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What is 0^0?

Name: Rentacle Tape 2005-09-09 14:27

You heard me, is it 0 because 0*anything=0 or is it 1 because anything^0=1?

Name: Hadakan 2005-09-09 17:16

It is none.

0^0 is an undefined expression.

Name: Anonymous 2005-09-09 17:28

Name: Anonymous 2005-09-09 23:03

But you can graph n/0

Name: Cynic 2005-09-10 1:46

I say 0.5, just to piss my math teachers off. xD

Name: Anonymous 2005-09-10 7:00

Name: CCFreak2K 2005-09-13 1:23

mIRC:
//say $calc(0^0)
<CCFreak2K> 1

Hmm...

Name: Anonymous 2005-09-19 18:07

N^0 = N/N.  Therefore 0^0 = 0/0, which is undefined.

Name: Anonymous 2005-09-19 19:47

Perl says it's 1.

Name: Anonymous 2005-09-20 22:39

>>9

If Perl told you to jump off a cliff, would you?

Name: Anonymous 2005-09-21 0:05

>>10
I would

Name: Anonymous 2005-09-21 4:41

it's one okay? because there's exactly one way to order zero things in zero positions.

Name: Anonymous 2005-09-21 6:44

Name: Anonymous 2005-10-08 2:28

>>13
Yesssss.

>>2
>>8
Nooooo.  0/0, 0^0, 1^infinity, etc. are all /indeterminate./  Indeterminate quanitities do not exist, that's true, but they exist in an entirely different ways from undefined quantities.  There is no value that satisfies an undefined quantity, whereas there are infinitely many values that satisfy an indeterminate form.

0^0 = 0/0 = Any real number at all.

On the other hand,

n/0 (n != 0) = Nothing.

They both don't exist, but they are very, very different, and not just in theory.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-04 21:11

lim(x^x,x,0) = 1.  that's good enough for me.

Name: rentacle tape 2005-11-05 5:04

>>14

what about in the complex number set?

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-08 22:56

Don't even go there.  sqrt(-1)=i.  i^2=-1.  (2+i)^2=2^2+2(2i)+i^2=4+4i-1=3+4i.  sqrt(-8)=2isqurt(2).  Just forget complex numbers.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-09 1:46

>>15

That's incorrect.  The lim(x^x,x,0) = 1 only from the RHS.  If the absolute limit is to be defined for when x->0 then the limit from the LHS must equal RHS in which case it does not.  Trust me on this, I have a degree in math.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-09 13:09

lim(x^x,x,-0) is undefined, hence no limit at all.

0^0 is often defined to be 1, because zero over zero is one (i.e. there's only one way to order nothing)

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-09 17:42

but 0^0^0 = 0

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-12 11:10

OH SHIT YOU GUYS BETTER STOP DIVIDING BY ZERO!!!!

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-13 0:35

I personally think of the exponential in that case as a kind of special function which is just defined to be 1 at zero.

Not very formal, but I never was.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-13 13:34

>>19
0/0 is indeterminate; read up on limits for more detail.

Consensus says 0^0 = 1, but there seems to be no proof as yet.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-14 12:52

>>23

oops, i thought the binomial coefficient read n over k, not n choose k. but i'm excused because english isn't my native language.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-14 13:14

>>23

btw in mathematics you can just define things to be something if it's convenient. you don't need to prove it

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-14 14:42

>>25
But through expansion of the meaning of a^n in such a way that it still holds true for all values a != 0, you can achieve a solution that will also work for a=0.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-26 23:53

Well, multiplication is iterated addition, right?

Therefore...

2+0 = 2x1 = 2

2+2 = 2x2 = 4

2+2+2 = 2x3 = 6

So exponents are iterated multiplication, which is iterated addition.

2+2 = 2^2 = 4

2+2+2+2 = 2^3 = 8

2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2 = 2

Therefore, should 0^0 not be 0x0 zero times?

Idunno, I'm tired and have the flu... hehe

Name: Styrofoam !DWDMFPPpRw 2005-11-27 17:29

>>27

No, becuase x^0 = 1 for all x.  They way you're looking at it, you're thinking 2^0 = 0, but you're mistaken.

Name: Anonymous 2005-11-27 17:57

( )O( ) = fudge for everyone

Name: Anonymous 2008-06-29 4:04

bump

Name: Rodwy !!rBqwyAfUCCgK/2y 2008-07-02 5:00

Windows calculator says 1, although it could be horribly wrong.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-04 0:33

>>9
>>10

This made me laugh. Thank you anon.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-07 6:19

>>10

Python says its 1 as well, so, yeah. Probably.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-08 0:12

Oh Knuth, you devil, you!

