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Dawkins is the nigger of evolutionary biology

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-24 9:55

Why does he deny group selection?

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-24 10:08

'cause he's a bitch

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-24 10:35

Because group selection isn't actually happening. It is all based on gene interactions. Read the fucking book, The Selfish Gene and become a nihilist.


ps, you're a cockbag

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-24 11:55

>>3
Because group selection isn't actually happening.
That's what Dawkins says, hence I called him THE nigger of evolutionary biology. (I'd normally nominate Gould & the race denial squad, but no one takes them seriously any more. Sadly, Dawkins is.)
Humans can solve the free-rider problem through observation and enforcing compliance to group goals. Other animals, for the most part can't. All arguments against human group selection are thus rendered moot, and you can't compare human group selection to animal group selection like that faggot did.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-24 13:26


boo hoo nihilist = emo cry baby

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-24 13:42

GTFO

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-24 18:49

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Name: Anonymous 2007-10-25 8:37

>>7
You are severely retarded.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-26 16:55

>>9
NO U

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-27 7:50

>>10
Actually, you are.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-27 16:45

>>11
no ur severy retarded prove me wrong

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-27 18:02

>>11
You're an utter, utter faggot. Kill yourself, you underage motherfucker.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-27 18:58

>>12
Dawkins' theory does not negate race and racial differences at all, it just negates logic and history. My being called a Stormfront faggot because of disagreeing with that dogmatic cunt is entirely irrational.
>>13
I've not been underage for a long time, sorry. As for killing myself, don't generalise, not everyone has a shitty life like yours.

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-28 20:35

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Name: Anonymous 2007-10-28 20:40

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Name: Anonymous 2007-10-28 20:42

>>1
Because you're a right-wing crackhead that only pretends to understand the scientific method??



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Name: Anonymous 2007-10-28 20:44

>>14
"group selection" LOLOLOL
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Name: Anonymous 2007-10-29 10:05

>>15 >>16 >>17 >>18
Same retarded faggot.
>>17
What has understanding the scientific method got to do with this? Of course I understand it. Also, I'm not right-wing as you claim.

So, do you claim that Dawkins denies group selection because I'm supposedly a right-wing crackhead that only pretends to understand the scientific method?
>18
Dawkins worshipper LOLOLOL

Anyway, sorry for asking this board. It should be renamed to just  'Maths.'

Name: Anonymous 2007-10-29 10:41

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Name: Anonymous 2007-10-29 18:03

>>19
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Name: Anonymous 2007-12-08 11:29

http://evolution.binghamton.edu/dswilson/resources/publications_resources/Rethinking%20sociobiology.pdf

E. O. Wilson: Rethinking the Theoretical Foundation of Sociobiology

The Quarterly Review of Biology December 2007 v.82, no.4

Abstract: Current sociobiology is in theoretical disarray, with a diversity of frameworks that are poorly related to each other. Part of the problem is a reluctance to revisit the pivotal events that took place during the 1960s, including the rejection of group selection and the development of alternative theoretical frame- works to explain the evolution of cooperative and altruistic behaviors. In this article, we take a “back to basics” approach, explaining what group selection is, why its rejection was regarded as so important, and how it has been revived based on a more careful formulation and subsequent research. Multilevel selection theory (including group selection) provides an elegant theoretical foundation for sociobiology in the future, once its turbulent past is appropriately understood.

Anyone jumping in defence of Dawkins the nigger now?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-08 13:11

BORG

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-08 13:48

>>22
E.O. Wilson is senile. You might as well bring out James Watson with regards to racial IQ differences.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-08 14:19

>>24
Not only is E. O. Wilson senile enough that he wrote a bad peer-reviewed study, but also every single recent study he references in support of his claims along with the consensus in academia is faulty as well, just so Dawkins is right?
Oh my, Dawkins is quite worshipped.
Anyway, the paper is excellent and anyone should read it to understand the debate on that and why Dawkins is a failure.

As for Watson's remarks, anything factually wrong with them? Human evolution didn't stop at the neck, you know. We can argue about that if you want.
Of course, there's a shorter way.
Go here, read, weep:
http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/james-watson-tells-inconvenient-truth_296.php
I win.

Name: RedCream 2007-12-09 7:56

Western culture cannot admit Wilson's ideas have any merit since there is a significant underclass of Mud People who would riot uncontrollably if the popular culture ever established them as being mentally retarded on average.

