) is esencial a tool used to spread ideas and morals
as long as those ideas and morals jold and are linked to "god" god exist(in peoples minds and opininons)
for example if i became a representetive of some religion and said "god dosent exist get on with your lives" id probably be dead because of blind foloweres
so regardles wethere god(or gods) exist aslong as fools folow it it is is real and exists
(gods poweres grow with foloweres no foloweres=god dies(or so to speak))
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Anonymous2007-11-12 4:31
>>46
That's a retarded definition of "exists". If I believe in leprechauns and leave out saucers of milk for them every night, that doesn't make them exist either. The fact that an idea exists does not mean that the thing does as well.
Also, this idea that religion has anything to do with morals is outdated. You could maybe have made a case for that three or four thousand years ago, but not so much anymore today.
Religion is a tool by which people control other people, and nothing more.
Without evidence of any kind (and there should be LOADS of it), the religitards are effectively tossing semen into each other's open mouths. It's perverse and insular.
>>46
this dose not mean that god exists it means that as long as we think it exists god exists as a entiti created in the minds of people similar to luck
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Anonymous2007-11-15 5:22
Gilgamesh
/thread
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Anonymous2007-11-16 15:15
Refer to South Park's: Imagination Land, Episodes 1-3.
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Anonymous2007-11-17 5:56
hey guys, isn't it great we can pray to an invisible and omnipotent being with the ability to change stuff and help us? it sure would be really shitty if all this bad stuff was happening by chance and for no directed reason. It's all much better to know that we're being punished, or the devil is doing it, because it means we just need to dance harder and burn more virgins to get shit up and running smoothly again.
Not just for this thread.... refer to for any problem. A bible.
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Boopasaur2008-03-06 23:32
Since the majority of posts are slandering the religious rather than making cohesive arguments. I offer this: "Atheism is the realization that a deity of any kind would only further complicate our already limited understanding of the world around us without answering anything at all, not to be correlated with biogenesis, the big bang or evolution.