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Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 1:36

Cory Doctorow gave a great speech at #28c3 called "The coming war upon general purpose computation" about all the various ways that the establishment is going to fear computers and continually attempt to abridge our freedoms. It is both well-spoken and rousing and I recommend you take a few minutes out of your day to watch it. Doctorow made some very salient arguments for the coming dangers to cognitive and computational freedom from other industries outside entertainment spanning everything from RF to agriculture. Everything he says about the coming establishment threats to your freedom is spot-on.

There's one statement he makes that leads him to a much rosier view than reality, and one which I think distorts the view of the future battlefield. If you take Doctorow's speech at face value you will believe that the battlefield is a bureaucratic one. It isn't. It is going to be a development race, and most of the people that should be running for their lives don't even realize that the starting gun has been fired.

Doctorow makes the statement that we don't know how to make a computer that will run only approved programs. This, sadly, is not even remotely true. These computers have been developed in quasi-secrecy, at great taxpayer expense.

Ever taken a look at the XTS series? The operating system, STOP, has the security subsystem in ring 0 and the kernel in a lower priv'd ring. This was far before the NX bit, which having an external security subsystem be in charge of these days could be catastrophic for programmers' freedom.... Most programs run on STOP systems were compiled for other platforms, but STOP offered a semblance of binary compatibility by having foreign binaries sandboxed in highly restrictive virtual machines. As you can imagine, this pretty much eliminated the malloc funny business. This all funded by the NSA's TPEP/TCB.

And this was the fucking nineties! This was etymology of the term "trusted computing", sourced of the military and intelligence complexes. Microsoft just used the term to conjure the proper images within heads of those in the know.

In addition to the continued development of OS-layer user subversion, there's been a number of additional developments since then that have been similarly funded by the US government at incomprehensible taxpayer expense. Is it possible to have a single processor expose different instruction sets to different hardware channels, thus offering the application developer a computer a crippled processor architecture that lacks the control over memory addressing which is fully accessible to a coprocessor that controls software and hardware signing? You betcha. If you've done any reasonable EE work you can start to visualize it in your head. This is real. Hell, would most developers notice if the processor architecture changed transparently to mechanisms of managed code? What percentage of software developers actually even understand pointers anymore? I'd bet the pie chart of the great mass that doesn't versus the tiny sliver that still does is beginning to look like the distribution of assets and income amongst US citizens. These days if someone knows JavaScript, Ruby and MongoDB they dare give themselves titles like "programmer" and "hacker".

These subversions of computing have been designed, implemented, and mass-produced for the government, perfected over the course of 3 decades and ready for real commercial deployment. Every commercial OS vendor has an application signing process in place, there just needs to be a couple generations of new hardware with the stuff packaged in.

The technology to turn computers into objects of oppression already exist. So why aren't they implemented yet? The reasons are social. Imagine if you told every developer on earth that they had to use hilariously bad new APIs and syscalls that crippled performance, abstracted them away from their ability to write completely in languages they were familiar with and added precious weeks or months until shipment date. There'd be a universal revolt! No developer on earth would write anything for that platform.

If I were an oppressive state machine, I'd drop this bomb in 6 steps:

    Start getting people used to devices that they think of first as things less than a computer and more of another sort of device first. Perhaps consumers could be coaxed to think of their computers as devices of more limited scope, like phones. Have people shed local storage for that in some wispy aether on the Internet. Make these devices exceptionally hip and well-advertised to encourage their widespread adoption.
    Get developers producing software that's dependent upon an oligopoly of digital distribution points for sales. Make them beg for keys to the distribution channels, and begin subject them to approval processes to sell applications.
    Progressively raise the cost of general purpose machines until number of people buying them (engineers, developers) is small enough to keep to a 'potential subversives' list. "Why do you need one of those fancy computers, son? The $TABLET lets you keep in touch with grandma via Facebook just fine!"
    Implement subverting technology on the "general-purpose" machines but only make them spy on their users for now, executable blacklists to be activated on a timer at a future cut-off date.
    Wait a little bit for the shoddily made modern computer parts with their planned obsolescence to fail. I know people with hard drives from the eighties that still spin. Do you think modern components actually need to be as unreliable as they are? After this nobody can buy non-free hardware.
    Flip the damn switch! Now everybody is stuck on approved distribution mechanisms.


