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Tracker Music

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-14 5:41

Is there a Common Lisp library for playing it? (no pun intended)

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-14 8:51

http://www.cliki.net/CL-IO-MOD
Might do the job for one format. You'd have to import some other library to play the decoded sound (there were multiple such libraries, like http://lispgames.org/index.php/Cl-openal ).

If I was you, I'd use one of the available players written in C and just import them as they're fast and reliable (this is what I'd do for any language, be it C or something high-level).

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-14 9:31

>>2

http://www.cliki.net/CL-IO-MOD
Repository looks empty:
http://feelingofgreen.ru:3000/projects/cl-io-mod/repository

You'd have to import some other library to play the decoded sound (there were multiple such libraries, like http://lispgames.org/index.php/Cl-openal ).
openal is C/C++.

If I was you, I'd use one of the available players written in C
What if I dislike C?

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-14 9:54

>>3
Get over it or write your own library.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-14 11:02

>>3
It's not empty, 7 revisions and 4 files (mod.lisp, packages.lisp, cl-io-mod.asd, mod-form.txt).

If you want something else other than OpenAL, you'll just have to write bindings for each OS individually, I don't particularily see much of a difference, unless you dislike C so much that you'll code an entire Lisp OS, just so your code doesn't touch any C directly.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-14 12:40

>>5
It's not empty, 7 revisions and 4 files (mod.lisp, packages.lisp, cl-io-mod.asd, mod-form.txt).
Maybe I'm bling, but none of them contains waveform producing code.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-14 13:13

>>4
write your own library.
1. Writing good library hardly take 48 hours (http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1315916790).
2. There is no accessible tutorial on audio processing (all require some FFT and integrals shit).

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-14 13:45

>>7
FFT is not very difficult.  And it's probably not integration, it's probably summation, which is just adding in a loop.  I'd contribute to the effort but I don't know or care what "tracker music" is.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-14 14:10

>>8
Please, tell us the meaning of "∞" sign in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinc_function, which is used for mixing samples into final PCM.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-14 14:21

>>8
I don't know or care what "tracker music" is.
It's like minecraft, but for audio.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-14 15:48

>>9
Are you retarded?

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-14 15:54

>>9
Kill yourself you nazi pigfucking jew.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-14 16:02

>>11>>12
Are you retarded?

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-14 21:13

>>13
Please optimize your quoting !

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-15 12:27

>>7,9
Hi ``in LISP'' guy. Time for me to read some ZFC-related book now.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-15 14:10

>>9
Something a finitist like you doesn't believe in.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-15 14:21

>>16
He should have had more trouble with the trig functions and implied real numbers than the infinity symbol. His not believing in any form of infinity weakly implies that he thinks any form of induction (such as how naturals are defined to be repeated application of a successor function (1+) to an initial symbol/value (0)) is bound to fail (why? not sure, but I think it has to do with an irrealist/solipsist position which only claims that only that which we perceive is real and nothing more and any form of abstract thinking is pointless(which makes me wonder why does he code at all? that involves abstract thinking, despite that he claims no such abstract thinking occured and it was just the process of thinking)).

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-15 19:06

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-15 19:10

>>18
What exactly does qualia have to do with this? It either exists and has neural correlates (which are likely one and the same, from different perspectives, inside-view/outside-view), or it doesn't exist (would be rather strange, but there are enough people that take the eliminativist view).

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-15 19:12

If it's not Impulse Tracker, it's shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmhtc5S4atU

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-15 19:34

>>19
Does "Infinity" has neural correlates?

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-15 20:08

>>21
Do laws of physics have neural correlates?
I'd say: No. Neural correlates are a matter of structure. My conjecture is that if you were to replace some neural structure with its functional equivalent, you will still remain conscious and have "the same" conscious experience. This view of functionalism (or more strongly computationalism) is what I believe is true.
Since you didn't define ``Infinity'' in any way, I'll just go ahead and give a concrete example that might or might not make sense to you: take all possible laws of physics and the worlds that follow them (ours being one). Such laws could be described by a computational abstraction (such as an Universal Turing Machine, or Peano Arithmetic, and they can implement each other as shown by the Church Turing Thesis (there are some rigorous proofs of this)) and are thus enumerable (as many as natural numbers, or countably infinite or ℵ0). One conjecture is that our world is one such computable world (some physicists might disagree and involve higher infinities by invoking a continuum such as ℵ1 or higher, I'm not doing this here as I'm undecided about wether a continuum can physically exist, and you who wants to deny the infinity of ℵ0 would probably have even more problems with higher infinities). Now within this world, there exists self-aware substructures such as ourselves. By virtue of our implementation we are conscious (in some specific self-referential/transparent form) and might have qualia, but that's because of our structure, not because of anything else. The laws of physics may have ``qualia'', but that's absolutely irrelevant as their function is too low-level and simple and any ``qualia'' it may have are unlikely to be anything like ours, thus there's no way to actually relate to it. My understanding of qualia is how a particular structure (such as a consistent mathematical structure) feels from the inside (or what it's like to be some structure). The brain is how our mind looks from the outside. I should also mention that a structure may embed another structure and so on recursively, but each structure is a separate thing (and if qualia exists, has separate qualia). For example, you have Peano Arithmetic or "Our Laws Of Physics" containing an embedding of a computational device (let's make it finite to please you) such as a CPU. Now this CPU is running some software. The software in this case is a theorem prover which contains rules for some iterative set theory or maybe Peano Arithmetic or maybe Robinson Arithmetic. The laws of physics or PA cannot say anything about the semantics of what they are running (in this case a CPU), no more than the CPU can say anything about the semantics of the theorem prover which implements PA or some set theory, no more than your neuron can understand the structure of the whole brain (you might have noticed that this also shows exactly what's wrong with the Chinese Room Argument). They all run at different levels and embody different functionalities and structures.

