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In Galois fields, full of flowers

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 4:27

Primitive elements dance for hours

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 9:29

In Galois Fields, full of flowers
primitive elements dance for hours
climbing sequentially through the trees
and shouting occasional parities.

The syndromes like ghosts in the misty damp
feed the smoldering fires of the Berlekamp
and high flying exponents sometimes are downed
on the jagged peaks of the Gilbert bound.

- S.B. Weinstein (IEEE Transactions on Information Theory, March 1971)

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-06-30 11:38

What did he meant by 'primitive elements'?


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The sentence is only one of ways to write

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 11:43

>>3
Elements of the field which, when taken to successive powers, produce every other element in the field.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 11:54

>>3
READ SICP

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-06-30 12:09

>>5 I prefer to write. Reading wastes too much time.


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Turn on, Tune in, Drop out.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 12:23

>>5
asl???

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 12:38

>>6

you prefer to write SICP?

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 12:43

>>8
That's definitely a waste. SICP has already been written.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 12:50

SIFV isn't about JavaScript,it's about the algorithms those stupid conformists won't teach you(just because they're "impossible").

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 13:04

>>10
Chapter 1: Searching for exponents instead of calculating logarithms.
Chapter 2: Preferring floats to rationals
Chapter 3: How arbitrary precision floats do not require arbitrarily large storage: What comp.compression is afraid you'll find out!

...And more!!

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 13:13

>>9
>>10
>>11
fuck off namefag

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 13:25

>>12
Please optimise your quotes: >>9-11

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 13:45

>>13
Never forget, patriots.

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-06-30 13:51

>>11
"Searching for exponents instead of calculating logarithms."
I'm not searching for 'exponents' alone its a term in polynomial like x^y+z^h or x^y *k^v
"Preferring floats to rationals"
Rationals are a small subset of floats. Restricting me to rationals, is like porting into integer-only algos with division.
"arbitrary precision floats do not require arbitrarily large storage"
Intermediate products of computation require this kind of storage. Initial parameters do not.


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Name: FrozenVoid 2009-06-30 13:52

>>8 I prefer to write real code.



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Stop trying to rationalize everything, will ya? Let's face it, we have a mystery on our hands!

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 14:20

>>15
Rationals are a small subset of floats.
I trol'd

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 14:28

Rationals are a small subset of floats.
This is what FV actually believes[i]!![/i]

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-06-30 14:57

>>18 Rationals are basically integers(with division thrown in). Floats are real numbers.
Which set is larger?

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Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 15:13

Floats are real numbers.
HMMM!

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 15:15

I'm post #21, but I only see 15 posts in this thread. Hmm.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 15:18

>>21
Sorry to hate on you but FV is infinitely more enjoyable than another round of hax my anus. All I see now are FV posts.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 15:19

>>22
There's something wrong with you in the brain.

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-06-30 15:21

>>20
Consider for every rational x/y there infinity x.uuu/y.zzz floats.
e.g. for range 1 to 10: rationals = 10*10=100 numbers [1/1,1/2,1/3,1/4...]
                                   floats =1.000.... to 10.0000.... = Infinity numbers

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Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 15:25

>>24
Look up floating-point precision someday.

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-06-30 15:37

>>25
consider the set of integers numbers N,
the number of rationals is N*N
 The number of floats is N*(10^X) where X is infinite decimal expansion:
You can construct even 'rational floats' which results in (N*(10^X))*(N*(10^X)) numbers



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Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 15:49

>>26
floats
infinite decimal expansion
HMM!!!

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 15:50

>>26
Please stop sitting on your keyboard. You appear to be typing complete arse.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 15:51

>>28
forgot my sage

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-06-30 15:52

>>27 What do you think happens when you divide a float by float?

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Ladies and gentlemen, distinguished colleagues, after extensive biological and anatomical testing, I regret to announce that the evidence we have is inconclusive. This thing may or may not be human.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 15:58

>>30
It sinks.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 16:03

>>27
Hax my MILKRIBS === HAX MY ANUS!?

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 16:04

>>32
MILKRIBS is an anus, he's not you're anus.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 16:35

>>30
What do you think happens when you divide 1 by 3?

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-06-30 17:20

>>34
Since they're both integers, I get 0.

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Ladies and gentlemen, distinguished colleagues, after extensive biological and anatomical testing, I regret to announce that the evidence we have is inconclusive. This thing may or may not be human.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 17:36

HAX A MILKRIBS

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 17:38

>>35
When people ask you questions like that, your meant to draw parallels with the original subject and thus understand the nature of you're failure.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 17:46

>>37
FOOLISHVoid was just trying to look cool as he clearly just ``got told'' as they say.

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 19:51

>>37
>>35 you are failure
Strangely correct!

Name: Anonymous 2009-06-30 22:25

>>35
Clever dodge, but I know the point was made as even you can divide 1 by 3. It is too bad you cannot take my advice as I seem to be the only one attempting to help you in your otherwise obviously futile quest.

PS -- floats are a shitty subset of the rationals, not the other way around.

Name: FrozenVoid 2009-07-01 3:18

>>35 You get as much threes 0.333.. as you go float precision. Not more not less.



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Name: Anonymous 2009-07-01 9:42

>>41
Ah, but if you store it as a rational, you have all the precision in the world.

Some bot is doing its best to sink your threads, perhaps you have noticed. Good luck on your quixotic quest, I hope you learn something interesting.

Name: Anonymous 2009-07-01 10:01

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