>>8 that's not traveling in time though, observing the past is already theoretically possible through wormholes, as one could travel deep into space and observe the light from earth reach them. So if they traveled x light years through a wormhole they would see earth from x years ago.
>>1 there are different concepts of time travel, i.e. whether you'd alter the future when traveling backwards or if you'd return to a future where your effects on the past don't exist, and even upon traveling back in time, they might not have made themselves obviously from the future. Also, time travel could be possible but it is just the case that no one ever figured out how it worked, so never traveled back in time using such technology.
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Anonymous2007-01-15 12:09
>>12
Observing the past is all you can do. Yes, it counts.
No it doesn't. I don't travel backwards in time when I look at something a great distance away!
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Anonymous2007-01-15 12:16
It takes a lot of energy to go back in time and it is dangerous.
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Anonymous2007-01-15 13:30
>>14
You see the past whenever you look at something. By the time the light reaches your retinae and is processed, time has passed wherever the light reflected off of.
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Anonymous2007-01-15 13:46
>>15
Truth. This is why we don't see time travellers. They can only afford to send 1 or 2 back, some of them probably just appear in the center of the sun or something and it takes more and more energy to further back you want to send someone so if they invent time travel 1000 years from now, they may prefer to send 10 people back 100 years in time instead of 1 person 1000 years in time.
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Anonymous2007-01-15 14:53
How do you control where you end up in the other time? We don't know of an absolute reference point to work with. If you go to last week, well last week the Earth was at a different place in space relative to anything outside the Earth.
Do you need to house a special beacon that exists in all time so that you can be positioned relative to it no matter what time you go to? How the hell do you manage to set up the beacon in the past in the first place? The best you can do is build it now and use it for as long as it can stay put.
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Anonymous2007-01-15 14:54
How about this: the past doesn't actually exist, you can't fucking time travel, end of story.
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Anonymous2007-01-15 15:16
We've already been visited by time travelers, its just that we confuse them with aliens. All UFOs are future humans examining the Earth.
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Anonymous2007-01-15 16:30
That's only marginally less absurd than aliens visiting the Earth.
Yes, but you are observing the past, not traveling through time. I entirely agree that it's possible to observe the past, but this doesn't constitute traveling backwards in time.
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Anonymous2007-01-16 6:31
Time is an arbitary, artificial frame of reference.
It wasn't even established in the physical world until relatively recnetly when they attatched it to the vibrations of a particular molecule.
Without a solid point of reference, it'd be impossible to do any sort of 'traveling' since you'd have no measure of how far you've traveled or in which direction. Kind of like driving on a totally unfamiliar freeway system with no signs or any other method of getting your bearings. Even if you could move on the road, you'd have no way of telling where you are.
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Anonymous2007-01-16 6:37
Time is an arbitary, artificial frame of reference.
It wasn't even established in the physical world until relatively recnetly when they attatched it to the vibrations of a particular molecule.
Without a solid point of reference, it'd be impossible to do any sort of 'traveling' since you'd have no measure of how far you've traveled or in which direction. Kind of like driving on a totally unfamiliar freeway system with no signs or any other method of getting your bearings. Even if you could move on the road, you'd have no way of telling where you are.
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Anonymous2007-01-16 9:39
Spelling is an arbitrary, artificial frame of reference.
It wasn't even established in the grammar world until relatively recently when they attached it to the vibrations of a particular sentence.
Without a solid point of reference, it'd be impossible to do any sort of 'writing' since you'd have no measure of how far you've written or in which direction. Kind of like driving on a totally unfamiliar freeway system with no signs or any other method of getting your bearings. Even if you could write on the road, you'd still be a retard.
That is a fuckin good point man. but i also think that time travel wouldnt work if you tried to go back in time b4 you invented your time machine also.
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Anonymous2007-01-17 7:34
Oh also, i've heard from a very scientifically minded friend, who also has calculated that the amount of energy required to send just one atom of any material back in any amount of time would require more than 10 billion times the amount of energy allready existing in the whole universe. so there. I dont think we'll be goin thru time anytime soon.
