linux sucks

there's no drivers.  even if there is you have to compile them
middle click and anything beyond it like extra mouse buttons is all fucked up
if you want to do anything beyond word processing, it's all text based shit, I though we evolved past that with guis and the mouse
sound is fucked up
why do you have to have a password and and file permission shit.  this isn't a server
no codecs
sucks with flash and any other embeded content(including java)
when a program crashes you have to restart xorg when you dont find it in top.
linux's server-like shit bugs me.  it's like a big hack job so you can run it all on one computer
it boots slow. vista is faster then this shit

0/10

>>1
Opera sucks sure there's an ebuild for opera but it just get dropped to /opt, it's statically linked, and it's CLOSED SOURCE, which means that it is a BINARY package.

>>1
-10/10

Linux is *not* user friendly, and until it is linux will stay with >1% marketshare.

Take installation. Linux zealots are now saying "oh installing is so easy, just do apt-get install package or emerge package": Yes, because typing in "apt-get" or "emerge" makes so much more sense to new users than double-clicking an icon that says "setup".

Linux zealots are far too forgiving when judging the difficultly of Linux configuration issues and far too harsh when judging the difficulty of Windows configuration issues. Example comments:

User: "How do I get Quake 4 to run in Linux?"
Zealot: "Oh that's easy! If you have Ubuntu, you have to download quake_4_dapper_i686_010207_glibc.bin, then do chmod +x on the file. Then you have to su to root, make sure you type export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 but ONLY if you have that latest libc6 installed. If you don't, don't set that environment variable or the installer will dump core. Before you run the installer, make sure you have the GL drivers for X installed. Get them at [some obscure web address], chmod +x the binary, then run it, but make sure you have at least 10MB free in /tmp or the installer will dump core. After the installer is done, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add a section called "GL" and put "driver nv" in it. Make sure you have the latest version of X.org and Linux kernel 2.6 or else X will segfault when you start. OK, run the Quake 4 installer and make sure you set the proper group and setuid permissions on quake4.bin. If you want sound, look here [link to another obscure web site], which is a short HOWTO on how to get sound in Quake 4. That's all there is to it!"

User: "How do I get Quake 4 to run in Windows?"
Zealot: "Oh God, I had to install Quake 4 in Windoze for some lamer friend of mine! God, what a fucking mess! I put in the CD and it took about 3 minutes to copy everything, and then I had to reboot the fucking computer! Jesus Christ! What a retarded operating system!"

So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that what seems easy and natural to Linux geeks is definitely not what regular people consider easy and natural. Hence, the preference towards Windows.

there's no drivers.  even if there is you have to compile them
True; driver situation is still fucked. You're OK if you have a popular piece of hardware but otherwise, enjoy your ./configure errors.
middle click and anything beyond it like extra mouse buttons is all fucked up
Pretty much true; X is a train wreck for this sort of shit.
if you want to do anything beyond word processing, it's all text based shit, I though we evolved past that with guis and the mouse
True, even with current distros, setting up stuff like PPPoE is a huge pain in the ass.
sound is fucked up
One word: ALSA/OSS/ESD/fag/fag/fag
why do you have to have a password and and file permission shit.  this isn't a server
Ok, this is retarded
no codecs
True, try playing mp3s
sucks with flash and any other embeded content(including java)
True, flash does suck on Linux
when a program crashes you have to restart xorg when you dont find it in top.
wat
linux's server-like shit bugs me.  it's like a big hack job so you can run it all on one computer
Maybe he's talking about X here, in which case he's right.
it boots slow. vista is faster then this shit
???

7/10

middle click and anything beyond it like extra mouse buttons is all fucked up
I have a 9-button mouse. From a fresh install, I could click the side buttons and firefox was flipping back/forward pages, and tilting the wheel did a horiz scroll in every app I tested.

I'm not sure what shitty mid-90s distro you're using, but it doesn't seem fucked up to me at all.

no codecs
mp3s
Again -- out of the box, I was able to play mp3s. Stop using shitty distros.

Take installation. Linux zealots are now saying "oh installing is so easy, just do apt-get install package or emerge package": Yes, because typing in "apt-get" or "emerge" makes so much more sense to new users than double-clicking an icon that says "setup".
YES BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE TO ACTUALLY DOWNLOAD THE SETUP BEFORE YOU CLICK THE BUTAN RIGHT DURRRR. WELL WITH THE ADVANCED PACKAGING  TOOL YOU DONT BITCH IT FETCHES YOU ALL YOU NEED ALL DEPENDENCIES AND ALL.
FOOL.

>>7
Really, Xarn? Please tell me what distro you are using, because evidently it comes with nonfree^TM codecs.

Actually, linux comes with MORE drivers than XP or vista these days. If you install a good linux distro, all the drivers you need are included with the kernel or are automatically loaded. Contrast that with doing a fresh install of vista on a recent machine-- first you have to go to all the different hardware vendors' sites to get drivers, then you hope that it all works on vista without blue screening.

Linux has all the codecs you could want-- you just can't figure out how to install them or where to find them because you're a faggot who is too proud to ask for help and covers up his insecurity with attacks.

Boot time easily improved to < 10 seconds if you know how to disable startup services. My soekris boots in about 300 milliseconds.

Linux was the first (and currently only) platform with 64-bit flash 10. Windows users can't even run a true 64-bit browser (in fact, most applications on a 64bit windows system are running in 32 bit emulation, and thus wasting hardware).

Furthermore, Unix permissions and user management are much simpler than on windows. You only need two files, /etc/group and /etc/passwd (as well as the shadow file), for user/group management, and three numbers you have to understand for permissions. Of course you can get as complicated as you like with ACL's and selinux for permissions, ldap or nis for user management, but unix gives you that flexibity to choose.

