So, it looks like lots of whiny GOPers are declaring the mandate unconstitutional (Romney gets a pass for some reason). The way this is playing out is done in such a fashion that is designed to eventually demand the Supreme Court rule on the issue.
What do you think is going to happen? Do you believe the entire law will be deemed unconstitutional, or just the mandate?
Striking down the mandate would be a nightmare, as premiums would rise to considerably high levels.
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Anonymous2011-02-07 7:58
So far, the Justice dept. hasn't filed an appeal, so the law is null and void as of right now.
Assuming they will file an appeal, it doesn't matter if the Supremes strike down just the mandate. It will have the same effect as striking down the whole thing because the funding for all of it is predicated on the mandate being enforced.
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Anonymous2011-02-07 11:15
Sounds possible but you'd think the people that wrote the bill would have taken precautions against this.
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Anonymous2011-02-12 11:32
It depends on how many more fanatical Maoist judges Obongo can pack the Court with between now and then.
>>6
Obongo will appoint 0 Maoist judges between now and then.
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Anonymous2011-02-13 3:08
>>7
Anyone who thinks Obama is a Maoist needs to get their head examined. He's a mainstream Democrat with a corporate twist (typical of anyone in Washington these days), not the next FDR or LBJ as people were hyping him up to be.
Seriously, people who think Obama is a Marxist/Maoist/anything other than a cookie cutter Democrat who just happens to know how to speak is a paranoid, delusional fool that probably needs medication.
>>8 not the next FDR or LBJ
God, I hope not. Who was hyping him up to be that war mongering dumbass?
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Anonymous2011-02-15 9:46
regardless of what you think about obamacare. It is NOT constitutional. The govt cannot force citizens to participate in commerce. And that includes buying health insurance from a health insurance provider.
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Anonymous2011-02-15 10:32
Most political movements dissipate when they achieve their objectives because they are run largely by ordinary people directly affected by a problem in society and they are almost purely motivated by policy. Obama however does not do this, he continually pushes at the limits to this power without any regard for ethics, he is an amoral machiavellian sociopath, his ideology is whatever best convinces other people to give him more power at the time, if he were living in China in the 60s he would be a maoist.
>>12 The govt cannot force citizens to participate in commerce.
If there were a proper universal healthcare law that was passed which allowed an "opt-out clause" for anyone who wanted private insurance for whatever reason, this wouldn't be a problem.
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Anonymous2011-03-09 12:53
If government can force us to buy car insurance I'm pretty sure there's nothing unconstitutional about making us health insurance. I just want a government healthcare that will set a competitive pricing bar out there that will lower the overpriced healthcare rates out there. Creating a new public healthcare will create more public jobs, lower prices in the private sector, improve quality through regulations, lower the deficit, and make its own gravy and bacon! What's not to like?
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Anonymous2011-03-10 21:11
>>16
Read the Constitution some more. When you find that bit authorizing the state to force people to purchase insurance of any sort, let us know, k?
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Anonymous2011-03-11 5:24
>>17 I did a little bit of reading and I agree that there is nothing in the Constitution that can force people to purchase insurance. You are correct my friend.
Also, there is nothing in the constitution that forces us to buy car insurance... but, people still have to buy liability insurance in CA (I don't know about other states). Driving is a privilege not a right. Which makes it alright for the state government to make people buy this type of insurance in order to protect others in case they become harmed in any way (car accident).
But, the Constitution is not perfect. There are amendments created to accommodate changes within it. Oregon and Texas challenged the 26th Amendment as unconstitutional because it limited the voting age to no more than 18 years old.
Although challenged at the Supreme Court, it was later passed because of the increasing pressure during the Vietnam War. Hence the slogan: Old enough to fight, old enough to vote. I'm not saying government is forcing us to vote, I'm saying that the way we perceive things can ultimately change with time. Alcohol prohibition (XVII Amendment) included.
What I learned?
1) Forcing others to buy health insurance is not in the constitution. Correct.
2) Should government force us to buy health insurance. Not a good idea. But the consequences of it can ultimately be beneficial to everybody because it helps lowers health costs to both patients and hospital bills if everybody is covered by insurance.
3) New amendments could allow this. Although very unlikely.
4) Should there still be a government run health care. Absolutely. Nothing unconstitutional about that.
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Anonymous2011-03-11 7:45
Gambling and Usury is prohibited by most religions.
It detracts from human dignity in the long run.
Insurance is a combination of both.
When the gov forces you to choose between
your inalienable rights or secular survival,
its time to remove the government.
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Anonymous2011-03-11 20:00
It's all about money and power. Those who have the most money have the most power. It's a power struggle between gov't and coporations. Niether one has the good of "the people" at heart so it doesn't matter who wins.
The gov't wants to co-op health care to get all that money. If the gov't was truly a fair arbiter for The people vs. corporations, they could enact laws that would bring the cost of health care way down BUT THEY DON't because they want the money, which brings them more power.
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Anonymous2011-03-11 22:49
>>20
Alright, I see what you did there. What do you suggest? If the government co-op health care, they won't turn it into a monopoly, that just doesn't make sense to me. If they get more money and turn the deficit into a surplus, wouldn't that be good for the people?
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Anonymous2011-03-11 23:16
>>21
It's the debt from an absurd level of "promise for the people" consecutive administrations have been trying to sell to us for years as a good thing. Let them begin by chewing their own feet off to free the shackle. Additionally, the plan is soured by the fact that they currently risk trying to burn the candle from both ends - cutting into their own revenue source and their source's revenue source at the same time.
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Anonymous2013-11-01 3:30
We're just over two weeks in, and ObamaCare is a train-wreck.
It’s being reported that exchange websites have crashed, and that the premiums are actually more expensive
Everyone knows those things now.
But what no one’s reporting is that the Affordable Care Act is a merely a front for something much, much worse.
You likely won’t see this story reported on any mainstream media sources – it’s too controversial even for the most conservative talk shows.
But I assure you, months of research point a massive crisis in the making.
No, I'm not talking about higher insurance costs and unnecessary red tape between you and your doctor.
What’s coming could be much worse for your family's health – and wealth -- for decades to come.
We’ve put together a website that shows you what’s coming… when it’s coming… and how to “opt-out” of this next crisis.
Despite us investing more than 1,000 hours of time, and costing us nearly $100,000 in research fees to create this website… you can view it for free, right here.
I urge you to visit the website as soon as possible.
While everyone else has their eyes on Obamacare this week, you’ll want to make sure you prepare for the whole thing to come crashing down…
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Thank you Illuminati masters. You have simplified this mess of paperwork through the comments of your red-neck friends who hate "clean-burning" coal. http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=206181
Obamacare is a huge clusterfuck indeed, but it's not going to destroy us all like the hyperbolic comments in this thread.
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Anonymous2013-11-19 10:23
You don't have to be given the right by the constitution, something is unconstitutional when the constitution prevents you from doing something, if the constitution doesn't mention insurance it means you can do pretty much anything about insurance (accordingly with the rest of the constit)
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Anonymous2013-11-24 3:33
Ironically, full-blown single payer would probably be more Constitutional, but that wouldn't stop the GOP from going into an autistic shitfit over it.