You fuckers KNOW this is true.  You're as afraid of the consequences of such honesty as any of the elite are.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-09 14:11

>>25
YHBT etc.
You'd be more credible if you weren't so incredibly defensive. Your insecurities are showing.

And we had a racism thread recently. Look for it. Your arguments were debunked quite thoroughly.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-10 23:19

Isn't sociobiology really just a psuedo-science anyways?  I mean it's all incredibly subjective...good for explaining what happened maybe, but certainly not yet able to make any predictions as far as social behavior.


>>25
And...dude...yeah there is a lot of stuff factually wrong with Watson's remarks.  Just because you didn't bother to look into it because they agreed with your beliefs doesn't mean that he was right. 

Besides Watson and Crick basically stole their findings from Rosalind Franklin. 

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-10 23:37

>>28
Sociobiology is essentially evolutionary psychology without the pseudoscience.
It's a pity evolutionary psychology is plagued by pseudoscientific morons, because the field has a lot of potential. I guess that's to be expected, though, since it's as much a child of psychology as it is of biology.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-11 14:32

Not >>25, but here goes:
>>27
You'd be more credible if you weren't so incredibly defensive. Your insecurities are showing.
Is that a real argument? I have no insecurities about the existence of human biodiversity, and neither did that guy.
And we had a racism thread recently. Look for it. Your arguments were debunked quite thoroughly.
Link it, use the arguments again, or GTFO. However, don't bother if it's the usual retarded leftist arguments.
>>28
Isn't sociobiology really just a psuedo-science anyways?  I mean it's all incredibly subjective...good for explaining what happened maybe, but certainly not yet able to make any predictions as far as social behavior.
What >>29 said.
And...dude...yeah there is a lot of stuff factually wrong with Watson's remarks.  Just because you didn't bother to look into it because they agreed with your beliefs doesn't mean that he was right.
I "looked into it," I read most peer reviewed papers on intelligence. What's wrong with the link that guy had posted? It basically deals with everything.
Besides Watson and Crick basically stole their findings from Rosalind Franklin.
Oh wow, lies and Jew worship from the media who had aimed to crucify Watson for making scientifically accurate but politically incorrect remarks. Suddenly, once he made a remark that the Left doesn't like, he becomes a shoddy researcher who stole their findings from a Jew. We truly live in an age of intellectual blight...
I have seen in another smear version that he's 1/8 Black... Whatever their point was.
>>29
Signed, recently they have made advancements though.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-11 19:36

Suddenly, once he made a remark that the Left doesn't like, he becomes a shoddy researcher who stole their findings from a Jew.
You've never read anything Watson himself has written on the subject of "his" early DNA research, have you?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-12 1:37

>>30
I know you're just trolling, but I'll respond anyhow as though you weren't on the chance that you'll actually help make my point.

Saying you read most peer reviewed papers on intelligence says absolutely nothing as to the credibility of your arguments.  Unless you're planning on citing them, don't bother trying to bludgeon people with the fact that you think you know a lot.

The article that was being considered was written by a blogger who had read Watson's books, which does not make him an expert on the subject, or at least not a credible expert on the subject of genetics, and more specifically what Watson was trying to say.  The reason the scientific community at large shunned those remarks is because Watson was trying to say that being black had a causal effect on the intelligence of the individual.  So far as I know, there is no such link, and none has been shown by any valid research.  Scientifically this means that an important genetecist cannot get up and say, without negative consequences, that it's true, and that social policy should be formed around that fact, which is exactly what Watson did, and why he deserves to lose respect for it.

As per your last bit about the facts surrounding the modeling of the DNA molecule - I never said anything about his research, and I didn't know Franklin was a Jew (which isn't important unless you're a bigot).  This is just knowledge I had off the top of my head about the history of the DNA molecule - it may be slightly innaccurate.  I'm not trying to smear him, but I don't think his comments are defensible for someone in his position.  I don't know anything about him being 1/8 black either, nor do I care if he's 100% black.  What he said was opinionated gibberish based on innaccurate interpretation of data.  That's bad science, and if he's going to say it's good science, then he's going to lose the respect of the scientific community. 

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-12 9:12

>>31
I must admit I didn't, but I know what happened and I know that allegations that he stole anything are ridiculous and a smear against one of the world's greatest scientists.
http://www.nature.com/nature/dna50/watsoncrick.pdf
The paper is here, and as you can read he cites Rosalind Franklin's unpublished works. I know that he once stated that she might have been first, if she had not been foolish about not working with someone else.