Some textbooks leave the quantity 0^0 undefined, because the functions x^0 and 0^x have different limiting values when x decreases to 0. But this is a mistake. We must define x^0=1 for all x, if the binomial theorem is to be valid when x = 0, y = 0, and/or x = -y. The theorem is too important to be arbitrarily restricted! By contrast, the function 0^x is quite unimportant.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-08 16:19

0 multiplyed by 0, 0 times.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-08 17:42

>>35
facepalm

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-14 8:14

C says it's 0.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-14 15:25


In[1]:= 0^0

                                        0
Power::indet: Indeterminate expression 0  encountered.

Out[1]= Indeterminate

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-14 18:40

OMG .. it is 1 !!!

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-15 3:36

Search for 'empty set' on Wiki. For Wiki, the article explains it well.

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-15 5:11

Prelude> 0^0
1
Prelude> 0**0
1.0

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-15 10:29

>>39
See >>38

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-15 17:00

This question pops up on /sci/ pretty regularly, and this is the last time I'm going to answer it.

To set the record straight the correct answer is "It depends". The Mathematics of numbers is basically a set of logical "models" (analogous to the mathematical models of physical situations) to things we intuitively know.

To clarify, the basic operations of arithmetic are addition, subtraction, exponentiation, multiplication, etc. are all intuitive for the nonzero finite numbers we know and love, but not always otherwise (for example, it is not clear what, if anything 0^0 should be), so the mathematical models can disagree.

I'll give the two main models and what happens. It is clear that many people are arguing based (possibly unknowingly) on one or the other model, but I must emphasize that these are models so there is no universal truth other than "it depends".

Modelling numbers in the cardinal sense (eg. seeing numbers as meaning the "size" of a set of distinct things) gives us the answer 0^0. Because in this model 0 is (usually) defined as {}, x^y is (usually) defined as the cardinality of the set of functions from y to x. Hence 0^0={}^{}=1 because there is only one map from {} to {} (namely {}, ie. the map that has an empty domain and codomain).

So 0^0=1. This result actually makes sense in a huge number of cases where counting is involved or numbers are treated in the discrete sense.

But let's model numbers in a different way now. The model above does not encompass negative, rational, or irrational numbers. Now, let's view numbers in the model often given in Analysis courses (one that does everything we expect and gives us all real numbers); that is, as the completion of the field of rationals (the set of rationals being defined as the quotient set of all ordered pairs of integers over the appropriate equivalence relation, and integers being defined in the usual way -- often on the definition given above). Usually, in this model we have the definition x^y=log (y exp x) (or ln, if you prefer that notation), where exp is defined in terms of its Taylor Series and log is defined as the inverse of exp. Now, in this case 0^0 is completely undefined and frankly meaningless; which is good, because if 0^0 is defined in this model then it would ruin much of Analysis!

So, it depends on your model -- and that's all there is to it.

Name: 4tran 2008-07-15 19:30

>>43
>x^y=log (y exp x)
lol wut?

xy = ey ln(x)

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-16 11:24


In[1]:= e^(0 ln[0])

Out[1]= 1

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-16 11:27


In[2]:= Limit[x^0, x -> 0]

Out[2]= 1

In[4]:= Limit [0^y, y -> 0]

Out[4]= 0

Name: 4tran 2008-07-16 22:29

\lim_{x \to 0}x^{\frac{\ln(k)}{\ln(x)} = k

For k = 0, the old 0x trick works.

Thus, indeterminate.

Name: test 2008-07-17 7:24

X = 2+2

Name: test 2008-07-17 7:26

lim_{x \to 0}x^{\frac{\ln(k)}{\ln(x)}} = k

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-30 16:09

0^0=1

Name: Anonymous 2008-07-30 20:39

You are all wrong. 0^0 is a tasty sandwich. Not because it is logically arguable, but because it can be argued.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-14 3:53

1, niggers

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 1:31

so whats 0/0

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-15 20:53

x/0 = 0
0/0 = 0

Name: CSharp !FFI4Mmahuk 2008-08-16 15:04

JESUS CHRIST GUYS

FINAL ANSWER:

DISCRETE MATHEMATICS—0^0=1
CONTINUOUS MATHEMATICS—0^0=¿

---END OF LINE---

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-18 21:22

0^0 is the face I made when I read this.

Name: 4tran 2008-08-19 3:38

>>56
Even in anime, one's nose is not at the same altitude as one's eyes.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-19 11:47

>>57
That's a mouth.

Name: 4tran 2008-08-19 15:38

>>58
That's even moar anatomically incorrect.

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-19 16:39

>>55
That's a very discrete answer

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-19 21:51

hey fags

Name: Anonymous 2008-08-21 6:41

>>61
hey

Name: Anonymous 2008-09-02 0:32

>>59
He's raging probably.

Name: Anonymous 2008-09-09 6:28

1 >C

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