Police

So what do you all think of the anti police riots in Britain?? Thoughts? Stupid or awesome?

I did find some rather good articles:

http://revolutionaryfrontlines.wordpress.com/2011/03/30/background-the-mass-resistance-movement-in-keratea-lavreotiki-greece-3/

http://sysiphus-angrynewsfromaroundtheworld.blogspot.com/2011/03/keratea-southeast-of-athe-greece.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-30/greek-police-injured-during-clashes-with-landfill-protesters.html

http://news.uk.msn.com/world/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=155778911

Right. The guys from keratea replied back. They said that with all this shit going on they don't even have time to write in greek, let alone english. They sent me these two links to their blog:

http://antixyta.blogspot.com/2011/02/ovriokastro-kerateas.html
(scroll down for english)

http://antixyta.blogspot.com/2011/02/resistance-in-greece-keratea-opposes.html

They aknowledged the need for more info in english but they said that they're doing their best for now.

>>159
They sound like disgusting human beings, a bunch of idiots who don't understand the real world and blame all their problems on democratically elected governments, they don't even seem to realize that without capitalism their country would be a poor 3rd world country ruled by a dictator who would simply murder them all. What does destroying other people's property accomplish? If they don't have to pay the price to use those buildings why shouldn't evil corporations evict a residential district without compensation to build a factory?

>>160
yeah last time i checked (summer of 2010) it was still there ;-)

i don't know all the details of what happened down there, but the last riots happened when the municipality sold the house to a christian sect. the sect just wanted to close down the squat, wasn't even interested in the house itself. the people in christiania gave the squatters a temporary place to sleep (gotta remember it's deadly fucking cold in denmark). so the squatters waged a war on the city government (which quickly depleted the entire tear gas stock of the nation on them, a couple of days later they used up all of norway's teargas aswell).

in the end, the squatters threatened to surround the building where the mayor was doing his council etc... to hold them captive until a new building was found. po-po told the mayor: "i can't guarantee your safety". mayor told the squatters: "okay, you win i'll find you a nice big free building"

afterwards the police chief said that they had spent 100 million kronen on the entire operation, and the only results were: a  destroyed city center and radicalization of the entire youth. these are results (imo) that the citizens of keratea could be striving for.

i can understand that the people are too busy writing stuff down, but i feel like a great opportunity at educating the public at large is being lost here: the real face of the coppers and how to deal with them...

>>162
your english is good and you have time.
start blog, buy camera, get your ass over there.

>>163
fuck off troll

>>164
>your english is good and you have time.
start blog, buy camera, get your ass over there.

There is plenty of footage taken by the residents every time. I don't think they need me there and they are right not to trust me as I could easily be an undercover cop. The other thing is that I don't want to dissinform. In fact I did mention this to my email. I told them that since I don't have any direct information, I could end up missinforming people by mistake. That's why I've been trying to find articles written by them and I avoid linking to anarchist and leftist sites. Not that I don't trust them, but they are not directly informed either.

PS. Thanks for your interest. Even though it's not my struggle either, I feel that these people are fighting for everyone. If everyone did what we're doing, speading waves of anti-information and solidarity throughout the world, it would be almost impossible for dirty politicians to pull their tricks.

Good thread bump

Whoa wait! This whole keratea shit is over a landfill proposal?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1355132/Protesters-use-lasers-target-police-Keratea-Greece.html
Fucking Greeks rioters will argue over anything!

I suppose you only read the beginning of the article.

THE LANDFILL IS GOING TO BE BUILT ON TOP OF AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE !!!

Also, do bother to read the comments and look it up a bit. You'll be surprised.

PS. Lol. Lasers against riot police. Fucking good one! But using fucking lasers to aim slings, now that's fucking AWESOME!!!

>>168
Slingshots are gay. If they were going to use weapons, why don't they all get actual guns? You know? If you hate cops so much, making them just go away won't cut it. You want to remove them perminantly or some shit.
Either way, everyone's a bunch of fags in that situation.

>>169
Demanding one's rights is one thing and being a murderer is another. We are not at war. We give the cops and the government the chance to act within their own laws but they break them. We don't want to kill them but if they fail in their task they will be replaced. WE prefer to ridicule them and de-legalize them. For example in today's news: A secret police car was overturned. Three undercover cops on surveillance mission were taken out and beaten by strikers in the shipbuilding sector. In yesterday's news: A group of people who had been cut tickets for not paying tolls in national highways and whose license plates had been taken raided the police department were the tickets and license plates were kept. They burned the tickets and went home without harming the cops.

They have every reason to be angry but they're idiots, they side with marxist leftist organizations when really they should side with extremely violent far-right militant reactionary groups and take back their government instead of replacing one flawed system with another.