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Anonymous2007-01-17 10:12
>>40
duh, that's why you don't use energy to do it.
Care to elaborate on the calculations? Different atoms weigh different amounts, sending things to different distances in time would likely require more energy than other distances, so giving one answer (10 billion times) is bullshit, let alone whatever calculations your friend used.
I'm sure you already know this, but to clarify for others:
Keep in mind wormholes are theoretical too. Even if they do exist, it may not even be possible to travel through them as well.
As for the entire concept of time travel, I like to keep an open mind. We don't fully understand everything on our own planet, let alone the entire universe (and don't forget about multiple universes either), so anything is possible at this point. But it's an amusing thought isn't it?
I'll also throw out another thought for you, time travel through existing in a higher dimension.
There are reasons for the fact that time travelers never come to Earth. For example, earth could have been long forgotten by the time time traveling becomes possible. It is all speculative, but the fact that reasons could exist rules out your argument.
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Anonymous2007-01-18 7:54
THIS IS LIKE THE GOD ARGUMENT
THERE IS NO PROOF THAT TIME TRAVEL IS POSSIBLE TO BEGIN WITH, SO THERE IS NO NEED TO DISPROVE IT
That's a great flash animation, have seen it before but it's good to watch a few times :] Thanks for the discussion, anyway
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Anonymous2007-01-18 15:30
you're kinda stupid, if they travel'd back in time and rose caution they would again travel back in time to alter or cover it up,
a REAL question is if you tried to go back intime to kill yourself/your gradnda do you make yourself immortal or what
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Anonymous2007-01-18 16:20
>>44
Mindboggling.
0. Dot
1. Line
2. Flat object
3. 3D object
4. 3D object in time
5. ?
6. ?
7. All possible timelines for our universe
8. ?
9. All possible timelines for all possible universes
10. All possible timelines for all possible universes is a dot here. Post over.
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Anonymous2007-01-18 17:16
>>48
Nothing special would happen; you just wouldn't be born when whatever your year of birth is came around. There isn't anyone checking to make sure that each atom's individual timeline is self-consistent and consistent with every other's.
>>49
You don't get it at all. Not that it matters - if you didn't notice, that site acknowledges that this is not the fully scientific explanation. In the absence of that, this is totally useless.
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Anonymous2007-01-19 16:34
>>40
Did said guy say what he based those calculations on?
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Anonymous2007-01-19 16:36
Stephen Hawking may be quite intelligent, but he's probably a fool when it comes to time travel. Just guessing.
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LordRiordan2007-01-19 19:18
Time Travel = Christianity
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Darsawl2007-01-20 15:26
A rabbit stands at one end of a parking lot and a lamp post on the other. Without using distance or speed words or concepts and in 50 words write how the rabbit will get to the lamp post while trying to prove time.
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Darsawl2007-01-20 15:58
Didn't even bother I see. Well the reson this problem seems impossible to solve is because it is. TIME is a Concept, Speed is a Concept, Distance is a Concept. Don't belive me rephase that problem anyway you want it will still be impossible. Argueing about time travel is silly when there is no time to travel in.
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LordRiordan2007-01-20 16:18
There is no time, only a series of reactions.
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Anonymous2007-01-20 17:42
>>55
Rabbits, parking lots, and lamp posts are concepts, too. For reals, they're just lumps of matter with no physical demarcation.
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Anonymous2007-01-20 18:06
>>33
I've been wondering. How exactly can you tell?
Or is my 4chan-fu just not strong enough?
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Anonymous2007-01-20 19:25
>>58
The 4chan-fu thing, though he was wrong on the first one. Believe me or don't; I know for a fact that I was one of those posts and not the other.
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Anonymous2007-01-21 13:41
Just because we don't have time travelers doesn't mean time travel isn't possible. There are two obvious possibilities,
1) By the time we learn to travel through time, we've forgotten where the earth was(Unlikely, as we could simply travel back in time, find our own ridiculous wave pollution spread throughout the universe) or
2) The human race has a finite existence, and we die out before discovering time travel.
