Why all the hysteria over Ayn Rand?

Altruism means "serve everyone but yourself" when the logical thing to do from the utilitarian perspective is to serve everyone including yourself.


The basic principle of altruism is that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that service to others is the only justification of his existence, and that self-sacrifice is his highest moral duty, virtue and value.
Do not confuse altruism with kindness, good will or respect for the rights of others.


Ayn Rand meant selfishness in the sense of standing up for yourself. There are many real life examples of where the traditional roles of selfishness and altruism are overturned, where selfishness is good and altruism is evil. For instance if you're being bullied the altruistic thing to do would be to sacrifice your own personal gain for others, by sitting there and taking it like a little bitch. The selfish thing to do would be to gain pleasure at the expense of others, escape, tell your bros then jump them the next day, spraying them up with mace and beating them with phone books.

I don't agree with Ayn Rand on everything, I believe the "common good" as a concept has been abused, not that it is invalid. The common good should ideally be democratic concerning groups and include individual rights when the group is at odds with the individual.

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/altruism.html
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/common_good.html

However I have never heard anyone criticize Ayn Rand on these legitimate points and issues, only ever "hurr durr selfish randroids derp".

>>40
That's right, you got shalom'd, probably a member of the jewish internet defence force who has come to show you his appreciation for being a good shabbos goy in the service of Israel.

What are you going to do?

>>38
From the beginning. Now fuck off, jew.

>>42
So again, you admit that you reject all reason and logic. Not that this wasn't clear from the beginning.

>>43
So again, you try and fail to put words in my mouth with your jewish spinstreldoctoring. Not that this wasn't clear from the ALwAYS.

>>44
I'm merely accurately summarizing your position. Promoting reason and logic apparently is enough evidence for you to conclude that I must be Jewish, therefore you must consider reason and logic itself Jewish constructs and reject it.

This is all the result of collectivism.

>>45
I'm merely accurately summarizing your position.
For the readers at home: Even he knows that it isn't what he's doing at all, but the jew is very good at putting on a face for lying. I bet you all were convinced he really believes what he's saying here. See how easily the jew can fool you?

>>47
Yes, you wouldn't want the Jew to trap by making you use reason or logic. You'll never fall for that trick!

>>47
It's self-evident that your position from the past year of postings on this board essentially boil down to if one uses reason and logic and simply if they disagree with you that means that they're a Jew. I hope you at least enjoy this nice little bubble that you've constructed for yourself.

Sorry, but your talmudic spin on "reason and logic" do not apply to both reality and the position you're arguing it from, as it is completely and utterly hypocritical. Would you hooknosed retards like to try something different for once, or continue parroting nothing?

>>50
But I'm not promoting any kind of spin at all. I'll say it now, I don't believe in a special kind of logic, only that you should use reason and logic only to determine objective reality.

>Would you hooknosed retards like to try something different for once, or continue parroting nothing?
The irony, it burns.

>>51
I don't believe in a special kind of logic
except when it concerns jews and mainting their grip on power.

Yes, your irony does burn, a hot fire under my ass that maintains my vigilance, knowing that everyday millions of people are fooled with this wool you pull over their eyes.

>>52
So posting on /newpol/ is going to "awaken" the masses and we're here to keep you down simply by disagreeing with you? I think you heavily overestimate the influence of these boards.

>>52
>except when it concerns jews and mainting their grip on power.
Even though, once again, I point out that all I suggested was to judge people on their actions as individual and use reason and logic to determine reality? Can't see how anything in that statement pertains to Jews at all.

I invite you again to point out which, exactly, specifically, is the Jewish bit of my original statement. Maybe you'd like like to try something different for once, or continue parroting nothing?

>>53
If there's nothing to worry about, chaim, if nothing I say is going to affect anything, then why are you and shlomo wasting so much time reading it and firing everything you've got at it, day in an day out? The great thing I have to my advantage is how much you underestimate your audience and how much they really know, and how much you actually know.

>>54
Because all you're doing is spouting a direct quote from the vile racist jew cunt rosenberg herself. It seems you're the only one who is unaware that anyone with half a brain sees it the moment you posted it in the first place. I recommend you take a page out of your own playbook and switch tactics.

>>55
I could ask of you the same thing about you posting antisemitic crap day in and day out. What is the place except being a large waste of time regardless? I like to waste time arguing on these boards. Me and others arguing against you ≠ silencing you.

>>14
Altruism is giving a fish to a hungry man everyday and then one to everyone else who turns up looking for free food. Altruism is starving to death because you gave everything away while having to listen to how it's your "duty" to serve those you feed if you try to eat something you caught yourself.

You're conflating short-sightedness with altruism, that doesn't have to be the case.
Sure the person is being altruistic there, but they are also being stupid in how they carry it out.
A smart altruist would give their knowledge of fishing away rather than fish to everyone everyday.
Altruism doesn't have to be giving away that which is easiest and immediate, in fact the opposite is often the `most altruistic' (in that giving knowledge and skills is a lot more difficult than material things).

