>>38
I'm sorry but most "scientists" I've met knew nothing about optimization and language features.
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Anonymous2006-12-03 13:05
>>41
They also get the job done.. and when they need speed they turn to faster more effecient algorithms instead of worrying about pre- and post-increment and if that makes a temporary or not.
Way to show that you suck shit from a straw.
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Anonymous2006-12-03 13:08
Don't so Software Engineering if it is an engineering degree. You get an iron ring but you get a poor education. If you truly care about learning and being well rounded and smart with computers and programming I recommend CS. Anything in SENG you can pick up in CS because to get an accreditted CS program you don't need the worthless Engineering courses that waste engineers time.
That said, an Iron ring sometimes allows you to earn more because you are officially an engineer (not PENG)
are you kidding? they write layers upon layers of theoretical crap and charts, without touching a keyboard. when I left Uni, I discovered efficiency
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Anonymous2006-12-03 17:34
>>44
Then you've never met a scientist.
Also you display ignorance of anything technical beyond what you can immediately run. Have fun programming "indy" games loser.
>>44
Most universities suck, but ultimately, Computer Science leaves you in a better shape than Software Engineering. In Software Engineering, you don't touch a keyboard either - nor you learn much theory. You just waste time with management crap. You end up believing you're doing any real work by talking about software life cycles.
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Anonymous2006-12-04 5:58
>>46
hmmm a choice between crap or crap...physics sounds pretty good right now
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Anonymous2006-12-04 13:02
>>47
fucking signed. i am interested in computers and programming languages but i would rather learn i guess cool shit like physics rather than this. PS. i am a physics major.
>>45
show me a real scientist, noob. all the real scientists I know are NOT working in universities, learn real life instead of living in your school dream world.
They are about the same, but engineers get paid more so
Software Engineering > Computer Science
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Anonymous2006-12-05 3:51
>>43 Anything in SENG you can pick up in CS because to get an accreditted CS program you don't need the worthless Engineering courses that waste engineers time.
Signed. Software Eng here; all my free units are IT related, and I'm getting Distinctions/High Distinctions, and in the engo crap I'm floundering. Who's idea was it to associate _electrical_ engineering with software?
Then again, I was programming well before I got into university, so w/e.
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Anonymous2006-12-05 4:58
>>55-56
No, >>52 and >>53 were right. Attention to detail is a very important skill for Computer Science or (successful) Software Engineering. If you can't be strict enough to use punctuation properly in a post, you won't be able to come up with any half-decent design. For example, if you design a syntax for a programming language, you'll end up with Perl.
>>57
Who said that? That's an oversimplification. Keep thinking that and you'll see.
>>60
But the language is so carelessly designed, has such braindead syntactic features and plays so dangerously near ambiguity, it's my favourite example of poor, careless, easy-going (or rather, everything-goes) design.
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Anonymous2006-12-05 11:35
good for loop example?
in java
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Anonymous2006-12-05 12:12
Larry Wall has perfect grammar. He's just a Christian.
Fixed. Admittedly Christianity is a subset of insanity, but I like to be specific.
I feel pretty lame for laughing at "if you're really a reductionist, you'll say it's a just bunch of photons, but we won't go there, because it wouldn't shed any light on the subject."
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Anonymous2006-12-06 0:17
>>59
no if i can't be strict enough to puctuate or capitalize its because i dont feel like it
not because i cant
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Anonymous2006-12-06 2:01
>>67 The fact is, your brain is built to do Perl programming.
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Anonymous2006-12-06 2:37
computer science is not engineering
nor is software engineering
real engineers are far cooler
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Anonymous2006-12-06 7:04
>>70
Programming is a philosophy. A way of life. You can never be strict enough. In order to succeed, you need to live as if you were programming 24/7. If you have a normal life, with society stuff and nonstrictness, you will fail. You have to think like an automata. A Turing automata. And then - success. It's wonderful. But be careful: programming will change your life, so think twice before becoming a programmer.