Maybe about a year, i'm not great but with the help of books and the internet i've found very little i can't do.
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Anonymous2008-01-06 16:18
When I was a beginner I read SAMS Teach Yourself C++ in 24 Hours. Although you can't really learn it in 24 hours it took me a few weeks to get a grasp on C++.
If you mean syntax then it took me just over a day or so (never used a {} language before). I reckon most people on [spoiler]/prog/[/spoiler] could pick up the syntax of a new language in a few hours.
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Anonymous2008-01-06 17:04
Nobody has ever finished learning C++
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Anonymous2008-01-06 17:11
I never did. I puke blood every time I get to the IO, which is my body's way of telling me to stop before I read about C++ templates, at which point I'd have to claw my eyes out before the infection spread.
The people who complain about C++ are usually the ones too stupid to understand it. Fact: as much as you wish it weren't so, toy language faggots, everyone uses C/C++ and Java. No exceptions. Advocates of SICP and Scheme/CL are typically college undergrads who have never taken part in the creation of a system, from gestation to deployment. Enjoy your unemployment.
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Anonymous2008-01-06 17:31
WTF is sepples? I always see it tossed around. Is it C++?
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Anonymous2008-01-06 17:34
>>14 The people who complain about Scheme/CL are usually the ones too stupid to understand it. Fact: as much as you wish it weren't so, toy language faggots, everyone uses Scheme and Common Lisp(``LISP being the most powerful and cleanest of languages, that's the language that the GNU project always prefers.'' -RMS). No exceptions. Advocates of Sepples and Java are typically college undergrads who have never taken part in the creation of a system, from gestation to deployment. Enjoy your unemployment.
It's funny how it fits perfectly.
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Anonymous2008-01-06 17:39
>>15
``Sepples'' is the more awesome name for C++.
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Anonymous2008-01-06 17:40
The people who complain about C++ are usually the ones too stupid to understand it.
I lold massively
>>16
Except for the fact that Scheme and CL ARE toy languages, so when you use the phrase toy language again it looks silly.
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Anonymous2008-01-06 20:58
>>23
Nobody is saying sepples is hard. However, compared to Scheme/CL, it is. Let's it put it this way, Scheme and CL are relatively easy languages compared to Seppels
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Anonymous2008-01-06 21:41
Learn both Scheme/CL and C++ then you won't have to bitch and complain anymore about anything.
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Anonymous2008-01-06 22:23
>>16 It's funny how it fits perfectly.
Yeah, except that in the real world, everything is done with Sepples and nothing with LISP. Enjoy your unemployment.
>>11
Of course, someone like you who is quick to pass judgement and has never actually looked into the standard I/O cannot be expected to understand it's subtle beauty. The standard I/O hierarchy (ios_base <- basic_ios <- basic_istream/ostream <- basic_iostream) is a very nice example of inheritence modelling, and the extensibility C++ provides (ie. being able to specify how I/O operates on user-defined types at the class level, providing custom i/o manipulators, etc)
>>28
You're right, Java seems to be gaining popularity today, it's quite depressing :<
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Anonymous2008-01-07 2:54
>>30 The standard I/O hierarchy is a very nice example of inheritence modelling
And a very terrible example of API modeling.
Java seems to be gaining popularity today
Better Java than Sepples. Give the retards a language that's a little harder to misuse, that's what I say.
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Anonymous2008-01-07 4:41
>>31 And a very terrible example of API modeling.
Have you seen the way Java's I/O libraries are structured?
>>30 You're right, Java seems to be gaining popularity today, it's quite depressing :<
Java has had popularity for years. It's now the most used language, ahead of COBOL (I'm serious--second most used language) and Perl.
Languages that are gaining popularity are Ruby and Haskell. I'd say Python is already there.
3 days and I could read any CeePlusPlus program (I had a lot of experience with C before learning Sepples). 2 years have passed since then and I still can't write them decently.
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Anonymous2008-01-27 12:21
>>39
Python is awesome shit. It's simple and it can do anything sepples can do
BTW, Sepples is going to have full lambdas and multi-methods. Where is that in python?
Or did you mean Python is Tourung complete? Hurray for that.
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Anonymous2008-01-27 20:35
Sepples already has partial lambda support with the boost::lambda set of classes.
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Anonymous2008-01-27 20:43
Even though I started using C++ about 10 years ago I never really learned it.
At some point I gave up on OOP and switched to write C with some features from C++ that are easier to type.
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Anonymous2009-03-06 9:50
The way Adobe as the guys behind both Postscript and PDF deserve a Nobel prize for faggotry and fucking slow and you can win points to spend on gift cards or plain old cash Its easy to work with and sincerely wish that you develop understanding of that fact.
>>57
The post you're replying to is over two years old.
It's a popular myth that COBOL is or was the most popular language used for decades after most programmers had even heard of it. I don't know where it came from, but people like to repeat unlikely stories because it makes them feel clever. Even if it had been true before Y2K, which is extremely unlikely, there's no way it would still have been the case afterwards.
I don't know where he got his Java claim, though, other than his ass.
I do know where you got your C claim: the TIOBE index, which is utter bullshit. You don't even have to look at their methodology to realise this, though doing so will confirm it. It's an incredibly poor reflection of the actual popularity of languages, no matter how you'd like to define ``popularity''.
The only real answer is that there isn't enough data to say which language is the most popular.