Dod needs rogue games in Lisp. If you code rogue games in Lisp they will come for you.
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Agent Johnson2011-09-02 12:01
There is secret research in our underground lab on creating the most resource hogging game ever, i can't say much more as it is classified a X-class cyberweapon capable of bringing Xeon servers to their knees.
>>8
Blocky looks quite interesting. I first noticed the screenshots and immediately thought of CLIM and OpenGenera. Looking back at the blog, it seems they are some in the influences that led to writing of blocky. Maybe I'll play with it when I have the time. >>12
He appears to be afraid of being in contact with commercial entities as to avoid being trapped by some IP laws/shrink-wrap EULAs (think patents, NDAs and non-compete clauses). I figure it would be a wise thing to do for an open-source developer depending on the laws of the country in which you reside/have citizenship on. It's the same kind of paranoia that rms would have you going when using mono or c# (or anything from MS) - to avoid getting trapped by patents.
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Anonymous2011-09-03 7:59
>>19
>It's the same kind of paranoia that rms would have you going when using mono or c# (or anything from MS) - to avoid getting trapped by patents
You have to consider the context under the existance of Mono. MS. MS has promised not sue implementations of a specific version of the .Net standard. This promise does not cover unauthorised variants. This promise does not cover .Net standard libraries. A further thing to consider is MS's MO and stance toward FOSS.
How to break your legally binding promises -- the legal way:
1. Never outright license.
2. Only promise not to sue...
2.1. Over patents you control.
3. Sell patents to patent troll and/or puppet company.
3.1. Voilà you no longer control the patents
4. Set us up the patent bomb.
5. Profit
I predict nothing will happen to Mono now or even within two years time (maybe nothing will ever happen). The fact that MS holds important patent rights over key .Net infrastructure makes it risky for the FOSS movement to depend upon these .Net infrastructure. Why? The MS MO shows it is not trustworthy.
As for David O'Toole's case, I don't know about the details so I cannot compare it to Mono paranoia.
As far as patents go, it looks like all the interesting stuff in Blocky (even the stuff that looks innovative) is actually borrowed from pretty old systems (Smalltalk, Self) and university and/or public-funded tech.
(Actually that's a great approach if you think about it, because mining Citeseer and old public research projects for ideas is a great way to systematically establish bona fide prior art for every concept and technique employed in the program.)
Welcome to the patent hell that the US has become, where the more creative a programmer you are, the more time and effort you must spend making damn sure you don't actually innovate.
If we USians weren't also simultaneously fucked in every other department of nationhood, I'd really worry about the impact software patents are having on our IT competitiveness. But the transition to a service/tech economy is actually what ruined us. Software patents are just ruining the outcome of THAT.
>>29 I, too, see nothing wrong with the idea that a proprietary corporation might be afraid of competition from a Lisp video game engine, and concoct elaborate schemes involving DoD and patents to eliminate this threat. Happens all the time, actually. No signs of paranoia and delusion of grandeur can be seen here. I'm deadly serious and am not giggling like a schoolgirl at all, especially not at the "competition from a Lisp video game engine".
>>32
not sure, but you should check my dubz just in case
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Anonymous2011-09-08 20:30
>>31 My point was to alert people to non-compete issues and patents that may affect them. I never said anything about competition, unless I'm somehow forgetting the source for your quote? It's not clear if you've read the actual two or three archived posts at issue here because none of them have the phrase you put in quotes and giggle at.
I have since learned that I was not the only person contacted privately, in this fashion, by that guy, on that mailing list.
Video games have been no exception to the increasing use of patent warfare. If anything it's worse because of all the Media Lab grads.
If I am paranoid about the legal environment it's because I spent about 2 years on the administration team at a successful video game company that was constantly being sued.
Read the original email near the bottom of the cryptome post.
---BEGIN QUOTE---
Sorry to be brief. Am on family vacation & using itsy-bitsy phone to
reply hopefully only to you. Am working on hopefully industrial
strength lisp based simulation/game. Am located in MA. Would love to
have a chat about what you're doing & what your goals are. Am under
non-compete with simulation company I co-founded & sold (mak.com) -
agreement is up 21 Dec this year. Have code in the can - mostly
server stuff - but cannot release anything yet. Please reply if
interested in chatting - I'll buy.