>>171
So first they're assholes for protesting over a landfill about to be built on an archaeological site, Then because they fend off the cops with slingshot instead of killing them and thirdly they are alright for the previous 2 but they should be far right. WTF is this shit you're talking? Do you even take yourself seriously? Or are you just flip-flopping from one side to the other just to attract attention?

>>171
Oh, and also they're not fucking Marxists. The vast majority was conservatives. Most of them voted for the current government - the one that's now sending the riot police instead of setting up a democratic debate. You made this up just to have your short moment of attention.

>>172
>>173
I'm not a flipflopper, I think you mistook me for another poster and I never said they were marxists, just that they sided with them. Maybe this is my fault since this is a politicised board and people will make their snap judgements, I should have been more clear cut.

I'm not sure what you mean by conservative, they're not necessarily anything, what they are is mimicking the communist protestors last year who were complaining about having their dole money cut to pay off money lenders and the corrupt officials who sold out their country to them, they knew what the problem was yet all they did was dilly dally, pick up a red and black flag and wave it for half an hour before getting a coffee and going home. That's the issue here, from the strategic perspective this is utterly useless, even taking into account their disorganization it just makes no sense to anyone with even a moderate level of political competence, they should be creating a unified front and it should have practical aims, in large part the punishment and replacement of those individuals and groups responsible for the problems in the country whom should be openly named and information disseminated proving their guilt.

>>174
Oops. Sorry. I thought you were the guy I was replying to. Don't confuse the citizens of keratea with the demonstrations in the center of athens. I understand that from you it might seem like greeks just revolt for any reason but the injustices and the scandal in this country are unprecedented. The people who were in control and fucked the country up are still in office and covering each other up. There are many people who had houses and businesses and now they collect metals from the garbage to make a living. 'Marxists' as you call them did predict what's happening now more than a year ago and now they're being verified by the economical facts.

The red/black flag was anarchists and most of them are against both government and communists. As for the unified front, there are already many initiatives from many different sides in this direction. The police is demoralised because they themselves have started to understand what's happening here.

Mark my words: The government will fail in less than a year. The consequences are going to make the whole of europe tremble. This is going to be really fucked up.

>>175
Maybe, or it will be the same shit as usual. The communist party are old guard, they need to make radical changes in PR strategy and public image and they won't because their leadership is part of the machine and their followers are dogmatic, much like the hellenic socialists. A party should seek to put across the image that all of Greece is being royally fucked and extreme actions are needed to remove certain individuals and groups from power and replace them with competent civil servants turned party members who know what they're doing and are terrified of facing the same fate as their predecessors, the socialists won't do this as they are part of the corruption, the communists are incapable of this because their line is that only the working class are getting fucked and loosely defined abstract concepts are to blame. A reactionary/nationalist ideology with a well calculated political strategy and a charismatic leader with only long term objectives in mind could accomplish this, it would channel people's frustration and it's message is simple enough not to get mired with ideological quibbles.

The prime minister of greece is a jewish communist.
Are you surprised when he pushes anti-white, anti-greece, lunatic policies?

I notice a lot of gullible idiotic commies posting in this thread.

Socialism and communism is a jewish ideology, and all communist countries have been ruled by jews. There will never be a change to your magical utopian goals, because that has never been the point of communism. You are called USEFUL IDIOTS.

>>176
This would sound logical. Only the right in this place are either pard of the problem and corruption the ND party) or tin-hatters that believe they are direct descendants of leonidas and the fucking elochim!Plus they're absolutely useless politically and they flip flop from one political position to the next. Finally, the far-right party (laos) voted FOR the austerity measures. Nobody believes them now that they flip flopped again. So whatever hope remains is left onthe anarchist who have seen massive increase in popularity and some far-right parties that have not gotten their hands dirty yet. I suppose this is not a dream situation but the leftist right now are the most believable part of the political spectrum. They are the ones organizing people in the neighborhoods and they have kept the same rhetoric for years only to be confirmed by the crisis. I don't have much trust in them either but I trust the anarchist who at the moment are the most trustworthy political speakers. They  deliver. They set up free meals for the homeless and poor. They actively support citizens' movements without turning the anarchist. And generally they have turned into positive actions rather than simply rioting.

Oh, as for the ultra far right they act as paramilitaries sabotaging citizens who team up against the government and also stabbing immigrants in the streets making the already tense environment even more tense.

Why do police attack² protesters?
Don't they ever look at a huge crowd of upset citizens and think, "There must be a good reason so many people got together here to voice a single grievance."