Even if we discover how to travel through time, maybe we don't last long enough to reach and expose time travel in the relatively minor span of time encompassing our own experience.
Of course, there's always the possibility that any such discovery would end the universe, and thus, as beings existing in a universe that hasn't ended, we simply didn't do it.(yet)
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Anonymous2007-01-21 19:13
1) Do you have any idea how big the universe is? In terms of the effect matter and energy leaving the earth that would not have otherwise, humans don't even perceptibly exist.
2) Obviously, we have a finite existence. Seems like that we die before we discover it, since no one here has yet proved that there is a past to go back to. I know it's a nice idea, but so is God. These things don't gain credibility just because they make you feel warm and happy.
>Of course, there's always the possibility that any such discovery would end the universe, and thus, as beings existing in a universe that hasn't ended, we simply didn't do it.(yet)
PROTIP: The Universe doesn't end just because something happens that fails checks for temporal/logical consistency in your mind.
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Anonymous2007-01-21 21:02
Time travel is possible.. we have different timezones don't we? think people! think!
if you wanna travel in time just divide by 0
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Anonymous2007-01-21 22:03
>>62
Hey, why not just set your clocks forward/backward?
Subatomic particles can travel back in time...traveling back in time is just the reverse of entropy. If I pour a drop of ink into a glass of water, after time it will spread into equilibrium. In order for it to "travel back in time" it would need to somehow revert into the single drop at the top. Since this is HIGHLY imporbable, it is also HIGHLY improbable that time travel will occur. Time travel isn't impossible, i's just _improbable_.
Then again, time is purely relative, ay?
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Anonymous2007-01-22 2:58
How have you concluded that your example (which isn't a valid analogy, but I will humor you) is 'imporbable' but not impossible?
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Anonymous2007-01-22 7:41
If any of you guys actually followed through that 10 dimensional movie, you'd see that time travel is simple. You'd just have to be a 4 dimensional being.
For us poor 3 Dimensional idiots, however, that's probably not possible.
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Anonymous2007-01-22 23:06
Logically I came up with this:
Time is man made, its a messurment of movement. EI the full distance at wich the sun moves in motion. Its day time because of the position of the sun. ect.
Old clocks used the movement of various devices (pendulum and gears) to keep time.
Todays clocks use crystal oscillators, wich still operates as the same principle as the old clocks.
the distance it takes an object from point A to point B and or back. May equal "time".
I can't really fathom and existing demension of "time" or an actual element of "time".
First of all, "movement", or, you know, the more scientific term of velocity, is dependent on time, not the other way around. You don't experience time because you are moving, but you can only move because you experience time.
You *are* an idiot. Do you not state you are concluding something logically and then give your own unjustified and completely ridiculous ideas. Like 71 says, you have things the wrong way around, like saying something which is falling is causing it to have gravity, instead of saying something which is under the effect of gravity is falling as a result.
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Anonymous2007-01-23 10:06
err, >>67, rather. I need a keyboard with lights so I can see what I'm typing...
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Anonymous2007-01-23 11:41
As 3 dimensional beings we have a fixed movement through time that cannot be changed, but where we are moving can be. It could be possible to move backwards through time, or, in having our paths disrupted through a higher dimension than time, our paths could fall along far removed paths of time than it would ordinarily be. If we can control or alter our movement through the fifth dimension, time travel is possible.
But maybe, we already know how to do it. Has anyone ever considered that the reason for the lengthening lifespan of humans isn't better living conditions and medicine and such, but simply that we've been accelerating through time, skipping it, and having our natural existence in time extended.
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Anonymous2007-01-23 12:48
>>73
Oh, good. I thought someone was being mean to me for no reason. ;_;
>>66
PROTIP: That movie is not science. It even fucking says so at the end.
surely if you travelled through a transuniversal worm hole then somehting of equal mass would have to come through form the other end to reach equlibrium... or what if the mass on one side was much less than the mass in our universe? wouldn;t this mean the worm hole would take in matter until equlibrium was reached?
