Do you think that the Theory of Relativity is incorrent and that Einstein was in fact wrong? One of the things I find the most unbelievable is the thought that time is being warped. I believe time is an illusion created by man to keep track of things. You can't bend or alter what is not there.
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Anonymous2005-09-04 6:04
lol.
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Anonymous2005-09-04 7:13
Warped? Can you explain what you're thinking of a bit further?
Intuition wins over experimentally proven fact every time!
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Anonymous2005-09-04 10:58
If a beam of light is emitted on a moving train, and you stand on a still platform and observe it, you would see light move diagonally according to him. So yes, it's all based on one guy's viewpoint.
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Anonymous2005-09-04 12:54
Einstein was a terrible scientist. His "results", especially with regard to general relativity (not to be confused with special relativity which is easily experimentally verifiable) are based largely on so-called "thought experiments." The main reason people believe in relativity is that it sounds clever, they don't understand it and they assume it must be correct because it was proposed by someone far more intelligent than they.
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Anonymous2005-09-04 15:44 (sage)
TIME CUBE IS TRUTH. YOU HAVE BEEN EDUCATED STUPID.
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Anonymous2005-09-04 18:51
If I recall correctly, Special Relativity was written to correct the problems with General Relativity.
you're an idiot. einstein's idea of relativity was born because there was experimental data that the current theories couldn't explain. relativity was verified a few months after the paper was published, and countless of times since. even GPS systems have to operate on a relativistic model, else they'd be off my miles (granted, at worst)
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Anonymous2005-09-05 20:43
EINSTEIN WAS A REVOLUTION, HE WAS MASTER OF THE THOUGHT EXPERIMENT
YES HE RELIED ON OTHERS FOR THE MORE ADVANCED MATHEMATIC IMPLICATIONS OF HIS EARTHSHATTERINGLY NEW CONCEPTS
GRAVITY BEAT HIM, BUT WE'LL CRACK THAT BITCH GRAVITY SOONER OR LATER... TO DATE RECONCILIATION REQUIRES UNVERIFIABLE N-DIMENSIONAL MODELS
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Anonymous2005-09-05 21:19
If you have a thought experiment, (and, let's be honest, you DO have to be imaginative to create or grasp this stuff), and that notion is then verified experimentally via scientific method, to be even more precise than Newtonian kinematics (itself a great big thought experiment which worked for what everybody needed it to work for), then obviously it was a pretty good thought experiment.
You could say the same thing about quantum theory. If memory serves, the difference is that there's never been an experiment which quantum theory didn't predict accurately within its framework.
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Anonymous2005-09-05 21:23
>>11
QUANTUM MECHANICS IS SO VAGUE IT WILL PREDICT ANYTHING
ALL THEORIES HAVE CERTAIN STIPULATIONS AND ALL VERIFICATION IS PERTURBATIVE TO SOME EXTENT
A THEORY IS JUST A MODEL, THE UNDERLYING REALITY CAN BE VIEWED MANY WAYS
Read up on it @ wikipedia you don't know what you're talking about.
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CCFreak2K2005-09-13 1:21
I think thousands of Japanese thought his theory to be quite wrong indeed.
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Anonymous2005-09-13 5:08
>>19
THEY DESERVED IT IN ADVANCE FOR UNLEASHING HENTAI ON THE WORLD
ALSO EINSTEIN WAS AGAINST THE BOMB PER SE, HE JUST REALIZED MATTER IS ENERGY.. HE DID NO DESIGN WORK ON THE BOMB THAT WAS OPPENHEIMER SZILARD FERMI ET AL
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Anonymous2005-09-13 11:57
Einstein doesn't have to blame. All that happened is the USA's government's blame. The USA was quick to do a genocide in Japan so they show their power to the URSS and get rid of a competitor.
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Anonymous2005-09-13 12:31
>>21
Yes because an invasion of Japan would have gone so much smoother since they knew every place we were going to land and had a lot more planes ready for the invasion than we thought they had. It wouldn't have been them slaughtering us at all. You are a tactical genious.
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Anonymous2005-09-13 17:01
>>22
Yes because the USA knew Japan would surrender in up to 6 months at this current rate, and yes because thousands of military dead in regular warfare > one quarter million + innocents killed.
