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Name: OFFENSIVE NAME 2011-06-02 16:55

HIGHLY OFFENSIVE RANT ABOUT HASKELL

AUTISM

MORE AUTISM

EVEN MORE AUTISM

OHGOD AUTISM EVERYWHERE

LISP

LISP IS GOOD

LISP IS BETTER THAN EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE IN

LISP GIVES ME A RAGING BONER

I WANT TO MARRY LISP

OH LORD IN HEAVEN I LOVE LISP SO MUCH I WOULD KILL MYSELF FOR LISP

ALSO EMACS

WINDOWS IS PIG DISGUSTING

I AM USING SOLARIS BECAUSE I KNOWS TEH LUNIX

AND TOTALLY NOT BECAUSE I AM FUCKING STUCK AT MY JOB AS SERVER ADMINISTRATOR (ALSO A RONERY FAGGOT)

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-03 6:49

>>24
C/C++ has #define. Even BASH has textual substitution
You don't understand immediate words.

>>25
already got ban there.
Try the textboard. Get out.

>>27
Yeah, let's get more >>24s in and let them shit up this place with their antijews shit and opinion-driven language bashing with no evidence whatsoever on why they are bad except ``lol their jews''.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-03 7:17

>>41
>You don't understand immediate words.
How are they better than #define?

>Try the textboard. Get out.
Science = Set Theory. You love Set Theory. Maybe you should go there?

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-03 7:19

>>42
How are they better than #define?
Just like Lisp macros are better than #defines.
Science = Set Theory. You love Set Theory. Maybe you should go there?
No, go there.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-03 19:00

>>43
Just like Lisp macros are better than #defines.
List macros work with lists. Forth has no lists.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-03 22:17

>>44
implying you can't implement forth in lisp

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-03 23:56

>>45
implying implementing forth in lisp would add anything to what lisp provides out-of-box

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 0:14

>>44
Forth immediate words work on, well, the stack and Forth words.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 0:20

>>47
Can you express a LOOP macro, using them?

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 1:54

Immediate words have much in common with imiaslavie.

The idea that naming is an act of creation goes
back very far in religious and mythological
thought. The claim has been made that the
Egyptian god Ptah created with his tongue
that which he conceived. In the Jewish mystical
tradition of the Kabbala (Book of Creation,
Zohar), there is a belief in creation
through emanation, and the name of God is
considered holy.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 2:12

>>49
Ancient Egyptians were no better than jews.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 2:54

>>50
And Onomatodoxy is part of the Russian Orthodox Church, what now? You are trying to establish the pertinence of theories according to the moral values you associate with civilizations where these theories were born. How is that scientific or pertinent? It's bullshit paranoia, IIMI.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 2:59

>>51
As goes the russian saying: you need to understand what you understand.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 3:38

>>52

Popular sibylline village saying as an argument.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 3:39

>>53
What do you understand under the term "argument"?

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 3:48

>>54
Making your point with a popular sibylline ...

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 3:53

>>55
What is my point?

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 4:43

>>56
Your point is: I hate Jews, therefore Set Theory is wrong.

I don't quite understand, but old Greeks and there logic might be another Jewish trick.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 4:45

>>57
*their, oh Dear...

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 4:56

>>57
Your point is: I hate Jews, therefore Set Theory is wrong.
Nope. I hate jews no more than I hate rats or other vermins. I just pointed that the founders of the Set Theory were religious and jewish, and that you can't show us that for every N there is an unique N+1 > N. You also can't show us, where do we need infinitesimals in practice and why can't we replace modern mathematics with something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_trigonometry, that completly avoids notion of infinity.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 4:58

>>48
Probably, but that's not how you use Forth.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 4:58

>>57
Zeno was a smart greek, he showed us that you can't express "continuous" motion, so that there must be quants.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 5:00

>>60
Everything, where you use Forth, you can use Lisp instead.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 5:08

>>62
>everywhere
self fix

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 5:08

>>62
A minimal Forth implementation is smaller than a minimal Lisp implementation. It's perfect for embdedded systems, it's perfect for low-level programming, it's complementary to Lisp. You clearly haven't achieved Satori, and never will, ignorant antijew pig.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 5:54

>>64
He'll probably blame satori as a jewish invention designed to create financial opportunities to the enlightened.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 9:45

>>59
and that you can't show us that for every N there is an unique N+1 > N
Why not?
Let's say you define a system where M is the largest number. You can prove that said system is consistent internally and all that.
Now suddenly M isn't enough to express your problem so you redefine it to be 2*M, or M+1 in size (still finite). You keep doing that as your needs increase. Can you show that no such further redefinition is possible?