And don't tell me it's the protesters that are the aggressors,
1. Police are highly trained and naturally aggressive people (sheep dogs)
2. Their presence alone is aggressive action
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banality_of_Evil

What would happen if protesters didn't meet any resistance?
Without resistance there wouldn't be any force.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELRZCAPIIdY

Muaaaahahahaaaa! Just read on the news: The head of the greek riot police got sued by the police union for putting his men in danger (in keratea) and for breaking policemen's working rights.

In his statement, the spokesman of the union said that "by targeting the citizens the riot police in covering their own incompetence"


Lol. Keratea is their waterloo.

>>181
Whose? The police force or the People?

>>182
The police obviously. Can't you read? The cops are suing their head for putting them in danger!

>>181,183
sauce needed

>>184
I read it on tvxs.gr (http://tvxs.gr/node/82422) but it's in greek. You can use a translator site if you want. Also, from a different news site, a reuters reporter was beaten up by citizens of kereatea. I don't know the details but i'm curious to see if and how it's going to be reported.

The country’s police workers’ union has sued the Greek Police over “unacceptable working conditions” that hundreds of riot squad officers are having to endure in Keratea, southeastern Attica, where residents are violently protesting the government’s plans to build a landfill, and has demanded the withdrawal of police from the area.

“The problem in Keratea is not one that can be solved by policing,” Christos Fotopoulos told Skai Television’s Proti Grammi program on Wednesday. “It demands a political solution.”

Police have been working long hours in high-risk conditions since December, Fotopoulos said.

The union has complained that officers have been working as many as 16 hours a day and that their health was at risk as well as their safety.

In a statement, the union accused the government of using the police as a target for disenchanted citizens to vent their anger upon. “It is unacceptable for our colleagues to be subjected to violent attacks while on duty, to be taunted and humiliated because the state has failed to safeguard the public interest for so many years,” the statement said.

Socratis Mangas, one riot police officer stationed at Keratea, told Kathimerini that his job had become exhausting and demoralizing. “In 20 years, I’ve never seen anything like this,” he said, noting that he and his colleagues suffer “one attack after the other” and are sometimes pelted with “hundreds of Molotov cocktails” in one shift. Mangas said that riot police unit chiefs were doing everything possible to “stop our job from turning into a vendetta with the people of Keratea.”

“We didn’t ask to be here and we’ve got nothing against these people,” Mangas said. He added, however, that attacks by locals were constant and that emerging unscathed from a shift was a matter of luck. “You don’t know whether you will return home safe or end up in hospital with third-degree burns.”

>>186
This was my point earlier, they should be targetting the politicians in a "talk softly and carry a big stick" manner. The talk are requests for a number of oligarchs to face mandatory death or life imprisonment penalties for betraying the people and indirectly leading to people's deaths as a result of their negligence and a promise to do so upon election if it is not done earlier, the big stick will be the formation of paramilitary groups to be used in the event the corrupt officials under threat of execution/imprisonment decide to go to war with their own people and illegalise the party. Other than this the party should be completely neutral and moderate, drawing from civil servants for official roles, not adopting any fruity ideologies, just a basic national socialist worker's party.

>>187
just a basic national socialist worker's party

I see you're avoiding the term nazi (national socialist). Are that ashamed of your ideology?

I understand. I would too if I was a hittler-whore.

>>186
But it was the choice of each police officer to even be there. Damn limited liability!

>>188
Maybe it could be rephrased as a Greek people's nationalist party, just the basic concept of a country coming together to cooperate, not just to supply an economy of scale with labor but to enforce justice and preserve the general welfare of the Greek folk.

Nothing nazi about that.

>>190
ok. it's just that 'national socialist' = nazi

Which is much worse than simple nationalist or simple socialist.

Anti-police riots? Please its pathetic.  If they really wanted to make a point take out all the cameras you can, paint, bolt cutters, small IED's take your pick....  Just take the camera out...

>>192

Now there is an idea, taking out the UK cameras!

>>192 <--Obviously British

Mate, they'll just take out the drones if you do that. Or use reporters' material.

>>192
Chemical engineering student here, I could actually produce a number of explosives ridiculously easily, it's pretty straightforward to convert old mobile phones and things into detonators as well.

I won't do this however because I am almost guaranteed £50000 a year once I finish my degree. I think that's the reason capitalism is so succesful, the smart people are absorbed into the system, the stupid are outsmarted. It's like a brain drain except between classes.

Cop: Will it blend?

coppers hands do blend indeed :D

>>197
I can't get my copper to blend.  I get my best results using mercury.

oh jeez u n00b ^^ if he dont blend u could cut him up in smaller pieces :) works all the time :) gretings from sweden :P

United States here, we have some pretty bro cops around our colleges and suburbs. I think our inner city police are pretty mixed, depending on where you go. It's a shame really.