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So how many of you are enterprise developers?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 9:35

I'm a /prog/rider who's been doing actual ENTERPRISE development for about a year.

Stuff I realize now:

* The main incentive for properly separating application layers and making sure your code doesn't have anything hard coded in it isn't really robustness, flexibility, scalability, etc. It's protecting yourself from stupid clients. Clients have a hard time explaining themselves, and they often don't know what they really want or need. They might change their minds at the last moment, or believe that some change they forgot to mention is "tiny". Enterprise-grade software is client-proof software.

* Enterprise software must be practical, not smart. Sometimes the client will love you for creating a butt-ugly UI that allows him to shove all the data in a single window, and disdain you for building something that is usable, pretty, and elegant.

* The greatest danger an enterprise developer might face is maintaining old code. All efforts should be made to write code that's easy to maintain. This has a very sad consequence: you have to dumb it down. Nobody knows functional programming; avoid lambda expressions, lists, filter, map, reduce. Keep it simple. You don't have to comment fucking everything, but at least give a general idea of WTF you're doing in complex pieces and give your variables and methods names that make sense. Verbosity goes together with algorithmical complexity: if you're writing something simple, write concise code; if you're writing something intricate, make it verbose. Forget language-specific tricks.

* Don't write anything serious right before your vacation.

* Always write a document describing the general architecture of your software. Stick to it. Don't be a dickhead, don't make yourself irreplaceable. Think about the people who'll do emergency maintenance on your application.

* Women are terrible coders. Especially the pretty ones. Always revise their shit.

* Bosses and software "engineers" are mostly useless unless they can write good code. I'm not saying they should: I mean this is how you test them for decency. If you're unsure about your boss, ask him about his past professional life, what projects he worked on, etc. If he's been a programmer in the past, great. If he hasn't, be careful. Watch out for stupid decisions that might impact your work. Always keep that in mind.

* Java development is a pain in the ass, but everything is free. .NET development is not a pain in the ass, but everything costs money.

* Good PHP code is impossible to write. If you think you wrote good PHP code, you're wrong.

* Always keep friendly relationships with the network, server and database guys. They mostly hate developers, and they can and will fuck you over.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 10:06

TIL on how to be a proper borg drone.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 10:14

>>1
* Women are terrible coders. Especially the pretty ones. Always revise their shit.
Erika proves you wrong.

* Always keep friendly relationships with the network, server and database guys. They mostly hate developers, and they can and will fuck you over.
Having been on both sides of this blood feud, I can tell you that it's for a very good reason.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 10:19

>>3
Erika proves you wrong.
Proof?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 10:20

>>3
Erika can't code. You just proved his point. And she has a delicious penis

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 10:22

>>5
Might I quickly add here that Cudder and HAHAHaruhi can code to some degree. Although it was never truly proven that they were female

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 10:27

>>6
Cudder is a MTF attention whore ``transsexual'' and can't code. I don't think there was ever any suggestion HAHAHaruhi was anything but male, though I've never seen any of his code, I don't think.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 10:30

>>5
Proof?
Can't code as in "isn't a programmer" or as in "programs like FV"?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 10:32

Transsexuals don't count as women. Sorry, guys.

Name: Xarn !Rmk.XarnE2!OR/nEWfAt6nbhpH 2010-07-18 10:35

>>5
I can tell you that you're wrong on both counts.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 10:38

>>10
Her penis isn't delicious?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:11

>>1
This
All efforts should be made to write code that's easy to maintain. ...avoid lambda expressions, lists, filter, map, reduce. Keep it simple. ...give a general idea of WTF you're doing in complex pieces and give your variables and methods names that make sense. Verbosity goes together with algorithmical complexity: if you're writing something simple, write concise code; if you're writing something intricate, make it verbose. Forget language-specific tricks.
And especially this. 90% of the code on this board (and open source projects in general) is unmaintainable shit. No one sees it because too many nerds are drunk on the klever-kode-koolaid.
This is also why Lisp will never be a mainstream language.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:21

write code that's easy to maintain. ...avoid lambda expressions, lists, filter, map, reduce.
so... make code easy to maintain by avoiding high-level abstractions?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:27

>>13
What part of "dumb it down" did you not understand?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:31

>>14
I don't know if there are any parts of ``dumb it down'' >>13 doesn't understand, but you've certainly demonstrated which parts you don't.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:31

>>13
avoid […] reduce
'sup Guido.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:33

>>1,12,14
More evidence that the ENTERPRISE only attracts the least competent.

Are Xarn and Erika officially a couple now?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:36

>>15
The point isn't that high-level abstractions should be avoided, but that unconventional abstractions are difficult (in the long run) to maintain.