This dystopian vision is true in the epistemological sense, and the most probable future scenario. Somebody with an unfathomable amount of wealth has already begun to execute this process. If you think this isn't going to happen you are naive. Let me tell you this: Stallman, despite eating his own filthy toe jam in public is right about everything he's ever said. As jesuitx once said, Stallman is a modern-day Ezekiel (another filthy slob that couldn't keep a decent living arrangement), and everything he's ever said has turned out to be prophetically, nightmarishly true. If you are dependent upon an external party for your NIC or your CPU or your GPU, your very liberty and life are going to be threatened. Any piece of computing architecture that cannot be commonly replaced with a free (as in freedom) version will be used by imperialists furthering their own hegemonies. The community needs to make free hardware versions of these things within the next ten years, because it will be far more difficult to bootstrap these things when we are locked out of the modern computing landscape.

Those who trade liberty for the slickest UI/UX will have neither.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 1:37

(x-pasted from http://weev.livejournal.com)

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 1:40

Cory Doctorow
Stopped reading right there.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 1:41

This is the reason why RMS is advocating for users to demand their freedom. He understood all these probabilities happening in the 70's.

tl;dr companies want to control society by selling computers that users do not control

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 1:41

Old motherfucking news.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 1:44

bu...but what about arduino?

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 1:47

Yeah right, and AVR and Microchip will stop selling µcontrollers, and 74xx series will be banned [1].

Fuck off.

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[1] http://www.homebrewcpu.com/

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 1:50

>>7

looool

that website looks exactly like http://www.timecube.com/

and i bet the creator of that thing is just as mental

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 1:51

>>1
lunix boxes
You gotta make it less obvious, man.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 1:52

>>8
As a schizophrenic person, I am offended by this post.

And so am I.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 1:53

>>7

does it run losethos?

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 1:56

Lel, americans.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 2:02

>>6
Anything that the user can control is good. Only systems with 100% free software allow for this.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 2:08

>>13
Not a lot of RAM to control, chief.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 2:35

How to tell when people are speaking shit:

It is going to be a development race, and most of the people that should be running for their lives don't even realize that the starting gun has been fired.

They feel the need to use stupid language techniques.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 2:36

The open source hardware movement is at a slow pace, but there are some open singleboard computers like the Beagleboard and Pandaboard, which cost like 70 dollars and can handle HD video and whatnot. Unfortunately the market is also being saturated with garbage like Raspberry Pi and Arduino, which are utterly worthless and not open at all.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 2:41

Just use Symta on SparrowOS

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 2:41

>>16
The {Beagle,Panda}board require blobbity blobs to deal with the video acceleration.

Unfortunately the market is also being saturated with garbage like (...) Arduino, which (...) [is] not open at all.
What do you base that statement upon?

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 2:50

>>16
Embedded multimedia singleboard isn't what the open movement needs right now.

We need open high performance compute. That's what the Jews want to prevent non-Jews from having free access to. That's what they're afraid of. If us Europeans or East Asians ever manage to deploy AGIs, we might have a fighting chance against the Jew's coming reign of mass-enslavement.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 2:52

>>16
The fact the market is saturated with this class of hardware tells us that society has found a use for them.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 2:55

>>19
I, for one, welcome our new robotic jewish overlords.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 3:56

BUT I LIEK MAH TILEZ

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 5:05

>>20

The Arduino sold well because there are a lot of self-proclaimed "geeks" who like to browse reddit, wear raybans, and make stupid useless toys with LEDs using a Java-based IDE.

The Raspberry Pi sold well because it costs $25 and the average consumer doesn't care if the hardware is proprietary and can't run any major OSes and is pretty much useless for doing anything at all.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 5:11

This is as old as FCC. Please read your FCC compliant hardware rules. They tell all you need know about hardware in the US. Also solutions provided at:
http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1353418616

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 5:21

>>23
Yes but why did you say Arduino (or any related AVR board) is bad?
Also, I think the Raspberry Pi supports Debian.  There's still that massive closed bootloader shit, though.

>>24
Oh look one of the autists is planning on extending an AVR's RAM by two megabytes, too bad it's not enough to run emacsI must say the thought of doing that gave me a fraction of a boner, which quickly went away when I realized there's no way I could get an AVR to output LVDS or to any kind of common/not-expensive-as-fuck LCD panel.  Also the cubieboard looks interesting, too bad the kernel patches still haven't been mainlined.  Have the Pandaboard/Beagleboard ones been mainlined?

