If I had a YeeLong-8133 I would cuddle with it every night before going to sleep.
If I had a YeeLong-8133 I would code in MIPS64 assembly every day.
If I had a YeeLong-8133 I would print out x86 assembly listings on toilet paper and wipe my anus with them.
We're all waiting, Lemote. I'm not buying any other laptop; I demand a free open-source non-treacherous BIOS.
If I had a touhou I would cuddle with it every night before going to sleep.
If I had a touhou I would 1cc DoDonPachi every day.
If I had a touhou I would print out feminist propaganda on toilet paper and wipe my anus with it.
We're all waiting, ZUN. I'm not getting any other fiancée; I demand a 2D non-treacherous girlfriend.
>>2 hardware backdoors
that's more infeasible than you getting laid.
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Anonymous2012-06-22 19:27
I remember reading a nice detective story about a motherboard that had barely detectable hardware backdoors in it. It was supposed to be an exact copy of European-made prototypes, and it was, except for a fucking pile of extra code that snooped on users. It would go unnoticed if there wasn't a bug somewhere at that code that revealed the whole scheme to a researcher. AFAIR the snooping code was the real dom0 (or how this thing is called), and it set up a fake dom0 that looked exactly like the real one so that it could snoop merrily without worrying about white devils ever finding extra resident code in their OS.
Does anyone remember what that was?
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Anonymous2012-06-22 19:49
>>5
I'm sure there's a neckbeard with a digital analyzer who will take care of that.
nice detective story about a motherboard
Impossible!
AFAIR the snooping code was the real dom0 (or how this thing is called), and it set up a fake dom0 that looked exactly like the real one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU
>>2
If they sell thousands of the same machine, what's stopping thousands of people testing this machine for and treachery?
>>8
How about having the ability to control your machines any way you want at your own pace? The non-free BIOS problem is the last major puzzle of self-sovereignty in computing.
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Anonymous2012-06-22 21:48
If it ain't MIPS, it's crap!
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Anonymous2012-06-23 6:41
I'd buy one but they're way too expensive for the shitty performance and build quality they offer.
>>6
No, it was a bitch to detect and identify. Thu guy who wrote everything up had to compare processor cycles vs wall clock on USB operations (or something like that) microseconds on a prototype and a serial MB.
>>15
It's going to be pretty hard to hide it in a computer where all the firmware is FOSS. Treacherous network packets don't just appear out of thin air, and they can be detected.
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Anonymous2012-06-23 8:35
>>5
Do you mean fictional detective story, or did this actually happen?
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Anonymous2012-06-23 13:11
>>17
Actually happened, there was a report with photos of the motherboard, debugging logs, letters to law enforcement etc.
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Anonymous2012-06-23 14:30
>>18
Then find the damn source, because I sure can't
>>26
I'll perform some checks once I get one. I strongly doubt the Chinese would put spyware in a FOSS laptop that they would intend to sell medium-/large-scale; it would be very risky for the sales if it got discovered (millions of invested $$$ lost).
>>27
I strongly doubt they would not. I once bought a set of Chinese-made kitchenware and all of the items had microphones embedded into them, sometimes accompanied with tiny cameras!
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Anonymous2012-06-26 19:38
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson#Hardware-assisted_x86_emulation Loongson 3 adds over 200 new instructions to speed up x86 instruction execution at a cost of 5% of the total die area. The new instructions help QEMU translate x86 instructions by lowering the overhead of executing x86/CISC-style instructions in the MIPS pipeline. With added improvements in QEMU from ICT, Loongson-3 achieves an average of 70% the performance of executing native binaries when running x86 binaries from nine benchmarks.
>>26 I'm told and shown, but was not sure that the technician understood. These so-called technical experts on the level of competence differ little from those of managers.
So how does one go about verifying the lack of hidden spyware and backdoors?
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Anonymous2012-07-11 20:58
>>71
Capture all the data that passes through and analyze it. You should be able to figure out which data comes from the software you trust and which data does not.
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Anonymous2012-07-12 2:20
Capture all the sperm that passes through and analyze it. You should be able to figure out which sperm comes from the boyfriend you trust and which sperm does not.
>>75
In one year or so, something crippled with half the spec will eventually come out. A netbook that will cost $80 in China, $400 in USA and 700 euros in Europe. Except that it will never be really available outside China.
In the end, only three persons will actually own one: Stallman, a redactor of Engadget and a random faggot not you on Youtube.
Tegra is the cancer that is killing freedom. Lemote is the cure.
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Anonymous2012-07-16 16:37
>>101
You seem to be unable to distinguish between freedom and the tantrum of a spoiled little brat.
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Anonymous2012-07-16 16:41
>>102
If the manufacturer doesn't supply the required information to rewrite the totality of the firmware as well as a running operating system, then it's not freedom. Fuck you, faggot.
