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Hard Java!

Name: Noob 2007-11-02 6:03

HELP! MY TEACHER IS TEACHING ME JAVA AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING!

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 6:06

Read SICP

Name: Noob (Not Trolling) 2007-11-02 6:08

I'm being taught about Java at class but I don't get almost everything. it's been 2 weeks but I'm still at the start of the course. OMG! What is SICP?

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 6:17

>>3
What don't you get? Specifics or GTFO.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 6:21

In b4 time to switch to a course in business.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 6:45

lol @ schools teaching java instead of c++

that's enterprising for you

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 7:03

Learn Haskell, then Java will look easy.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 7:12

Java is a shitty language to teach. Too much syntactic "sugar" (if you could call it such) you have to just "wave off" until later.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 12:23

>>8
Syntactic aspartame.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 12:50

>>8
Too much syntactic "sugar"
Dumbest reason for hating Java ever.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 13:20

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Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 13:32

>>10
It'd be a rather lame reason to hate Java as a usable language (there are plenty of other reasons for that), but it's a very valid one for hating it as a teaching language. Java abstracts away too many key concepts in programming.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 13:49

>>12
liek what?

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 14:18

>>13

Inline ASM

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 14:22

>>13
if java was a car it'd be the nice new car that looks great, feels great, and runs nicely; when the car breaks though guess what you can't work on anything because it is so hidden under computer controlled crap, and nice beautiful covers that you have to take it into the shop where they plug a computer into it and it tells them what to do.  enter the other languages, they are more like the older cars that when it breaks down, you have to know about how the engine works, and probably theory, but there is no crap hiding the engine, and you can work on the engine without the shop and their computer. 

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 14:24

>>15
Lolz. And here I thought you were the SICP kind of person who advocates teaching LISP to noobs.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 14:26

>>12
Java abstracts away too many key concepts in programming.
It doesn't. The problem with using Java as a teaching language is that it forces beginning programmers to focus on totally irrelevant bullshit (public class Foo { public static void main() { } } just to get a fucking executable program, a medieval type system that serves no purpose other than getting in the way, ``In Java everything is an object... Well, except built-in types.'', forced object-orientation of code (a great way to limit students' problem solving skills to ENTERPRISE-grade solutions), and many other reasons).

The ideal first teaching language should have minimal, clear syntax, be abstract enough not to bog students down with low-level implementation details (it's necessary to learn about them eventually, but a beginning programming course is not the right place) and place no arbitrary dumbfuckerious limits on what kind of programmatic constructs you can create with it.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 14:26

OKAY GUYS.
WE NEED A WORTHY RESPONSE TO >>15.
HE SAID ``CAR''

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 15:14

If Java was a car, my other one would be a cdrFactory.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 18:03

public class Cons {
    private Object _car, _cdr;
    public Object car() { return _car; }
    public Object cdr() { return _cdr; }
}

java just got EXTREME

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 18:31

>>17
The ideal first teaching language should have minimal, clear syntax, be abstract enough not to bog students down with low-level implementation details (it's necessary to learn about them eventually, but a beginning programming course is not the right place) and place no arbitrary dumbfuckerious limits on what kind of programmatic constructs you can create with it.

Like scheme python scheme.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 18:53

>>21
Your attempt at being clever just failed.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 18:56

>>20
Why is everybody so obsessed with LISPs extremely shitty lists?

The names car and cdr alone are a crime against humanity.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 18:57

>>22
YHBT YHL HAND
OABR OAO A IA
UVEO UVS V CY
 EEL  ET E E
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Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 18:58

>>23
The names car and cdr alone are a crime against humanity.
If you don't like them, call them head and tail or mouth and ass or something.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 18:59

Y H B T  Y H L  H A N D
O A B R  O A O  A   I A
U V E O  U V S  V   C Y
  E E L    E T  E   E
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Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 19:01

>>24
That was a pretty lousy troll. I didn't even write an elaborate blawg post as a counter argument. Learn to troll.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 19:10

>>27
Newfags seem to think just posting YHBT constitutes a good troll nowadays. Amateurs, one and all.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-02 19:31

>>27-28

OK I FUQIN ANGERED A JAVA PROGRAMMER

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-03 0:41

>>29
Java programmers cannot be angered, they just become more ENTERPRISE.

>>15
if lisp was a car it'd be the old car that looks average, feels simple, and has a manual transmission; when that car breaks you can just use your other one, which is a cdr.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-03 1:29

>>30
if lisp was a car it would be a small plastic toy

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-03 1:33

>>31
If Lisp was a car it would be a flying car that could also go into space and under water. It would include all the facilites necessary for designing and producing more cars. It would be possible to retool it to make cdrs as well.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-03 1:46

>>31
If Lisp was a car you wouldn't be able to figure out how to open the door, faggot.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-03 5:44

>>33
If Lisp was a car, I'm swapping it in for Perl.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-03 7:04

new is a lethal disease.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-03 8:24

>>33
If Lisp was a car you wouldn't be able to figure out how to open the door, faggot.
That's because it's the cheap kind of plastic toy where the doors don't even open.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-03 12:23

If Lisp was a car, it wouldn't start if you forget to close any of the doors.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-03 13:54

>>37
lol, i see what you did there

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-03 14:06

>>37

I guess that means there's no such thing as ghost-riding the lisp.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-05 14:32

Dont read SICP that shit is awful, I couldnt get past the first page.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-05 16:29

If Lisp was a car, it would be a cudder.

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-07 7:56

>>41
That'd be my other Lisp

Name: Anonymous 2007-11-08 17:29

>>42
My other Lisp lets me drive 3 times more than my C.
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