So, since you did read them (I take it that's so), did he say something along the lines of:
Besides Watson and Crick basically stole their findings from Rosalind Franklin.
or is that a ridiculous straw man for "her worked has helped us"?
>>32
I know you're just trolling, but I'll respond anyhow as though you weren't on the chance that you'll actually help make my point.
I also think egalitarians are trolling, their position is ridiculous.
Saying you read most peer reviewed papers on intelligence says absolutely nothing as to the credibility of your arguments.  Unless you're planning on citing them, don't bother trying to bludgeon people with the fact that you think you know a lot.
Fair enough.
The article that was being considered was written by a blogger [...] trying to say.
1) You don't know what GNXP is. Get a clue.
2) Did you even read the article? He was talking about the shitstorm when he mentioned that he wrote ideas along the same lines in his book. The rest of the article is about corroborating his points with data.
The reason the scientific community at large shunned those remarks is because Watson was trying to say that being black had a causal effect on the intelligence of the individual.
The reason is political correctness and Marxism in academia. The scientific community claims are dealt with in the article.
So far as I know, there is no such link, and none has been shown by any valid research.
Is 100 years of mental testing irrelevant, then? They consistently show a gap between Blacks and Whites. Libfags blame it on culture, because they have no clue what IQ tests measure, namely the innate ability to do cognitively complex tasks unrelated to knowledge (see "The g Factor: the Science of Mental Abilities", Arthur R. Jensen, Westport, CN: Praeger, 1998), or they are in denial.
Oh, I see, you can dismiss anything you don't like as invalid, clever. Studies are cited in the GNXP post, but I can deliver more if you want. Mental testing has NEVER pointed towards equality in intelligence, and people who claim it's culturally biased or measures "culture" are fucking insane and looking for excuses.
Scientifically this means that an important genetecist cannot get up and say, without negative consequences, that it's true, and that social policy should be formed around that fact, which is exactly what Watson did, and why he deserves to lose respect for it.
Heresy, oh wow. Especially bad when it's someone important. Oh well, no one is safe any more.
As per [...] I'm not trying to smear him, but I don't think his comments are defensible for someone in his position.
You fucking said that they stole their findings, so you did smear him. For someone in his position, it would be a shame to be silenced due to political correctness. Considering the state of filth that academia is in right now, it's not surprising this happens.
His comments are very defensible, check out the GNXP post. Let me know if you have any questions afterwards.
I don't know anything about him being 1/8 black either, nor do I care if he's 100% black. 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article3022190.ece
What he said was opinionated gibberish based on innaccurate interpretation of data.
So you mean the fact that he attributes racial differences in IQ to mostly racial differences and not "culture" makes him inaccurate? Or do you deny that the gap exists?
That's bad science, and if he's going to say it's good science, then he's going to lose the respect of the scientific community.
Bad science is what his critics are doing.
In before:
1) Races don't exist(, the only difference being skin colour).
2) Intelligence can't be measured, but it would show that evolution stopped at the neck to satisfy my ideology.
3) Intelligence can be measured, but is biased due to culture else it would show everyone equal.
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All dealt with in the GNXP post.

Anyway, one more question. Would genes regulating intelligence being found, and their having different frequencies in different races be enough to destroy your idiocy? Not that we need them, since consistent mental testing results are enough. Or are you pulling an "irreducible complexity" creationist argument?

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-12 15:55

Okay, so you start off with Franklin, explaining that Watson cites one of her unpublished works, a work that was published in the SAME issue of Nature, with a co-author, which just happened to be the main evidence for the structure of the DNA molecule...seem a bit odd to you?  And basically, yes, I think Watson is given a lot more credit than he ever deserved, but that's normal in the politics of science, so who cares?

So...I read the article - and it was a huge waste of time.  This is why I hate the "blogosphere".  These people could do with a LOT of editing, as he contradicts himself from section to section, cites dubious articles to make his main points while using out of context quotes from legitimate papers to try to strengthen his specious reasoning and far reaching conclusions - in essence exactly what I thought the article would be, except longer, and all the while the evidence points in the exact opposite direction.

Oh...did I mention that his points are all founded on psychology by PhD's in psycholology?  I think there are 2 geneticists he actually quotes in that damn article, and it's just to attack their character, rather than their work.  If that's the kind of crap that GNXP allows on their boards I'm glad I haven't heard of it, cause it's a huge waste of time.