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Anonymous2007-01-25 16:34
Black holes are evidence of alien technology
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Anonymous2007-04-26 17:30 ID:meN85/v3
your mums evidence of alien technology
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Anonymous2007-04-27 4:04 ID:C+pSJxv/
I will not waste my time criticizing or insulting 4chan as 1) it is unlikely to change, and 2) 4chan probably revels in the letters of shock and repulsion that it regularly receives. Instead, I will focus on its rude commentaries, which, after all, are the things that hijack the word "historiographical" and use it to shower yawping stirrers with undeserved encomia. Here's my side of the story: Everybody is probably familiar with the cliche that it blames others for its selfish deeds. Well, there's a lot of truth in that cliche. I don't want to build castles in the air. I don't want to plan things that I can't yet implement. But I do want to champion the poor and oppressed against the evil of 4chan because doing so clearly demonstrates how if it weren't for narrow-minded sad sacks, it would have no friends. I need to spend some time considering how best to push a consistent vision that responds to most people's growing fears about juvenile misers. But even if we disregard all that and examine only 4chan's vexatious, immature hariolations, this seems to me to be enough to show that 4chan's unedifying preoccupation with materialism will make bigotry respectable by the end of the decade. An equal but opposite observation is that 4chan's refrains are a house of mirrors. How are we to find the opening that leads to freedom? To ask that question another way, will peeling back the onion of 4chan's uneducated communications cause 4chan to shed tears or will it merely enhance its desire to feed information from sources inside the government to organizations with particularly self-indulgent agendas? If you need help in answering that question, you may note that while we do nothing, those who demonize my family and friends are gloating and smirking. And they will keep on gloating and smirking until we deal with it appropriately. Most other insolent, callous loan sharks are not as intransigent as they seem. It is also worthy of note that I have to wonder where 4chan got the idea that it is my view that everything it says is completely and entirely true. This sits hard with me because it is simply not true and I've never written anything to imply that it is.
Your guess is as good as mine as to why 4chan wants to force us to bow down low before the worst classes of goofy pinheads I've ever seen. Maybe it's because it plans to progressively narrow the sphere of human freedom. Something recently occurred to me that might occur to 4chan, as well, if it would just turn down the volume of its voice for a moment: 4chan labels anyone it doesn't like as "uncivilized". That might well be a better description of it. Call me old-fashioned, but every so often, you'll see 4chan lament, flog itself, cry mea culpa for seeking to capitalize on our needs and vulnerabilities, and vow never again to be so lawless. Sadly, it always reverts to its old behavior immediately afterwards, making me think that it, serving as judge, jury, and executioner, has decreed that expansionism is a viable and vital objective for our nation's educational institutions. At the risk of sounding a tad redundant, let me add that it is guided by the ignis fatuus of Bonapartism. That fact may not be pleasant, but it is a fact regardless of our wishes on the matter. The vast majority of people would probably be willing to help me challenge 4chan to defend its suggestions or else to change them. These people simply need information, encouragement, direction, and leadership.
In other words, we should agree on definitions before saying anything further about 4chan's mutinous, unbalanced announcements. For starters, let's say that "incendiarism" is "that which makes 4chan yearn to rule with an iron fist." 4chan is the embodiment of everything petty in our lives. Every grievance, every envy, every maledicent ideology finds expression in 4chan. 4chan should be forced to wear a scarlet "W" for "Wants to develop a Pavlovian reflex in us, to make us afraid to study the problem and recommend corrective action". The same might be said of vindictive shambolic-types. Whatever your age, you now have only one choice. That choice is between a democratic, peace-loving regime that, you hope, may create a world in which faddism, adversarialism, and imperialism are all but forgotten and, as the alternative, the saturnine and disloyal dirigisme currently being forced upon us by 4chan. Choose carefully, because 4chan's collaborators can conceive of nothing but vulgar defenses of its impractical newsgroup postings. The mere mention of that fact guarantees that this letter will never get published in any mass-circulation periodical that 4chan has any control over. But that's inconsequential, because you may make the comment, "What does this have to do with debauched doomsday prophets?" Well, once you begin to see the light, you'll realize that by brainwashing its votaries with defeatism, 4chan makes them easy to lead, easy to program, and easy to enslave.