>>55
>why are you and shlomo wasting so much time reading it and firing everything you've got at it, day in an day out?
Because we're actually interested in talking about politics and without fail, day in and day out, you get in the way and derail the thread with insufferably irrational posts.

Here's an analogy of the situation here: the thread is a train on at track and you are a car parked on the fucking tracks. The train doesn't lay down new tracks so that it hits you, you make yourself an obstacle and then wonder why you got hit by a train.

>Because all you're doing is spouting a direct quote from the vile racist jew cunt rosenberg herself
Even if that was true, and I invite you to post the source of this "direct quote", what relevance does that have to the actual content of the quote? If a Jew thought being alive was a good idea would you shoot yourself in the face?

>>57
Since he went through so much trouble figuring out how to fish and was intelligent enough to succeed, should he not receive the full market value of his intellectual labor and use that to gain respect from his fellow villagers allowing him to rally them together to conduct more beneficial economic activities? If the society is particularly backwards and primitive, wouldn't this mean keeping it a secret for a while and trading fish for favors?

People can be more equal, we can get it to the point where no one has to live in poverty and everyone is secure and prosperous, however this cannot be accomplished without first acknowledging that there are exceptional people out there and that in this case it is not justified to drag them down to the lowest common denominator in the name of equality like crabs in a bucket.

>>56
You're right, it isn't silencing me, it's a very big attempt at it though.
>>58
Your anology doesn't apply, the train does lay down new tracks, and it isn't even a train, I'm the train, you racist subversion propaganda spreading nazionist niggers are the car parking in my way.

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>>60
This is not the line of conversation I had in mind.

>>61
Can't even keep your shill ducks in a row eh isaac? Tough times to be a jew. Oy vey it's a real HOLLOWCOST over here, the CHUTZPAH of dese goyim.

>>62
The genius of Ayn Rand is far more important than your silly conspiracy theory.

>>63
The Jewish genius is always far more important than anything else.

>>64
not all jews are geniuses so that's stupid

>>65
That's why it's called satire, retard.

>>62
Oh for fuck sake, I was hoping the text board would be less infested with you delusional whackjobs.

>>67
SHALOM!

>>66
When the US developed nuclear weapons the soviet union did not say "well, those evil capitalists came up with this idea so I'm not going to adopt it", they knew they were behind the curve and this was the quickest way of catching up.

You can only stand to benefit by taking Ayn Rand's teachings to heart. Anyway she wasn't a jew, her parents were non-observant jews and she was totally apathetic, not that it matters.

>>69
she wasn't a jew  she was totally apathetic
explain >>16

>>70
What's to explain? That's what she thought. You should also note that she was firmly against religion as an irrational construct for the weak and stupid, Judaism included.

>>70
She is of jewish descent and here she is supporting Israel, I'm not a sucker so I can see how that is suspicious.

She clearly states that she opposes US military intervention in favor of Israel, she wasn't even prompted to comment on that, she stated it on her own initiative. She only supports Israel because from her perspective it is the lesser of 2 evils in the region, according to her ideals Israel is merely a dysfunctional and corrupt democracy while the surrounding regimes are outright tyrannies.

>>71
But Israel is a fundamentalist religious state + some racism (i.e. you must be born from a Jewish mother to qualify for citizenship).

>>72
lesser of 2 evils in the region
Good persons don't support evil.

"A pox on both your houses."

>>73
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

Arabs were citizens at the time, Israel was violating Palestinian property rights and their Arab-Israeli brothers were impotent to prevent it being a minority in a democracy, Ayn Rand would have understood these problems well. She was discussing this in the context of the arab-israeli war however not Palestinian settlements.

I will concede that the "Ayn Rand institue" has been hijacked by zionists.

>>74
A pox on both your houses.
Except you don't have as much power over Israel and Palestine as the Prince of Verona had over the Capulets and Montagues.

In the real world the good people are those that make tough decisions and get shit done.

>>60
it's a very big attempt at it though.
An "attempt" would be me trying to get on IRC and telling one of the mods to ban you and/or delete your posts. That's not going to happen because 1) I support freedom of speech and 2) the mods stopped giving a fuck about this place for quite a while now. Stop saying that people disagreeing with you = attempts at silencing you, it makes you sound like a self-righteous Fox News-tard.

I love Ayn Rand.

I want to help people out of poverty but how can I when I can barely look after myself with all the restrictions and controls placed on me? I just want a few million dollars then I will live a modest middle class lifestyle and use the rest of the money to be a nice guy helping people out and stuff. What's wrong with that?

Just stay out of my way.

>>77
No thanks, I'll continue to say it because it's true.

>>79
Well, you're entitled to be delusional. I won't stop you there.