And all the dealing this guy does?  Each argument he makes can be invalidated by the simple assertion that the research he quotes provides only correlations, not causations.  The difference is that correlations don't necessarily mean anything, but they might, and more study is needed.  I agree that more study is needed, as nothing has been conclusively shown.

Your style of writing reminds me a lot of the bloggers.  Lots of name calling and generally dismissive posturing backed by spurious and unsupported evidence. 

Watson has done a lot for science, and genetics research, but any good scientist should know that you're only as good as your last theory.  I stand behind what I said, and I see no reason to change my opinion based on anything you've written.  Maybe you should look into some philosophy and social justice pieces.  I would recommend first a great study of misuse of statistical data titled: True But Wrong (forget author).  Then check out Mestizo Identity.  Very interesting takes on categorizations, how they're used, and how they came about.  Gives you a better idea of what you mean when you say "race".

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-12 17:07

>>34
The article that appeared in the same issue of Nature is another one than the unpublished work that the so called "controversy" was all about. It isn't odd at all, they fucking collaborated, though not directly. To say that they stole her findings is fucking lame, but let's leave it at that.
So...I read the article - and it was a huge waste of time.  This is why I hate the "blogosphere".
Again, you don't know what GNXP is. Saying it's merely part of the blogosphere just makes it look that you haven't read much of it. GNXP has even been praised to be more critical than peer review at times by the authors of several papers. The guys posting there are not random Internet morons.
These people could do with a LOT of editing, as he contradicts himself from section to section, cites dubious articles to make his main points while using out of context quotes from legitimate papers to try to strengthen his specious reasoning and far reaching conclusions - in essence exactly what I thought the article would be, except longer, and all the while the evidence points in the exact opposite direction.
... Way to NOT point out any specific flaw. Let's start, name the contradictions.
Oh...did I mention that his points are all founded on psychology by PhD's in psycholology [sic?]?
The intelligence bits, yes, of course. Psychometrics is a branch of psychology.
I think there are 2 geneticists he actually quotes in that damn article, and it's just to attack their character, rather than their work.
Just the first quote in the post by W.D. Hamilton falsifies your statement. The "RACE DOES NOT EXIST" section obviously has geneticists quoted. The vast majority of the GNXP posts are about genetics as well, and there are several which deal with race denial.
Read:
http://genetics.plosjournals.org/archive/1553-7404/1/6/pdf/10.1371_journal.pgen.0010070-L.pdf
http://www.as.wvu.edu/%7Edray/Papers/Witherspoon_et_al_2006_-_LINEs_and_human_populations.pdf
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1196372
http://genetics.plosjournals.org/archive/1553-7404/3/9/pdf/10.1371_journal.pgen.0030160-L.pdf
If you are going to quote-mine the first study for a politically correct statement, I'm going to lol. The reason they are saying that is that it greatly supports the concept.
If that's the kind of crap that GNXP allows on their boards I'm glad I haven't heard of it, cause it's a huge waste of time.
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And all the dealing this guy does?  Each argument he makes can be invalidated by the simple assertion that the research he quotes provides only correlations, not causations.
I thought I had asked for a distinct lack of liberal faggotry.
The difference is that correlations don't necessarily mean anything, but they might, and more study is needed.  I agree that more study is needed, as nothing has been conclusively shown.
Same shitty argument creationists make when denying evolution. Appeal to ignorance when ignorance is not due, fucking great.
How is your belief of equality (or your agnosticism of differences) FALSIFIABLE? Tell me now. More testing, until when? You and your ilk will stick your heads in the sand ad infinitum.

Can you imagine a world where your philosophy was applied consistently to all questions and not just selectively to ideas that you personally find objectionable?

Let's bear in mind too that the hypothesis of NO GROUP DIFFERENCES IN BEHAVIOUR OR INTELLIGENCE violates very elementary rules of biology. Split a population, let the two halves breed apart for a few hundred generations, you'll get lots of group differences. The a priori hypothesis should be that there ARE group differences. That there AREN'T, should need some weighty evidence & rigorous demonstration before anyone accepts it.

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-18 10:17

ITT old morons can't get over the fact that what they learned in school is no longer relevant.

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Name: Anonymous 2007-12-20 0:41

>>37
is that a southern accent

Name: Anonymous 2007-12-22 0:15

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