---END QUOTE---
So, man, "industrial strength lisp simulation/game" was precisely the proprietary business being discussed---his words,not mine.
quite germane to the software patent in question, AND the non compete issues, and ALL this creepily not disclosed to the mailing list nor to the others being emailed privately.
get it?
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Anonymous2011-09-08 21:06
what does check my dubz mean
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Anonymous2011-09-08 21:08
the patent is now owned by ST Engineering, a Singaporean firm mostly owned by the government of Singapore
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Toole!!li7+m9VxRTkcfW+2011-09-08 21:31
Hi, I am the David T. O'Toole named in the title of this forum. Since I am a private individual who is the subject of a discussion on a public forum, and since most likely the only thing I can do to correct misstatements is to respond to them here, I would like to post my public key as myself using a secure tripcode for the post.
-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)
>>41 I've consolidated most of my various related code into Blocky, not erased it. However, I've changed my website several times, and I have a tendency to rename repositories.
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Anonymous2011-09-08 22:18
Real question for "The REAL DTO"
Hey when you read Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus was it because
1. it reminded you of ORG mode?
1.1 as inspiration for your new object model?
1.1.1 it can fold nicely?
>>44
I like to publish patent infringing code into the public domain. One would have to do some serious data analysis to trace that code back to me.
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Anonymous2011-09-09 2:16
>>46
Unless you use i2p/tor/freenet to publish you can be traced, since IP and public proxies have logs(ISP logs IP connections).
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Anonymous2011-09-09 5:51
Every industry has one. The free-thinking rebel that redefines the rules. He says what no-one else will say and does what no-one else will do. Fuelled by raw passion, he seizes an art form by the throat and drags it to its apex. What they invented, he makes it sing. His peers hate him but the public love his style. At once he intimidates and inspires; breaking down the walls that secure some yet block others. Welcome to David O Toole's Lisp video game engine.
>>47
I know that. The point is if they really wanted to nail me for something like that, they'd have to do serious effort. What are the chances they'd invest that effort for the work I've published anonymously? I'm willing to bet next to nothing.
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Anonymous2011-09-09 6:01
>>50
Shut up retard. No one would go after you. If it's patented, the panent is openly viewable too, and so anyone of sufficient ability could write their own implementation.
It's the use of code in a commerical product that would get their goat.
i guess Eric Schmidt is right. anonymity makes the internet suck.
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Toole!!li7+m9VxRTkcfW+2011-09-09 8:49
some of you are budding essayists it seems.
maybe some random millionaire doing a Lisp startup, will appear out of nowhere to offer you a job over lunch, where you get paid to write one-paragraph essays on 4chan about him.
>>54
I take it you are a millionaire doing a Lisp startup, but, as you rather poignantly point out, you aren't going to offer any of us here a job just for our literary exercises? Oh my, I woe the missed opportunity!
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Toole!!li7+m9VxRTkcfW+2011-09-09 9:28
>>55 Proves you didn't read the original post, since otherwise you'd know that I was the one invited to lunch, not the one doing the inviting. In >>54 I was saying maybe HE will offer YOU a job next.
>>56
But that random millionaire doing a Lisp startup was inviting you to lunch not to offer a job, but to convince you to use his code in your Lisp video game engine and then sue you for patent infringement! So we have missed the bullet here, basically, didn't we?
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Toole!!li7+m9VxRTkcfW+2011-09-09 9:48
Wrong again, he doesn't even own the patent anymore.
I haven't posted on /prog/ in days, could the FBI have me locked up?
The FBI hasn't posted on /prog/ in days, could I have them locked up?
Could the FBI be me?
Could I be the NSA?
Or is there another, less sinister reason that I like to rectally probe young men?
guys (and girls) he's cryptographically signed, it must be legit.
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Anonymous2012-08-30 10:56
Why do all the mental cases flock to /prog/?
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Anonymous2012-08-30 10:59
David O Toole was contacted by the US Government regarding his lisp hacking.
I've been unable to contact him in the last few months.
Dang, nigga prolly got iced for giving people speech impediments.
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FFP2012-09-01 19:52
Mensa is a sexist term. I demand that it be renamed to Personsa.