Software Engineering focuses on the process of designing software -- high level stuff. Finishing the course, you should be able to take an idea and design a whole software solution for it, regardless of the programming language involved.
Computer Science in very general, too general to be of much use without specialization. You'll learn some programming, some software design, hardware, networking, everything. Very useful stuff, but you'll need to supplement it with plenty of experience to get much out of it.
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Anonymous2006-11-28 4:30
Software Engineering is www.opera.com
Computer Science is Opera sucks sure there's an ebuild for opera but it just get dropped to /opt, it's statically linked, and it's
CLOSED SOURCE, which means that it is a BINARY PACKAGE
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Anonymous2006-11-28 5:06
Software engineering is engineering, computer science is science. All clear? Good.
Don't choose either. QUIT NOW. Your degree is worthless.
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Anonymous2006-11-28 19:07
Your logic is retarded. Computer Science is better.
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Anonymous2006-11-28 22:41
THANKS GUYZ
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Anonymous2006-11-28 22:43
A computer science degree is like a ticket to fame, riches, sex, respect, and power, plus, you will be the fucking man (or possible woman).
A software engineering degree means you will post on slashdot and die of a heart attack.
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Anonymous2006-11-29 4:42
>>14 A computer science degree is like a ticket to fame, riches, sex, respect, and power, plus, you will be the fucking man (or possible woman).
Agree on the rest, but somewhow I doubt sex.
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Anonymous2006-11-29 7:51
A computer science degree means you will post on slashdot and die of a heart attack. A software engineering degree means you will post on slashdot and die of a heart attack.
Fixed.
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Anonymous2006-11-29 9:49
Computer science is the theory and maths behind it.
Software engineering is taking that theory and putting it to good use building programmes.
However, now days, they two are mixed and muddled up, and are most likely used interchangeably by a lot of places.
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Anonymous2006-11-29 19:23
Computer Science: 1/0
Software Engineering: hello im fairX the haxxor join my community of hackers if you payme enough i will give you access to a private area of haxx ;)
>>22 computer science fails for providing the wrong kind of maths.
I agree with this.
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Anonymous2006-11-30 20:36
At my (UK) University, the two are pretty much identical except SE has a compulsory large businessey (project planning etc.) module, and it gives you the option of doing a 4th year of more SE style modules. You also get an BEng degree rather than CS' BSci.
If your Uni is the same, take CS and pick alternative modules that interest you, then learn the business stuff on a work placement.
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Anonymous2006-12-01 4:32
Business stuff is about reading buzzwords from a magazine or (modern) whitepapers (pretty much like toilet paper), repeating them to your business pals and circle-jerk speeches, and taking every step towards fucking your own business by grossly misunderstanding what your own company does and killing all that gives it any value, until you fold because the dot-com model has failed.
computer scientists learn how to be incompetant
software engineers learn how to tell people how to be incompetant without having any understanding
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Anonymous2006-12-03 12:34
>>38
I'm sorry but most "scientists" I've met knew nothing about optimization and language features.
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Anonymous2006-12-03 13:05
>>41
They also get the job done.. and when they need speed they turn to faster more effecient algorithms instead of worrying about pre- and post-increment and if that makes a temporary or not.
Way to show that you suck shit from a straw.
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Anonymous2006-12-03 13:08
Don't so Software Engineering if it is an engineering degree. You get an iron ring but you get a poor education. If you truly care about learning and being well rounded and smart with computers and programming I recommend CS. Anything in SENG you can pick up in CS because to get an accreditted CS program you don't need the worthless Engineering courses that waste engineers time.
That said, an Iron ring sometimes allows you to earn more because you are officially an engineer (not PENG)
are you kidding? they write layers upon layers of theoretical crap and charts, without touching a keyboard. when I left Uni, I discovered efficiency
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Anonymous2006-12-03 17:34
>>44
Then you've never met a scientist.
Also you display ignorance of anything technical beyond what you can immediately run. Have fun programming "indy" games loser.
>>44
Most universities suck, but ultimately, Computer Science leaves you in a better shape than Software Engineering. In Software Engineering, you don't touch a keyboard either - nor you learn much theory. You just waste time with management crap. You end up believing you're doing any real work by talking about software life cycles.
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Anonymous2006-12-04 5:58
>>46
hmmm a choice between crap or crap...physics sounds pretty good right now
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Anonymous2006-12-04 13:02
>>47
fucking signed. i am interested in computers and programming languages but i would rather learn i guess cool shit like physics rather than this. PS. i am a physics major.
>>45
show me a real scientist, noob. all the real scientists I know are NOT working in universities, learn real life instead of living in your school dream world.
They are about the same, but engineers get paid more so
Software Engineering > Computer Science
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Anonymous2006-12-05 3:51
>>43 Anything in SENG you can pick up in CS because to get an accreditted CS program you don't need the worthless Engineering courses that waste engineers time.
Signed. Software Eng here; all my free units are IT related, and I'm getting Distinctions/High Distinctions, and in the engo crap I'm floundering. Who's idea was it to associate _electrical_ engineering with software?
Then again, I was programming well before I got into university, so w/e.