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 10:11

>>59
For which number N is there no N+1 > N? Then, what is the cardinality of the power set of a set with cardinality N?

Also, fuck off.

Name: >>66 2011-06-04 10:19

>>67
I think >>59 thinks Peano axioms are not consistent, despite that the only thing we know is that we cannot prove their consistency within only themselves (but we can do that for finite sets, but can we do so for all finite sets?).

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 13:19

MORE LIKE
ZISC OR GTFO
AMIRITE LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLZzz!!11oNE!!1ONE1!

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 15:36

>For which number N is there no N+1 > N?
For the size of observable universe. There is nothing after it.

>Then, what is the cardinality of the power set of a set with cardinality N?
please, define "set"

>>64
A minimal Forth implementation is smaller than a minimal Lisp implementation.
Why would you want a complete compiler on embedded system?

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 15:39

>>70
Why would you want a complete compiler on embedded system?
A complete minimal Forth implementation could fit in your MBR.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 15:45

>>71
And you can code a 3d-intro in your MBR. So what?

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 15:52

>>72
In less than 510 bytes? I doubt it.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 15:56

>>66
>Can you show that no such further redefinition is possible?
Can you show us, that you have enough paper and ink to write such a number, that is: to continue applying successor axiom S(S(S(...))) ad infinitum?

>>73
Ask demosceners.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 16:10

>>70
For the size of observable universe. There is nothing after it.
Okay, so such a system with N equal to all the informational content that can be stored in our universe, you're claiming that such N+1 cannot ``exist''.

My question to you would be why do you think this particular universe exists? Why this particular size? Why these particular ``laws of physics''?

My personal opinion on this is that the universe is isomorphic to some system which can be described formally and maybe such systems are even enumerable (so in your beloved set theoretic way I would say that the cardinality of the set of all universes is at least countably infinite (I'm not claiming that any such universe is infinite or that it require non-computational laws!)), although wether they are truly enumerable is unknown (but all Turing Machines are).

If you're going to claim that no other such formal systems (and thus universes) exist, you will have to justify why exactly only this particular instance with these particular rules exists.

If you're going to claim that others may exist, but that their number is finite, you will have to justify why you chose a maximum number of such systems (remember, they do not exist within our universe, they are universes themselves, so the argument that N(as previously mentioned) is the maximum number cannot hold as there can be an universe which can hold N+1 information).

While your argument is fine for systems we can practically implement within our own universe, it cannot hold for more abstract systems (such as other possible universes).

I suppose you could claim that you're a full-on solipsist and the physical reality does not exist in any way or form and that your mind's states are not supervenient to physical states within this universe and if you do that, I cannot argue with you as changing your mind through physical means also means destroying your current state of mind and thus would not be proof to yourself (it can only be proof for a third party).

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 16:17

>>70
>There is nothing after it.
define "nothing"

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 16:19

>>75
My question to you would be why do you think this particular universe exists? Why this particular size? Why these particular ``laws of physics''?
I see it. But I don't see that for each N there is N+1 > N.

While your argument is fine for systems we can practically implement within our own universe, it cannot hold for more abstract systems (such as other possible universes).
While your argument is fine for our mortal world, the God will punish you to Hell!!11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager

Please, stop seeing invisible pink unicorns.

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 16:19

>>76
Aren't you and >>70 the same person? Both completly finitist and quoting improperly to troll people?

Name: Anonymous 2011-06-04 16:21

>>76
Infinity, God, The Set of All Sets, Which Don't Contain Itselves.

Name: >>76 2011-06-04 16:23

>>78
I was sorry for >>75, who took him seriously, and wanted to point out that >>70-kun doesn't believe in infinity, but he does believe in ``nothing'', which is as abstract as infinity (empty set, anyone?)

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