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Name: Anonymous 2012-07-07 16:09

* Slavery was extremely common in Africa.

* Most slaves coming into America were sold by Africans.

* Free slaves owned slaves too.

So... slavery has nothing to do with the white man keeping the black man down. ANOTHER myth busted! I fucking hate the educational system around here.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-07 21:01

Yes, I can see how there being slavery in other parts of the world made white men owning black slaves in America totally okay.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-07 21:26

I fucking hate the educational system around here.
Where's here?  because, you know, I learned about your 1, 2, and 3 points in school.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-08 1:39

>>2
Yet, only Americans take the heat for slavery dispute slavery being widespread in one form or another throughout history.

Double standards for the win.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-08 7:34

>>4
How exactly is it double standards to criticize the most modern occurrence of slavery? You understand how criticizing the Mesopotamians for their slavery today is a little, hmm, late, right?

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-08 16:14

>>5
If criticizing instances of slavery in the past can't be applied to Mesopotamian civilizations because it happened in the past, then the same can be said of criticizing the United States for its instances of slavery in the past.  If your argument is "those Mesopotamian civilizations don't exist anymore" then your priority is not enlightenment or progress before all else, it is the generation of shame and a feelings of superiority.

And, moreover, Mesopotamia is not a nation; it is a region of the world, where people still live, and many of those who live their still have blood-relation to those who lived there many years ago.  If that is the criteria by which we can criticize people living in the United States today, even those who had nothing to do with the past slave-trade practices or the discomfort of the civil rights era, then we can still criticize the "Mesopotomians."

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-08 17:46

>>6
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not saying you can't criticize past civilizations for slavery, only it's beating a dead horse. There are no Mesopotamian era citizens around any more to feel any shame, whereas there are people alive today who were still around when Africa Americans were slaves and people who still think blacks should be slaves.

You've also yet to explain your double standards issue.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-08 19:11

>>7
Sorry I was actually >>3 and not >>4 or whichever reply above had the original double standard referenced.  I thought >>3 was referencing the fact that whenever people talk about slavery in the Western world, they always talk about the United States as if that was the only instance of slavery there ever was; and, Europe gets a pass.  I've met some of these people, including one person who said the United States invented the horrid practice in the first place.

Then you brought up Mesopotamia and I had to bite.  Also:
there are people alive today who were still around when Africa Americans were slaves
This piques my amusement.  Where are all these pre-Civil War supercentenarians hiding out?

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-08 19:43

>>5
And the same should be true if America isn't practicing slavery either, perhaps? Oh wait, slavery is illegal here and has been for some time now.

Yet, certain fags want to throw that false guilt out there as if it were real issue while ignoring the fact slavery is alive and well in the world.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-08 19:47

>You've also yet to explain your double standards issue.
There are no slaves or slave owners in America. Why would anyone feel shame for something they didn't do themselves?

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-12 12:08

>>1
I have a surprise for you: since ancient times, behind the slave trade stands the Jew. The Jews maintain slave trade dynamics, making continuous gesheft from it.

In Europe, the slave trade was almost exclusively Jewish business. Slaves came mainly from the East Slavic lands. Bishop Agobard of Lyons (IX century. AD) mentions in his book "De insolentia Iudaeorum" a number of cases, where the Jews stole Christian children, or even purchased children of poor Christians for future re-sale to the Spanish Muslims.

With the slave trade is connected, apparently, the resettlement of Jews in the city of Magdeburg [Caro, Wirtschaftsgeschichte, I, p.191]. During the transportation of slaves the slave-trade was taxed by the Germans: for example, the customs codex of the city of Koblenz required on each head of a slave 4 dinars, while the bishop of the city of Hur in Switzerland levied 2 dinars per slave at the outpost in Vallenshtadte. The X century Prague was the center of the slave trade. In 989 Saint Adalbert resigned from bishopship of Prague, because he was unable to redeem all Christians, held by a Jewish slavetrader, [Caro, Wirtschaftsgeschichte, I, p.191].

Jewish merchants brought the Slavic slaves to Muslim countries. Women and girls were meant concubines for harems, while young men, after castration, served as eunuchs. According to the laws of Islam, the Muslims are prohibited doing castration, so this procedure was done by the Jewish doctors. The medieval Arab historian al-Muqaddasi writes that the main supplier of white eunuchs in Muslim harems were "Slavs, the country which lies behind the Khorezm, they are being castrated, and then moved to Egypt."