Either way, if you reject infinity in any form, that is almost the same as rejecting induction. That is, you reject that given some predicate P(k), that if you can prove that P(n) implies P(n+1), and if base case P(0) is trivially true, then P might not be true generally (you're rejecting the axiom schema of induction). For me it seems trivial to believe that if P(0) is true and if we proved that P(n) implies P(n+1), then we can follow it as P(0)->P(1)->P(2)->P(3)->... for all possible values of n (and this is where the infinity appears). For you, it might not be trivial, but why? If it's qualia, then qualia must have some ground-of-being as well, and I think the language of mathematics and logic is a suitable one to represent it (even if we may have inconsistent and thus fictional structures within current mathematics, but that's something which can be dealt within math itself, incompleteness theorems not withstanding).

Name: >>22 2011-09-15 20:15

I should also mention that accepting some form of induction (such as non-mathematical ones) in the physical world tends to be common of us conscious creatures because it's how we think - we think the sun will rise tommorow, we think things will still work more or less consistently and following the laws of physics. If they didn't? We'd stop being conscious (anthropic principle), so the longer we stay conscious, the longer we can believe in them. At the same time, it's unfalsifiable, we'll never experience the moment of having no conscious because experience is consciousness. We can either never be wrong or be wrong, but never be able to know of our wrongness.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-15 20:16

>>22
Do laws of physics have neural correlates?
Because there are no "laws".
Only notes in a notepad of researcher.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-15 20:20

>>24
There is enough order to support our existence, without it we wouldn't exist in the first place. Whatever the mechanics are there at the lowest level is what I call "the laws of physics". Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity are just shadows of them.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-15 20:23

>>22
you didn't define ``Infinity'' in any way
Neither does Wikipedia ot Calculus books. They also omit definition of "Set", saying that it should be "obvious", which reminds me of /b/, where anon argues that "you are gay and your mom is a whore, because it's obvious"

take all possible laws of physics and the worlds that follow them (ours being one).
Your search - "all possible laws of physics" - did not match any documents.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-15 20:25

>>25
There is only what you see. Stop excogitating.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-15 20:39

>>27
I refuse to not follow the implications of what I observe. I might as well be dead if I refuse to think.
>>26
They also omit definition of "Set", saying that it should be "obvious", which reminds me of /b/, where anon argues that "you are gay and your mom is a whore, because it's obvious"
I've read an interesting book that gives a fairly intruitive definition of what a set is (even the infinite kind). Read some of Boolos' books if you want an introduction. There are multiple definitions, and not all mathematicians use the exact same ones, which is why one should get familiar with more of them. The traditional definition as given by ZFC is a bit confusing because it's not obvious where the axioms come from (they are a bit artificial because they tried to avoid the paradoxes of naive set theory (see Russel's Paradox)), that is, the axioms seem a bit randomly chosen and too complex. An iterative version of set theory is much more intuitive and turns out it can be used as a model for ZFC and its axioms are theorems of that set theory (read: "Logic, logic, logic" for a presentation on it). You will also understand exactly where the infinity comes from in the iterative version (it's because there is an ordering relation and in that ordering relation an axiom states that there always exists a literal value defined to not follow immediately from any other values (not by a successor function), and this is where most of Cantor's infinities(ordinals) come from (that and induction)).
Your search - "all possible laws of physics" - did not match any documents.
I'll just copy paste the standard answer to this question:

http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9704009
http://arxiv.org/abs/0704.0646
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0011122
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0510188
http://arxiv.org/abs/0912.5434
http://www.hpcoders.com.au/nothing.html
http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_mathematics#Mathematical_Monism

http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/PERMUTATION/Permutation.html

http://lesswrong.com/lw/uk/beyond_the_reach_of_god/
http://lesswrong.com/lw/1zt/the_mathematical_universe_the_map_that_is_the/
http://lesswrong.com/lw/qr/timeless_causality/

Would very much recommend at least reading Tegmark's paper and possibly "Theory of Nothing" (because it provides an interesting view which matches too close to home(quantum mechanics)). Or the last 3 if you're too lazy to actually read whole books or papers.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-15 23:27

>>16
Your sentence structure is ugly. Let me fix that for you.

He should have had more trouble with the trig functions and implied real numbers than the infinity symbol. His not believing in any form of infinity weakly implies that he thinks any form of induction (such as how naturals are defined to be repeated application of a successor function (1+) to an initial symbol/value (0)) is bound to fail. Why? I'm not sure, but I think it has to do with an irrealist/solipsist position which only claims that only that which we perceive is real and nothing more and any form of abstract thinking is pointless. This makes me wonder why does he code at all? Coding involves abstract thinking, despite that he claims no such abstract thinking occured and it was just the process of thinking.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-16 3:41

>>29
Corrections:
His disbelief in any form of infinity [...]
This makes me wonder: [...]

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-16 4:58

>>29-30
I realize should sometimes edit my braindump responses.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-16 6:10

>>17
I was just kidding. This thread is a joke (see "tell us the meaning of "∞" sign").

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-16 8:17

>>32
Are you going to break our collective inexistent hearts by saying >>9 isn't ``in LISP''/ultrafinitist guy?

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-16 10:15

>>20
FastTracker II, bitch

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-16 10:53

>>33
I think it's another not so subtle troll or a guy whose joke was equally misunderstood by a population of autists.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-16 11:30

>>35
Yeah! Infinity is joke.

Name: Anonymous 2011-09-16 20:24

>>36
Yeah! Your mom is infinity.

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