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Anonymous2005-09-13 20:08
>>23
THE CONVENTIONAL FIREBOMBING OF TOKYO KILLED MORE THAN BOTH ATOMIC BOMBS COMBINED
JAPAN WAS UNDER CONTROL OF THE BLACK DRAGONS AND WOULD HAVE FOUGHT TO THE LAST MAN, THE FIRST BOMB ALLOWED THEM TO SURRENDER GRACEFULLY, THE SECOND BOMB WAS A WARNING TO RUSSIA AND IN FACT WAS DROPPED AFTER THEY SURRENDERED
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Anonymous2005-09-14 7:58
>>1
While science attempts to find what is correct, each scientific theory can only be accepted as what is deemed closest to the truth at the present time. I am sure there are holes in the theory of relativity and scientists are unable to account for them at present. I think to say whether Einstein was right or wrong is wrong, but instead we should say that using the scientific method leads us to believe that relativity occurs as Einstein postulated.
Japan would have surrendered, even the high spheres of the government knew that. The first bomb was to fuck Japan and to scare Russia, the second bomb was even worse and I wish it had fallen in the White House instead.
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its what the yakuza used to be called back then
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Anonymous2005-10-09 22:24
>>24
IT IS JUST LIKE THAT TIME THEY TRIED TO TRICK US INTO THINKING THEY LANDED ON THE MOON.
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Anonymous2005-10-10 15:21
The Yakuza landed on the moon?
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Anonymous2005-10-10 23:23
WTF U READ NEWS???
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Anonymous2005-10-11 3:38
>>1
If you reject the premise of time, pretty much all physics goes out the window, including the type used by Electric Engeneers to produce both your computer and the internet. OH SHI...
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320i2005-10-18 2:30
time is linear, but it can be bent or set in an infinite loop(mobius strip).
its just a big movie with the scripts already written for us.
i think of time as string cheese, take a piece and rip it off until its all gone. seems to me like its 79% eaten up.
the weirdest of dreams are of the future.
i hate rice rockets
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Anonymous2005-10-18 4:39
time definitely ain't a mobius strip cause that shit ain't an orientable manifold
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Anonymous2005-10-19 2:55
>>37 "time is linear, but it can be bent or set in an infinite loop(mobius strip)."
Are you on fucking crack? We have a name for an infinite loop: "circle." A Mobius strip is a two-dimensional twisted /cylinder/. One-dimensional objects cannot be bent into Mobius strips, because Mobius strips are 2D objects embedded in 3-space. And for the record, time actually cannot be bent into a circle. That would make for a very, very strange universe.
yeah, time wouldnt exist if there was no one to observe it. it's just an artifact of the feeble human mind.
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Anonymous2005-10-22 12:08
Time is just "this happens before this", it's not some magical thing.
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Anonymous2005-10-22 12:18
all those physics formulas...wasted
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Anonymous2005-10-24 1:23
Can it be treated quantitatively? I think so!
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Anonymous2005-10-24 9:38
Science doesn't try to make specific, exact descriptions of what the world *is*. It merely describes how it behaves. Are we in a three dimensional space, or is the third dimension an illusion created by a 2D quantity we can't tell apart from other spacial quantities? Does space really bend into another dimension, or is the geometry simply non-Euclidian?
We don't know, since the predictions the laws of nature make don't differentiate. There's much more to be learned, and many theories to suppliment our current knowledge. However, that doesn't make our current theories wrong, just imprecise.
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Anonymous2005-10-24 13:59
Essentially, Einstein works on a specific, microscopic basis whereareas Chaos and quantum physics works on a macroscopic level.
Time is a measruable property, if it was an illusion there would be nothing to suggest it exists.
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Anonymous2005-10-28 16:21
>>49>>53>>52
That's the reason I changed my trip FAGZ DUN STOLED MY TRIPCODE, and thanks for whoever anon'd my imposter (He's at my school, so we share Ip's).
and >>54
The issue is not that "time" is measurable or not. You can quantify change.
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Anonymous2005-10-28 16:22
>>49>>53>>52
That's the reason I changed my trip FAGZ DUN STOLED MY TRIPCODE, and thanks for whoever anon'd my imposter (He's at my school, so we share Ip's).
and >>54
The issue is not that "time" is measurable or not. You can quantify change.
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Anonymous2005-10-29 5:22 (sage)
That's the reason I changed my trip
WTF are you talking about? Get off the drugs.
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Anonymous2005-10-31 16:17
I entered a HASH to make a TRIP code! HAWHAHWAHWHAWHAWHAHWHAHAW.
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Anonymous2005-11-02 21:49
Bullshit one #1. They have sync'ed two watches. One was put on a supersconic jet and flown really fast around the world. When it landed, the watches were slightly out of sync. Meaning that the closer to the speed of light you reach, the more time slows down.