Apparently, if 4chan feels ridiculed by all the attention my letters are bringing it, then that's just too darn bad. Its arrogance has brought this upon itself. While this letter is written with the hope that readers will think for a minute about the situation at hand, if it has spurred us to punish it for its jealous protests, then 4chan may have accomplished a useful thing. 4chan says that gnosticism is a be-all, end-all system that should be forcefully imposed upon us. This is at best wrong. At worst, it is a lie. Shame on 4chan for thinking that people like you and me are illogical!
Come on, 4chan; I know you're capable of thoughtful social behavior. 4chan has stated that space gods arriving in flying saucers will save humanity from self-destruction. That's just pure jujuism. Well, in 4chan's case, it might be pure ignorance, seeing that we must examine the social and cultural conditions that lead people towards iniquity and sin. As mentioned above, however, that is not enough. It is necessary to do more. It is necessary to establish democracy and equality.
4chan's a pretty good liar most of the time. However, it tells so many lies, it's bound to trip itself up someday. To be sure, 4chan's scare tactics, though creative, are a yawning abyss of sadism, but we have a dilemma of leviathan proportions on our hands: Should we tell it like it is, or is it sufficient to compile readers' remarks and suggestions and use them to win the culture war and save this country? That's the question that perplexes me the most, because it's a pity that two thousand years after Christ, the voices of haughty con artists like it can still be heard, worse still that they're listened to, and worst of all that anyone believes them. Perhaps 4chan has some sound arguments on its side, but if so, it's keeping them well hidden; all the arguments I've heard from it are utterly vainglorious.
I need your help if I'm ever to purge the darkness from 4chan's heart. "But I'm only one person," you might protest. "What difference can I make?" The answer is: a lot more than you think. You see, 4chan's disgraceful bedfellows exert themselves to muddy the water, obfuscate the record, and cover up, by sophistries and denials, all of 4chan's pea-brained contretemps. And that's why I'm writing this letter; this is my manifesto, if you will, on how to weaken the critical links in its nexus of gloomy, jaded obstructionism. There's no way I can do that alone, and there's no way I can do it without first stating that if we contradict it, we are labelled contemptible bohemians. If we capitulate, however, we forfeit our freedoms. What we're involved in with 4chan is not a game. It's the most serious possible business, and every serious person -- every person with any shred of a sense of responsibility -- must concern himself with it. In many ways, egocentric sensualists often take earthworms or similar small animals and impale them on a pin to enjoy watching them twist and writhe as they slowly die. Similarly, 4chan enjoys watching respectable people twist and writhe whenever it threatens to seek vengeance on those unrepentant souls who persist in challenging its declamations.
When I'm through with 4chan, it'll think twice before attempting to abandon me on a desert island. Griping about 4chan will not make it stop trying to bamboozle people into believing that it is cunctipotent. But even if it did, it would just find some other way to label everyone it doesn't like as a racist, sexist, fascist, communist, or some equally terrible "-ist". 4chan recently went through a nativism phase in which it tried repeatedly to advocate blasphemous vaporings. In fact, I'm not convinced that this phase of its has entirely passed. My evidence is that no one likes being attacked by the most shallow bribe-seekers you'll ever see. Even worse, 4chan exploits our fear of those attacks -- which it claims will evolve sooner than you think into biological, chemical, or nuclear attacks -- as a pretext to display an irreconcilable hatred toward all nations. If you think that's scary, then you should remember that if you think that no one is smart enough to see through 4chan's transparent lies, then think again. To sum it all up, I resent being exposed to horny parasites.
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Anonymous2007-04-28 16:58 ID:TVGzBs8s
tl;dr
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Anonymous2007-04-29 19:39 ID:j1XeYJpM
>>1
1) I can conceive of time travel
2) I have a penis
3) Therefore, time travel exists
Anyone who thinks that 'we haven't been visited by time travellers' is proof enough that time travel is impossible is a fucking retard fuckhead fag loser.
Think about it.