And the reason why you're mad at linux's underlying text based nature is that you really can't think for yourself. After all, a GUI is really a means of limiting what the user does. If a window has two buttons, "OK" or "cancel", it's the gui designer's way of telling you that you are too stupid for other, more advanced options. The GUI designer designs his GUI's for people stupider than himself.

>>10
0/10

Can we stop proselytizing, please? The unintelligent deserve exactly what the unintelligent get.

there's no drivers for my laptop's modem, webcam, or WNIC ;_;

>>13

Then your modem is probably a winmodem, ie it's not a real modem. worst case scenario you can run all wnics via ndis. and webcam? lrn2modprobe

>>13
You deserve it. Software wants to be free!

>>14
surprisingly helpful for /prog/.
thanks

13 Name: Anonymous : 1999-01-03 21:01
there's no drivers for my laptop's modem, webcam, or WNIC ;_;

>>17
Surely they ought to have fixed the problem in 10 years.

If you care about startup times, you are worng; real hackers don't turn off their machines.

If you care about driver, you are worng; real hackers write their own drivers.

Real hackers don't take their laptops with them to defcon if the travel time exceeds their laptop's battery capacity?

>>21
System suspend

Its clearly evident that vista is the future.One only has to watch TV for a short period of time and see the advertising.
WOW !!
I personally love the part where the young man is taking a stroll in the delightful snow covered streets, and sees firsthand a young deer with a gleefull glint in its eye. It sends a shiver down my spine. WOW is all I can say.
Vista is clearly the future of enterprise computing.


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Boot time easily improved to < 10 seconds if you know how to disable startup services. My soekris boots in about 300 milliseconds.
and then you can't do shit until you start the services later anyways.

Linux was the first (and currently only) platform with 64-bit flash 10. Windows users can't even run a true 64-bit browser (in fact, most applications on a 64bit windows system are running in 32 bit emulation, and thus wasting hardware).
That's like saying the blue shit is better then brown shit because it's blue and stinks more.

Furthermore, Unix permissions and user management are much simpler than on windows. You only need two files, /etc/group and /etc/passwd (as well as the shadow file), for user/group management, and three numbers you have to understand for permissions. Of course you can get as complicated as you like with ACL's and selinux for permissions, ldap or nis for user management, but unix gives you that flexibility to choose.
yeah.  simple.

And the reason why you're mad at linux's underlying text based nature is that you really can't think for yourself. After all, a GUI is really a means of limiting what the user does. If a window has two buttons, "OK" or "cancel", it's the gui designer's way of telling you that you are too stupid for other, more advanced options. The GUI designer designs his GUI's for people stupider than himself.
How ignorant can you be.  Thinking is different then memorizing dozens of program names and flags.  It's more intuitive to click the icon that says email then to type in an array of program names and flags.  We're not in the 80's anymore.  Have fun with lynx.

It's more intuitive

That's debatable in the first place, but what kind of moron cares about "intuitive" when they're going to do it daily?

>>26
The kind of moron that's being trained to do it. Oh.

>>10
"Good distro" is certainly the key there. I installed Mandriva Free and it was like LOL U HAS TO PAY TO HAS WIRELESS DRIVAR. Do your research, kiddies.

>>25
If there's any reason to hate Linux's GUI features, it's the fact that they're way, way too bloated for anything practical. KDE, Gnome, and Xfce all look TERRIBLE with their default themes.

There's a reason I still use Windows, and while it is partially due to the command line stuff in Linux, it's mostly because the GUI doesn't look like total ass.

inb4 Luna/Aero, I don't like those either. Windows Classic is the theme I use with a slightly darker gray than default (192,192,192, I believe).

>>27
192,192,192 being the default, I use 162,162,162.

>>5
Also I just read this post and while a fair portion of that is true, a lot is exaggerated to make your point. Compiling and complicated command parameters do scare away casuals.

>>25
With recent advances in linux and its GUI, especially GNOME and Ubuntu, you can have that same no-comprehension interface that windows has, without the same bugginess, and the ability to run more quickly on older hardware. I installed ubuntu on a chick from Philly's pc which was freezing while running Vista, and she's been absolutely fine. It's perfect for the 60-70% of the market that just emails and browses facebook, they just don't know about it. As for drivers and such, it only took me about 2 hours to get that chick's HP up and running fine.

I use twm with "LightSlateGrey"

>>29
I installed ubuntu on a chick
what.

>>31
You accidentally some of the sentence.

if you say candlejack they say that you will die but i d

>>32
saying that she's from "Philly's pc" (wherever that is) doesn't make it make any more sense.

>>32
saying that she's from "Philly's pc" (wherever that is) doesn't make it make any more sense.

>>34
3/10
Actually,
4/10

>>27
The kind of moron that's being trained to do it. Oh.
Well... that's an answer. What I really meant was to ask "why do you care about what seems 'intuitive' to you when it's going to be natural in couple of days anyway", while additionally implying that you are a dumb. Maybe if I'd provided a clickable answer you would have done better.

But let's look at it this way: if I want to run Emacs (which I assure you I do), what's more intuitive? Saying what I want, or hunting it down then poking at it?

>>37
why would you want to run emacs when you already have a real operating system, one which doesn't lack a decent editor?

why would you want to run an operating system when you already have emacs?

>>38
And which editor is that? Visual Studio isn't free, and certainly doesn't come with Windows. And please, don't say notepad. Gedit has the same functionality, as well as syntax highlighting, and geany and others exist for those who want line completion and other more advanced features, all for free. OpenOffice also comes with most distros, so don't give me that bs, either. So far, the only argument I've seen is "I'm lazy and don't want to take the time to streamline and learn Linux".