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Anonymous2012-07-16 17:15
>>103
What will you demand next? The code source of the firmware for the robot building your computer case? Along with all building plans of those robots? An access pass to the plant and the right to fire a worker if he's unable to achieve your criteria of quality control? The right to use Steve Ballmer's private bathroom and to have your dick sucked by his daughter?
Let engineers and business men do their job. Things are not manufactured to make the fairy tales of a very scarce minority of procrastinating NEETS come true. You have totally lost grip with reality.
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Anonymous2012-07-16 17:18
>>104
Cool slippery slope, bro. No, all I demand is to be in full control of the general-purpose computation device that I fucking bought with my fucking money. I am the owner of it, it should obey me and none other. Not very complicated. Fuck you and die.
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Anonymous2012-07-16 17:26
>>103
Seriously, look at you. You're literaly crying because you want a Chinese company to hurry and manufacture your toy. You could use nothing more than a pen and a piece of paper to prove some serious computation. You could even write in the sand with a stick of wood, I guess.
You don't want to compute. You want to play with your electronic toys no matter how hard your mother had to work to afford them.
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Anonymous2012-07-16 17:34
>>105
You are granted the use of many implementations of turing-complete programming languages with your computer. That's all you really need. But you prefer to dream about pimping a microprocessor - that you couldn't built alone - with a screwdriver and a hammer.
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Anonymous2012-07-16 17:37
>>106-107
I fucking HATE YOU FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU ASDFLJSADKFHAJSDGHFSJGHSFDJGHSD FA UCK OYU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FAGGOT F UC KYOU FAND DIE FUCK YOU
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Anonymous2012-07-16 17:39
>>106
DIE FAGGOT DIE$ASDLF SKAD JSKJ AFSDIFCLKO JSA DKFSADJF KJSDKF SJAKF JF I FUCKING HHATE YOU FUCK OYU AND DIE
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Anonymous2012-07-16 17:43
You want your own toys? Why don't you use some hundred millionths of dollars to hire engineers, build a plant and produce them. Some totally cool open source hardware that doesn't suck. Hey!
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Anonymous2012-07-16 17:43
DIE FAGGOTS DIE I HATE YOU
>>106
It's my money you piece of shit. I want to buy a device that doesn't spy on me. It's my fucking right. Fuck you and die.
>>107
A computer with a locked bootloader running Windows qualifies as being able to run turing-complete computation since it has a JavaScript interpreter and a text editor. But that won't give me the control over the fucking computer, and everyone will hack into my digital anus through various backdoors left by Microsoft and see everything I do. Fuck you.
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Anonymous2012-07-16 17:45
>>110
I don't care about the hardware to be open-source, only the firmware. Cool strawman bro.
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Anonymous2012-07-16 17:46
Investing millions of dollars to develop a product doesn't give you the right to spy on your customers, fagshit.
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Anonymous2012-07-16 17:49
>>113
Oh, I see... But that must be the illuminati. That's what they do. They're syping on us with silicium engraved backdoors.
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Anonymous2012-07-16 18:09
>>114
You're American, you never knew what privacy was in the first place anyway.
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Anonymous2012-07-16 18:20
>>115
You're not American, you never knew what freedom was in the first place anyway.
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Anonymous2012-07-16 19:41
>>104
Please don't confuse hardware and software. We need access to the software and the rights to share it with our friends. It is senseless to modify hardware because it is completely impractical to change it once it exists.
>>106,107
The issue is about the rights of the machine owners. A machine should obey its owner, if not, it is designed to obey other interests. This cannot happen when software is not free.
>>110
We can own our own hardware if we had the right to tinker with software. Hardware is impractical to modify. Software is practical to change. Users who cannot modify their software is a matter of policy of the vendors to restrict the users. There is no other reason why users should be restricted access to the software.
>>117
And you will be able to do just that! if you buy a development machine and join a developer program, general purpose computer should not be sold the masses, it's an aberration and they're happy with a facebook machines anyway.
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Anonymous2012-07-16 21:05
>>119
You are wrong. Reality shows that people aren't completely content with stock machines as delivered by the vendors. If this was so, the iphone cracking scene wouldn't be so large; people wouldn't bother hacking their Android phones to do more things; systems like the Raspberry Pi wouldn't be so wildly popular.
The fact is, people know computers are capable of many things and that software extends existing capabilities. They may not have the skills to change their systems and they don't need any! All people really need is the freedom to visit people who do have the skills. This means being able to share knowledge freely with the implied understanding that hardware vendors do not interfere with them. A development program that controls society from sharing knowledge is anti-ethical to such freedom.
>>134 TeX lets the user type two left-single-quotes `` to create a left-double-quote `` and two right-single-quotes '' to create a right-double-quote ''. Most typists, however, are accustomed to delimiting their quotations with the un-oriented double-quote ".
