They are inferior beings that are bound to imperative programming and retarded languages. They'll never understand simple concepts such as OOP, and I don't even talk about Lisp and SATORI.
Also, it's "developers", you suck at posting flamebait.
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Anonymous2007-07-25 16:59 ID:QBC8y/Ta
PHP can be much better if done properly. I make bread that way, because I'd rather do PHP than Java. Yes, I have to deal with "designer" code, which is utter bullshit, and that would have been a problem for me 10 years ago, but now I can read even the bullshit "designers" write, and picture what they were thinking in their little minds. Most of my work consists of writing new code, and I do it in a proper fashion. I've even pulled out a reasonable amount of functional-ish code relying on create_function (wrapped around more comfortable interfaces) and variable functions, although I curse the language every time I would need closures.
Ruby here (yes, that whole zOMG RoR thing). I get paid well, and I don't need to touch a shitty language. Ruby isn't all that hot, but it's a big step up from most (semi-)popular languages.
My last job was Zope3. Fuck I hated it with a passion. However, both Ruby and Python are OO, and both Zope3 and RoR are MVC.
Unless someone gives me a job writing Erlang or MPI code, I'm staying right here. Most jobs in the industry use Java or C++ so I'm counting my blessings.
javascript is actually a pretty nice language. except for the shitty syntax and the fact that most people who use it just write shitty imperative code.
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Anonymous2007-07-26 4:45 ID:9h7rp4jx
>>15
The main problem with ECMAScript is that you aren't dealing with just one implementation. SpiderMonkey, Rhino, Internet Explorer, Opera, KHTML, JavaScriptCore and each one of these fuckers has it's own bugs and "features", this is the reason I hate web development.
>>16
the language itself is pretty much the same everywhere. it's pretty much just differences in the DOM and lack of features in IE that cause problems.
>>16
the language itself is pretty much the same everywhere. it's pretty much just differences in the DOM and lack of features in IE that cause problems.
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Anonymous2007-07-26 11:30 ID:zwdZrBJE
>>17,18
I write backend stuff, but from what I hear from the UI guy who writes Javascript all and every day (and whom I respect deeply, the man's a genius), the language definitely isn't the same across implementations.
Even if you ignore the DOM, it's exactly like >>15 says: each one of these fuckers has it's own bugs and "features".
>>16
the language itself is pretty much the same everywhere. it's pretty much just differences in the DOM and lack of features in IE that cause problems.
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Anonymous2007-07-27 17:10 ID:FfWexgcL
Flash / Flex developer, OOP in web development languages is underated. Plus, I get paid more then the java backend people just because there are so few people that can do apps in the browser.
my only regret is that markup isn't oop. all would rather: Html.bold("this shiz")
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Anonymous2007-07-27 19:51 ID:Z9mJhVtl
>>20
What's the point? I always have been able to modify documents on the server side, achieving the same results with a little bit different and more troublesome method doesn't really give me an erection. JavaScript is synonymous to DHTML (Web 2.0 if you wish).
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Anonymous2007-07-27 20:32 ID:UBmVaE92
>>24
Either troll, or "web designer" trying to be serious and failing miserably.
>>25 JavaScript is synonymous to DHTML (Web 2.0 if you wish).
Die.
>>31
What has DHTML ever done to you? It's a perfectly valid term to describe what you're doing with a website. It's Web 2.0 and AJAX that are completely meaningless and pure hype.
The next one was right under the current version of enterprise version of the language Object Pascal which added among other things hundreds or even writing your own debugger T Be a horrid coder.
>>38
It predates business on the internet. And the blogosphere. There are books talking about "Navigator 4 DHTML". It's just the opposite of static HTML, brah. You.get(ACTION_WORKED_UP, ACTIONSTYLE_LESS).