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Anonymous2006-12-05 4:58
>>55-56
No, >>52 and >>53 were right. Attention to detail is a very important skill for Computer Science or (successful) Software Engineering. If you can't be strict enough to use punctuation properly in a post, you won't be able to come up with any half-decent design. For example, if you design a syntax for a programming language, you'll end up with Perl.
>>57
Who said that? That's an oversimplification. Keep thinking that and you'll see.
>>60
But the language is so carelessly designed, has such braindead syntactic features and plays so dangerously near ambiguity, it's my favourite example of poor, careless, easy-going (or rather, everything-goes) design.
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Anonymous2006-12-05 11:35
good for loop example?
in java
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Anonymous2006-12-05 12:12
Larry Wall has perfect grammar. He's just a Christian.
Fixed. Admittedly Christianity is a subset of insanity, but I like to be specific.
I feel pretty lame for laughing at "if you're really a reductionist, you'll say it's a just bunch of photons, but we won't go there, because it wouldn't shed any light on the subject."
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Anonymous2006-12-06 0:17
>>59
no if i can't be strict enough to puctuate or capitalize its because i dont feel like it
not because i cant
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Anonymous2006-12-06 2:01
>>67 The fact is, your brain is built to do Perl programming.
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Anonymous2006-12-06 2:37
computer science is not engineering
nor is software engineering
real engineers are far cooler
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Anonymous2006-12-06 7:04
>>70
Programming is a philosophy. A way of life. You can never be strict enough. In order to succeed, you need to live as if you were programming 24/7. If you have a normal life, with society stuff and nonstrictness, you will fail. You have to think like an automata. A Turing automata. And then - success. It's wonderful. But be careful: programming will change your life, so think twice before becoming a programmer.
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26 here, yes I do go to Bham. In fact I'm writing this in the CS Common Room. >>91
Haven't seen them myself, but there was an article about them in Redbrick two weeks ago, along with stuff about the underground heat/power generators.
I would recommend checking them out, 'tis quite an exciting exploration. There are plenty of vents and doors that lead to them. Also if you can get access to the clock tower, that's pretty amazing.
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Anonymous2006-12-11 11:10
Are we allowed to go down there? Sounds fairly dangerous/illegal to me.
Oh, no it's quite off limits. However we did get caught once and security took our names, nothing happened after that though.
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Anonymous2006-12-11 15:56
A lot of colleges seem to have tunnel systems. People aren't supposed to go in the ones here because some of the tubes carry steam that is hot enough to kill.
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Anonymous2006-12-12 13:35
Poster 29 here, i'm at Bham too, but i'm doing a REAL science; Chemistry.
Lots of hot girls in biology in my school. Chemical engineering is way cool though because you can make new stuff and stuff, I only say this because my Chemistry teacher is a Chemical engineer and he is a good teacher.
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Anonymous2006-12-13 10:37
Doing straight chemistry keeps your options open.
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Anonymous2006-12-14 12:44
Don't do fag chemistry though.
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Anonymous2006-12-14 20:58
its got a proper name - bio chemistry
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emote2006-12-15 6:12
Do both if you can. CS is everything about how computers and software works. It is the hardcore hands on stuff (and the most fun). SE is about the development process - defining requirements, writing specifications, testing, etc.
Although CS is more fun and I find more exciting, SE gets you the furthest up the food chain because it leads to the design and leadership roles.
Unfortunately, being a programmer is bit of a dead-end position in the commerical world. Many companies treat you like trained monkeys that can be shipped in and out. Look at the way programming roles are outsourced to India. Architects and team leaders are at least a little more valuable. Project managers are better still. And if you can sell something, even though it seems like an immoral and unworthy skill, salesmen seem to rule the world.
A company of DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
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Anonymous2006-12-16 1:15
Unfortunately, being a programmer is bit of a dead-end position in the commerical world. Many companies treat you like trained monkeys that can be shipped in and out.
That's because most programmers only want to act like trained monkeys, which is unfortunate for the rest. I encourage my programmers to something that lets them progress up the food chain; except they always come up with some whiny excuse to avoid being responsible for anything and insist on staying in their trained monkey role. And then they complain they're paid peanuts.
The other problem is a lot "programmers" produce horrible code but wave their fancy pieces of paper around.
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Anonymous2006-12-16 8:37
Many companies treat you like trained monkeys
The solution? Don't work for them and find another job!
>>121
If by "progress up the food chain" you mean directing projects, can be done. If you mean "becoming a buzzword-using, Java-loving businessman of enterprise busines solutions", forget it.
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Anonymous2006-12-19 11:45
If by "progress up the food chain" you mean directing projects, can be done. If you mean "becoming a buzzword-using, Java-loving businessman of enterprise busines solutions", forget it.
Fuck no, if they want to become a buzzword-using Java-loving businessman of enterprise scalable web 2.0 business xml solutions gtfo of my food chain.
In the UK computer science is typically a vague and nebulous subject, favouring theory over practical application. This is as opposed to software engineering which is programming, you will learn how to make programs, end of subject. Which do you think an employer will find more appealing?
When I was looking for a job employers were looking for what I could offer in /addition/ to my programming ability. And they weren't looking for things that computer science gives you, they were interested in practical application of knowledge, i.e. engineering.
Bringing /prog/ back to its people
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