>>157
No, I'm talking about the fact that just because MIPS appeals to your boorish sense of minimalist design doesn't mean it's a superior platform. Shit like that is the reason Linux is such a shitty fucking operating system for porting games to - the things that are going to be necessary for MIPS to survive aren't present, and they're going to have to be tacked on.
Not to mention >ARM have the embedded market covered niggers
>>185
Fuck off and die, freedom hating microsoft-loving piece of shit.
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1382012-08-23 0:41
Fuck, another part of my current laptop just failed. So far I have three defective parts. Come on already, Lemote.
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Anonymous2012-08-23 3:16
>>190
You're a faggot, I hope your Lemotes dies in a fire.
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Anonymous2012-08-23 3:48
>>191
You're a freedom-hating piece of shit, I hope your government kills you in a fire.
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Anonymous2012-08-23 5:06
LOLOLOL IS UR LEMOTE DED
U MENA LAMOTE
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Anonymous2012-08-24 11:27
Still waiting, Lemote.
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Anonymous2012-08-24 11:42
>Loongson insiders revealed a new model based on the Loongson 3A quad-core laptop has been developed and was expected to launch in August 2011.
>expected to launch in August 2011
>2011
An advice, keep waiting because Lemote is on a 100% state sponsored mission. There's no short term, mid term or long term economical pressure for them to perform at all. The actually stated goal is to succeed on technological terms in long terms. That's at least 25 years from now!
But I doubt the PRC means 25 years, because it is not realistic. It's more likely something the PRC will upgrade to their 50-years cycle. That's when their engineers expect Lemoto to have a 100% native computer that can compete with the best.
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Anonymous2012-08-24 13:14
>>196
Very amusing, fagshit. You'll see, I'll be running my secure computer in no time.
Although if these faggots don't release it in a few months, I'll probably get myself an X60s and put coreboot on it.
>>200
I don't see the words "implying RMS doesn't practise what he preaches" in >>199-san's post, which leads me to think you don't know how to use the quoting function.
You shouldn't rely on one manufacterer for providing you computing freedom. Write snail mail to Lenovo and such using the Andy Dufresne method. If enough people do this, they will reconsider their positions and become more freedom-respecting.
>>221
We don't rely on one, we just happen to support the one manufacturer who does provide freedom in their notebook computers. I do like your suggestion to try improve the state of affairs for users. I have personally written letters outlining my opinion on the matter of user freedom to the ODM companies as well as to the brand owners and their distributors. While I'm pessimistic of any changes resulting from my letters, I can certainly say that my actions raise awareness about people who care for user freedom - even if it stays solely within the business communication gatekeepers.
>>227
What do you mean? I'm giving you the "freedom" to use your inferior architecture, aren't I?
Hipsters like you are the reason Unix is still shitty.
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Anonymous2012-08-28 15:48
>>228
You don't know shit about me, sonny. Go play with your Microsoft toys.
>>242
My current laptop dates from four years ago and various non-critical parts are already failing; it would be really nice if Lemote released its magnificent RMS-approved secure laptop before some critical part fails as well.
>>265
Don't resellers get lower prices for buying bulk quantities? 1100 USD sounds like a large amount of money to pay for a laptop. Also, they forgot to include battery information.
>>265 1102 USD
Let's see how >>1-neckbeard manages to pay for this one!
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Anonymous2012-09-01 4:50
What? 1100 bucks for a shitty laptop with an average mobile phone processor? I guess Lemote did read that thread and thought that there are Americans stupid enough to pay that price if le Stallman is marketing it.
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Anonymous2012-09-01 6:46
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Anonymous2012-09-01 7:27
>>280
In my opinion, the value I get from this notebook (it's completely free) is well worth the price I pay for it. For me, my right to control my own computer is priceless or in this case, 1100 bucks.
For that price, the battery better last over six hours.
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Anonymous2012-09-01 14:21
>>282
Still, it's a bit sad that I can buy fiveusedLenovo X60s and put coreboot on them for the price of one Lemote Yeeloong 8133. Let's first see what price they'll put it up for on Aliexpress...
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Anonymous2012-09-01 15:52
>>284
The problem is that your Lenovo will be way too fast compared to the crippled Lemote. Think also of the headache induced by the huge number of ports available to your mainstream architecture.
I'll stick with MIPS, thank you.
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Anonymous2012-09-01 17:48
>>284
Yes, that solution is valid if your goal was simply to get a free notebook computer. I'd also like to support computer manufacturers who release computer systems that are free by default.
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Anonymous2012-09-01 18:24
>>286
I'd do the same if I had more money than my student status permits. I don't even know if I should wait for the aliexpress price to be put up, I'm pretty sure it's going to be over what I can afford (which is around $600).