Slavs were taken to the Spanish cities, inhabited by the Jews, who castrated them. Jews in the empire of Franks also practiced castration, with a special reputation enjoyed in this respect were the Jews of Verdun [Dozy, Gesch. der Mauren, 2, p.38] About this specific operation of castration testifies the medieval Arab historian Ibn al-Athir: "During the castration scrotum is cut out and the testicles are remove. Often during this operation, the boy is frightened and one testicle goes up. The jewish-doctor is searching for the testicle, but the search is not always successful, and this testicle descends only when the cut is healed. If it's the left testicle, then the eunuch would retain libido and sperm, but if it is right, eunuch would retain face hair, "[Ibn al-Athir, IX, p. 39]. Only a small part of the slaves survived after such an operation, but the survivors were very expensive. [That is, in modern language, for the Jews it was a very good business].

During the 1490s, trade with the New World began to open up. At the same time, the monarchies of Spain and Portugal expelled all of their Jewish subjects. As a result, Jews began participating in all sorts of trade on the Atlantic, including the slave trade.

The Jews of Algiers were frequent purchasers of Christian slaves brought in by the Barbary corsairs. Meanwhile, Jewish brokers in Livorno (Leghorn), Italy were instrumental in arranging the ransom of Christian slaves from Algiers to their home countries and freedom. Although one slave accused Livorno's Jewish brokers of holding the ransom money until the captives died.

The role of Jewish traders was significant in Brazil and the Christian inhabitants of Brazil were envious because the Jews owned some of the best plantations in the river valley of Pernambuco, and some Jews were among the leading slave traders in the colony. Some Jews from Brazil migrated to Rhode Island in the American colonies, and played a significant role in the 18th-century slave trade of that colony.

The New World location where the Jews played the largest role in the slave-trade was in the Caribbean and Suriname, most notably in possessions of Holland, that were serviced by the Dutch West India Company. The slave trade was one of the most important occupations of Jews living in Suriname and the Caribbean. The Jews of Suriname were the largest slave-holders in the region. Jews played a "major role" in the slave trade in Barbados and Jamaica. Jewish plantation owners in Suriname helped to suppress several slave revolts in the period 1690 to 1722.

In Curaçao, Jews were involved in trading slaves. Jews imported fewer than 1,000 slaves to Curaçao between 1686 and 1710. After that time slave trade diminished.

Jewish merchants played a significant part in the slave-trade of American Colonies only in Newport, Rhode Island.


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Israel is a destination country for men and women trafficked for forced labor and commercial sexual exploitation. Low-skilled workers from China, Romania, Africa, Turkey, Thailand, the Philippines, Nepal, Sri Lanka, and India face conditions of forced labor, such as unlawful withholding of passports, restrictions on movement, non-payment of wages, threats, and physical intimidation. Many labor recruitment agencies in source countries and in Israel require workers to pay recruitment fees ranging from $1,000 to $10,000—a practice that makes workers highly vulnerable to trafficking once in Israel, and in some cases, situations of debt bondage. Israel is also a destination country for women trafficked from Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Uzbekistan, Belarus, China, South Korea and possibly the Philippines for the purpose of sexual exploitation. African asylum seekers entering Israel illegally are also vulnerable to trafficking for forced labor or prostitution.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-12 19:17

>>11
>I have a surprise for you: since ancient times, behind the slave trade stands

Nah, I was expecting another copypasta from some propagandists whom we have never heard of.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-13 9:03

>>12
Shalom, kike!

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-13 12:01

>>13
Shalom? No thank you, I couldn't possibly eat another bite.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-13 13:45

>>13
Man, you need better insults. You're boring the fuck out of me. Can you try to be more original for me? Change it up a bit.

Honestly, I need to teach you how to troll better. Even I could be a better Nazi than you.

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-13 15:24

>>14>>15
Shalom, schlemiel!

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-13 19:17

>>16
You're repeating yourself again! Original insults please!

Name: Anonymous 2012-07-13 20:36

>>16
No, honestly. I'm stuffed but thank you.

Name: Anonymous 2012-08-21 0:29

people often forget that black folk had it good during slavery

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