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 5:37

>>25
calm down, I was saging the thread (motioning my complete disapproval of the thread). It was meant for OP. I prefer mini-itx boards. I can do shit with them anywhere with a small battery.

Also, I am alarmed you would even consider using emacs. But whatever, to each his own.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 6:09

>>26
Paredit is pretty much the only reason I use emacs.

Name: Cudder !MhMRSATORI!fR8duoqGZdD/iE5 2013-02-03 7:42

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 7:52

>>27
I use ex/vi s// commands in a macro for me to do what Paredit does. sed(1) is also wonderful.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 7:56

>>23
The attraction of this computer is the fact that it is cheap and relatively easy to understand and program at the low levels. For many sorts of applications, a high performance processor isn't necessary. As a matter of learning and tinkering, it's much easier to hack on lower powered machines that are architecturally simple. Yes, people can take the time to learn a high performance system but the fact is, high performance systems are more complex to get the full use out of them. A $20-40 machine is a fantastic price point for people to begin their life as a computer hacker.

Name: Offend by this derailment 2013-02-03 7:57

>>29
Here is your nigger mature script:
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=3998

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 8:26

>>28
Holy mother of god, someone has really done it.  Maybe my dreams of a do-it-yourself AVR Lisp machine neetbook will someday come true.  Maybe.  Video output is still the biggest problem, though.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 8:56

>>1
Cory Doctorow
Jew.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 9:02

>>1
You already have trusted computing. Various video game consoles are one example. And people are happy, because they don't write or compile software themselves.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 10:29

愛會找到一個方法,或後門。

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 11:03

say goodbye to your lunch boxes

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 14:24

>>33
Masonic Jew actually.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 14:42

Why don't you paranoids start turning the tide of locked down shit and start doing something about it? Perhaps write a very good game or productivity software for an open platform... perhaps make or extend a popular game framework to target open handhelds like the Dingoo A320? You'll probably make no money in this endeavor but you need to be proactive to show the walled garden keepers who's boss otherwise go back to /g/.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 14:55

>>38
you are quite the tsun-tsun for the /prog/rider. I like you! ;)

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 16:27


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Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 17:46

The "XTS series" is x86, so it would be patent-encumbered shit even without the OS. If Intel and AMD cared about freedom, they would let you compile your own microcode. They only care about maintaining their monopoly based on obsolete hardware.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 17:49

>>36
NOOO, NOT AGAIN! FUCK YOU BULLIES I FUCKING HATE YOU!!!

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 17:56

>>40
Implementation specific.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-03 22:41

check 'em

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-04 0:30

>>38
My method is to have a very clear understanding about the nature of technology, the players and the events. I use this information to try and raise awareness of these things. The basic pitch I use is, "do you care about your privacy and your right to be a good citizen? Well if you depend on this technology, other people have control over the machines that you own and you are forbidden to control it yourself". If people don't care about privacy, then there isn't much hope for them. If people don't care about being controlled by vendors, there isn't much hope for them either.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-04 9:28

>>37
I don't care what kind of Jew he is: masoretic, masonic, matzonic, freemasonic, unfreemasonic... all Jews are evil. If you think some Jew isn't evil, you just don't know him well.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-04 11:20

I don't care what kind of Muslim >>46 is: Shia, Sunni, Zunny, Unzunny... all Muslims are niggers. If you think some Muslim isn't a nigger, take a peek under his head rag.

ALLAH IS THE ONE TRUE GOD AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER
boom boom
*explodes while facing Mecca*

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-04 13:47

>>47
And jews also have nigger genes, coincidence? There's no such thing as a coincidence, unless you're a brainwashed shabbos goy :)

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-04 16:21

>>48
Fucking retard.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-04 16:35

>>49
Shalom!

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-04 17:51

>>48
:)
Back to /r/niggers, please.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-04 18:45

>>48
So you can detect nigger genes by taking a peek under everyone's hat?

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-04 19:56

>>52
You don't even have to do that, you just have to look at the hat if it's a yarmulke then the wearer has nigger genes.

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-04 21:42

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-04 21:43

>>54
cool Jews, nigga!

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-05 0:35

the answer is SparrowOS

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