I love functional programming, but a lot of people don't even know it exists. There is no point in writing code that people won't understand.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:37

>>17
That's true. Nobody's denying that. But we all need jobs.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:38

Xarn is an asshole. I don't know what Erika sees in him.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:45

>>20
Perhaps Erika found something interesting while exploring his anal cavity with her 20 inch cock.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:46

>>17
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Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:47

>>19
I don't see why people who don't know how to program should be employed as programmers.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:47

I dont like this Xarn guy, he seems like /b///r9k/er to me.

I hope he dies soon.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:48

I dont like this Xarn guy, he seems like /b///r9k/er to me.

I hope he dies soon.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:50

>>18
There is no point in writing code that people won't understand.
If people don't understand code written in the language they were employed to maintain code in, they have no business being employed. Stop making excuses for enabling the rampantly incompetent.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:50

>>24,25
0/10

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:52

>>24,25
You have no idea what you're talking about.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:54

>>22
Aren't they at least an Atlantic Ocean apart? How do they have sex? Teledildonics?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 11:57

>>28
>>27
Excuse me?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 12:01

>>30
Your quote references are:
• unoptimized
• unsorted.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 12:08

>>31
Is your quote handling mechanism(intercranial nerve center) not scalable enough to support unsorted/unoptimized quotes?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 12:28

>>31
Well, im sorry about that. Im just used to make replies to single posts.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 14:17

>>32
Did you know that if you click references, your browser will take you to just the posts being referenced?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 14:20

>>32
intercranial
Just how many heads do you have, and why is your brain not in any of them?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 14:22

From trolls to trolls, from shitposts to shitposts. This thread has come full circle.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 14:31

>>18
"lambda expressions, lists, filter, map, reduce" are not "unconventional abstractions". they were all around for decades before the steaming pile of shit that sepples programmers call object-oriented programming.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 14:42

>>3
I have too. Here's a gem:

do {
  // connect
  // select * from some_table
  // $n = numrows
  // close connection
 
  // connect
  // select * from same_table offset rand($n) limit 1
  // close
 
  // check returned row against greatly exclusive criteria
} while(!critera_met);

What is it about PHP that makes people write like this?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 14:56

What is it about PHP that makes people write like this?
maybe it's the fact that your code ends running slow as fuck and full of bugs even if you write good code, so there's no motivation to even try to write good code?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 15:00

avoid lambda expressions, lists, filter, map, reduce.
Keep it simple.

Choose 1.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 15:23

>>38
You better be trolling. I can't believe someone actually wrote something like that. I don't want to believe it.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 15:24

>>38
This doesn't do anything.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 16:07

>>42
That's not true. If critera_met (sic) has been initialised to false or one of its many equivalents, it will display a time-out message.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 16:11

>>41
I wish I was. It gets worse: there were only 3 entries in the table that satisfied the criteria... which is why it was brought to my attention.

>>42
Oh how witty you are, you pedantic spaz. The sad truth is you're almost right: more than 99% of the time it failed to do anything at all. If you got really lucky it would find a suitable row before the HTTP timeout.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 18:18

>>6
HAHAHaruhi posted her (clothed) tits once. That was it.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 18:41

>>45
Only if by ``tits" you mean delicious flat chest.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 18:47

Nobody knows functional programming; avoid lambda expressions, lists, filter, map, reduce.
You're supposed to dumb it down so other less competent coders would understand your code?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 19:23

>>47
Indeed, lists are far too complicated for the average Enterprise coder

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 21:12

>>45
Was this on /prog/? Because I can't find it.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 21:42

>>36
THIS thread has not gone ANYWHERE.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 22:40

Sagefault (thread bumped).

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 23:13

* Women are terrible coders. Especially the pretty ones. Always revise their shit.
I have one counterexample to this generalization.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-18 23:17

>>45
Progress of this thread depends ON HAHAHaruhi's tits

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 0:07

>>53
That way lies disappointment.
[sup]>>46 is right.[/sub]

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 1:48

The only thing I agree with in this thread is that Xarn should die, like his father.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 8:56

Someone please sagetank this

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 9:14

>>56
It's not even close to being the worst thread on the front page, despite summerfriends like >>55.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 11:49

Always keep friendly relationships with the network, server and database guys. They mostly hate developers, and they can and will fuck you over.

THIS. I am root and I own the routers. Do not fuck with me or I will make your life shit.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 12:23

>>56
haha, bump

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 12:34

>>58
Back to your broom closet

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 12:59

>>55
Well, how are we going to do this?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 13:16

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 13:25

>>60
Someone's ldap/svn/git password just got "chage'd" on a random basis.

Oh yeah and your tickets to SysOps, they all get reassigned to the lowest priority. You will never be able to find out why either, shit just happens that no manager will ever know about, ever.