If it were ever invented, which I beleive it will be, it would not only be hideously expensive, but you would assume there would only be -one- available device for time travel. Why build two? Since that is most likely the case, the government of whoever built it, most likely the US, would have total control over it, and not let wankers travel back in time and fuck shit up like causality and that, but it would be used solely for research.
And fuck, people have already made shit go backward in time, and scientists have witnessed time loops and time delays to the point that returning particles are in fact from the future, however short the interval is.
Time travel is possible (theoretically), but an incredibly stupid idea. Time is a dimension that, normally, we move through at an immense speed, like how we are constantly speeding through space at nearly incomprehensible speeds. To "travel" in time would be to halt your passage through time so as to be left behind by everything else, and since the earth is NOT stationary, and you would end up where the earth was when you first started the time traveling, you would end up somewhere else than on the earth. So you would die. Similar concepts apply to going forward, in which case you are speeding up your passage through time, and ending up in space again. Ouch.
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Anonymous2007-05-01 18:15 ID:2L36fdgo
Actualy, 91, that goes againt one of the main reasons time is considered a dimension. That reason is that the veiw of time being a dimension seemingly alows you to deny the existance of true change. By this I mean that in a four-dimensional universe model, you can portray any three dimensional object, moving or not, as a static four dimensional object. If you see us as "moving through time" with some velocity, with empty space behind and in front, then you would need a five dimensional model to do the same things I mentioned above, a sort of "meta-time". However, the idea that the universe has to be static is totaly stupid and losery idea in my opinion.
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Anonymous2007-05-01 18:27 ID:bVHsCd+x
People today are to stupid to grasp anything other then what they see on a TV screen, Someday I hope this wont be the case but not today. Now I'm not saying I understand much when it comes to the mechanics of time travel but i can say that I understand it wont be like you see in fucking star trek where so chronotons pop out of my ass and take me back 200 years and I'm able to interact with people. So please put down the remote and start to read, And stop watching MTV.
what if a time traveller kidnaps Stephen Hawking? would he be mad?
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Anonymous2007-05-02 23:13 ID:HbWy7B0x
I'll bet we're already in a timeline that has been influenced by time travelers.
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Anonymous2007-05-03 6:31 ID:JJ00iqkj
If you got close to the speed of light, or could sit in a strong gravitational field, ie somewhere near a black hole, you could travel into the future.
And if a team ever created a time machine, it would consume so much energy, and cost so much to operate, and pose such a risk to humanity that I doubt the creators or the government or my mum would allow any random dickhole to be taking holidays to the past to win the lottery or kidnap Stephen Hawking.
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Anonymous2007-05-03 7:48 ID:nB7KVgHm
Another peculiarity, when you bring the temp. of matter down near absolute zero the electrons slow down and the entire atoms appear to blink in and out of existence. one explaination for this is that they are getting left behing in time. as in you are moving past the matter in time.
THERE IS ALREADY a machine that will be able to receive transmissions from the future. Some black physicist is making it possible. thread over
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Anonymous2007-05-04 2:17 ID:/r+kE0qu
Lol time travel is entirely possible, in fact we are able to do it right now. Time is directly related to distance. For example fly from North America to China, depends on which direction you take, you go forward or backwards in time. I mean why do you change the time on your watch when you cross time zones? Think about it.
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Anonymous2007-05-04 2:45 ID:+vkYqyId
interesting but it is not exactly "time travel"
there is man made time and natural time.
so you could not type in 1989 and go to the year 1989
because the earth runs off of natural time.
and as for the speed of light... you would have to have some sort of machine to cancel out the g's of force pushing against you. but it might be possible. but it would be erratic, unreliable, and expensive.
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Anonymous2007-05-04 9:00 ID:wd6wJka/
>>101
its suicide. not a whole lot of stuff can get anywhere near the speed of light without totally fucking up. not saying that getting near the speed of light is a way to time travel, just saying that it is possible using this method.
to reference an article i have in front of me, anything that wished to time travel would need a huge fucking mirror moving toward them at some insane speed with positive engery moving toward it, and the mirror reflecting negative energy. someting to do with instability. i dont understand it.