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Anonymous2005-11-04 13:32
>>59
That was an interesting study. But remember that while it is extremely convincing evidence, various factors could have caused the offset. For instance, exposure to diferent electromagnetic fields could have slowed the propagation delay in the electronics sufficiently to produce a large enough variation to seem noticeable. It's always ok to be the skeptic, so long as you arn't stupid about it.
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Anonymous2005-11-12 22:09
I think that we have no right to speculate as we have nevar read the theory of reletivity and probably whouldnt understand it anyway we should instead talk about:
SHRINKIN: Its the future! Shrinking raises the speed of light and slows time as well as removeing gravity. INFINATE SPEED HA HA HA HA
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Anonymous2005-11-14 2:19
GPS depends on the theory of relativity. In fact, most satellite communication depends on it.
The theory of relativity is also regularly demonstrated in the nation's particle accelerators.
It's a solid, testable, proven theory.
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zeppy!GuxAK3zcH.2005-11-15 11:34
>>62
haha you said "theory" and "proven" in the same sentence. Tell me, when has sceince ever been proven and solid? Never. You make things seem so clear cut. Scientists tend to do that. They try to make everything seem perfectly under control. In reality, we haven't even begun to understand life's complex rythms and its subtle tones. Why then, is such a grand, all encompassing, concept such as relativity so immediately true? We're in no rush. It will (and has) been proven wrong already. How about Einstein thumpers move on, and study metaphysics, or a useful train of wisdom instead of the cyclic reasoning that gets them nowhere.
the only fault to relativity is its disjointedness, all predictions of general relativity have been factually proven... special relativity is a dirty fix
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uniKIX!2m3gmkw9Wc2005-11-15 15:35
>>64 >>66
failures. You guys obviously don't keep up on times. stop fucking living in a fantasy world where Einstein is god and Relativity is his messiah. relativity, like the messaih, fell many years ago
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Anonymous2005-11-15 15:41
>>67
variations in the speed of light do not invalidate general relativity
all gr predictions have been observed
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Anonymous2005-11-16 11:11
>>67
Relativity fell, but Special Relativity did not.
>>59
Why didn't they do it with a stopwatch, a mechanical clock, and an electron clock? Time is the only thing (I think) that has the same effect on all three of them... If the watches off of the jet are out of sync with the land clocks, and yet in sync with each other, then it'd more strongly suggest time as a real force rather than an illusion...
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zeppy!GuxAK3zcH.2005-11-16 11:55
>>71
Time describes a phenomenon that is very real, which is progression. The actual measurable scale and human concept of time, is however, a fabrication of our minds in order to effectively describe the phenomenon. Not exactly an illusion, but in essence it is a real force.
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Anonymous2005-11-16 14:28
so, high speed doesn't slow down "time" per se, just the progression of the atoms that make the clocks run?
Well, the thing is that despite time being an invention of humanminds fact remains that events happen in order.
If I for example eat breakfast in the morning and then take a shower this will make an inprint on the dimension of "time", my breakfast happened earlier than my shower.
When one bends time you get closer or furthur away from one point in the dimension of "time", hence the discussion of time is irrellevent since it is just the order of events that is important. Time is just a tool for measurements and usage for everyday life.
Sorry, that might have been confusing :S
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Anonymous2005-11-19 20:45
Einstein was not wrong just misunderstood, thats why he admitted he was wrong and worked out a theory which the smallerminded would comprehend.
i.e.: if Pythagoras would explain to a bird (yes in birdlanguage) why a²+b²=c² works for certain triangles he could take all day and at the end of that day the bird would have learned nothing, simply because its mind is to small.
We are just to "stupid", its better to accept it now because life is so short you know.
and for all the trolls that are gonna call me a gayassnoobbixnood or something like that ==> NO U!
You'll realise that it's not the spoon that bends, it's you.
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Anonymous2005-12-01 0:06
Seriously, all this "einstein is wrong" rhetoric is coming from people who want to think in absolutes, whereas science is constantly changing, accepts NEW scientifically proven evidence that contradicts the former. (Unlike many people)
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Anonymous2005-12-01 0:12
Seriously, all this "einstein is wrong" rhetoric is coming from people who want to think in absolutes, whereas science is constantly changing, accepts NEW scientifically proven evidence that contradicts the former. (Unlike many people) >>67
Please, Please, Please STFU. Nobody "worships" Einstein, what he discovered had a huge impact on science, and for that he is respected and his theories still have a role in physics.
Man, I hear one more brainless iconoclast that thinks that makeing a jab at the dead horse makes his point valid.........
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Anonymous2008-10-19 7:41
Space-Time is not being warped-it's the mass that's increasing in size!