My glass house with raised floor beats your cube code monkey boy.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 13:29

>>63
i have the felling that you are a IHBT.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 13:44

>>58
I swear I have met so many sysop assholes who have some kind of chip on their shoulder about what they're doing such that they adopt precisely this shitty attitude. This is across the board -- in my professional life, obviously, but my own mother, who works at a small high school: her school's "sysop" gives her all sorts of various problems to this day because she once lodged a complaint about the email servers being down for two weeks a few summers ago. TWO WEEKS. So now he breaths down her usage like a hawk. My little old harmless mother. You're all fucking nerds with daddy issues. Get the fuck over yourself.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 13:54

Real life trolling is so much more satisfying than the online variety :)

If I can bring a frown to your day, that just makes me one contented admin.

Somewhere there's a fire, just waiting for lusers like you to die in.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 13:58

>>66
#define you me

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 14:11

>>63
How many boxes of McNuggets will it take to get porn on the production servers?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 14:12

>>67
#define my anus

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 14:12

>>65
The only problem with your story is that you left out the part your mom's email didn't work because she had the wrong email address, mail server settings and client program1 and refused to acknowledge any of it when corrected. She complained every day and refused to cooperate with troubleshooting for TWO WEEKS.

I just made that up, but we all know it's pretty damn accurate and it explains >>58's misanthropy quite well.

1. I don't care how cute the little dog is, you can't connect to email with that Mac FTP client.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 14:25

>>68
Ply me with Weed McNuggets and Beerverages and I will overlook your private stash of pr0ns, and the bandwidth it ate.

Can't have it on the prod boxes though. Just ain't proper. Dev boxes are another matter.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 14:30

I think there are about as many sysadmins who are pissed off because of moronic users as there are who act pissed off in the hopes that nobody will notice they don't actually have a clue what they're doing. I'm pretty sure >>58,63 is an example of the latter.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 14:31

>>72
Keep telling yourself that monkey boy.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 14:32

>>71
On the dev boxes it's just 'data'. (If anyone asks, it's for training the Bayesian filters.)

Name: >>72 2010-07-19 14:35

>>73
I'm actually employed as a sysadmin, not a programmer. An actual sysadmin, that is, not a high school kid who just read that BOFH crap and thinks that's the way the world works.

Name: Randy 2010-07-19 14:37

>>75
Wow. Just wow.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 14:40

>>75
Lies.

Name: VIPPER 2010-07-19 15:28

CYBERJEWS

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 22:30

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 22:39

>>79
What the fuck? This is even less than I was expecting which, given the current state of /prog/ was already very little

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-19 22:40

>>38
I suppose you'd prefer !critera_met to be at the top of the loop?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 6:02

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 9:01

>>80

It's been well established that he was not born a woman, did not undergo a gender transition surgery, and did stuff socks into a bra.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 10:25

>>83
That was a chest? I thought that was some sort of bed sheet.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 13:36

>>84
It's a shoulder.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 13:47

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Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 16:42

TL:DR this thread

OP: I am a good little corporate borg drone because I can only write code when someone else tells me what to write.

And then there were penises.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 20:32

Who is HAHAHaruhi? I haven't been to /prog/ in a while.

And fuck you Xarn, I won't use /prog/scrape.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 20:40

>>88
HAHAHAaruhi was clearly before your time

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 20:56

>>88
Use /prog/scrape.NET. It's faster, and it'll piss off Xarn.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 21:07

>>90
Thanks for the tip! I sure will.

It isn't perfectly ENTERPRISE, but it will do.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 21:10

>>90
Why have you suddenly started becoming so vocal Robert? I know your not new here

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 21:21

>>90
It's also broken. Is that a feature?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 21:21

>>92
>>90 isn't me.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 21:22

>>92
He's butthurt over that commit message.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 21:36

>>93
how is it broken?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-20 21:38

>>96
It runs on mono

Name: Anonymous 2010-09-11 12:47

df

Name: Anonymous 2010-09-11 12:50

>>92
your

Name: Anonymous 2010-09-11 13:19

The only sensible person in this entire thread was the OP, and even he was an asshole. Seriously, what is wrong with you people? Let's talk about programming like human beings.

Name: Anonymous 2010-09-11 13:23

>>100
You must be new here.

Name: Anonymous 2010-09-11 13:58

>>100
You sound like you just crawled out from under a rock for the first time in fifty years.
You think we should tell him a little about compilers?

Name: Anonymous 2010-09-11 15:04

>102 suck a dick lol

Name: VIPPER 2010-09-11 16:12

This thread is not VIP QUALITY.

Name: DQN 2010-09-11 16:21

This thread is DQN quality.

Name: Anonymous 2010-09-11 16:50

"The greatest danger an enterprise developer might face is maintaining old code. All efforts should be made to write code that's easy to maintain"

TDD or GTFO!

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