The Grreatt Money Trr iick

The Grreatt Money Trr iick
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"Money is the real cause of poverty," said Sipho.
"Prove it," said Thandi.
"Money is the cause of poverty because it is the
device by which those who are too lazy to work are
enabled to rob the workers of the fruits of our labour."
"Prove it," repeated Thandi.
Sipho slowly folded up the piece of newspaper he
had been reading and put it into his pocket.
"All right," he replied, "I'll show you how the Great
Money Trick is worked."
Sipho opened his lunchbox and took from it two
slices of bread, but as these were not enough, he
asked that anyone who had some bread left should
give it to him. They gave him several pieces, which
he placed in a heap on a clean piece of paper, and,
having borrowed the knives they used to cut and eat
their lunches with from Nkosi, Thandi and Abendigo,
he addressed them as follows:
"These pieces of bread represent the raw materials
which exist naturally in and on the earth for the
use of all people; they were not made by any human
being, but were created for the benefit and sustenance
of all, the same as were the air and the light
of the sun."
"Now," continued Sipho, "I am a capitalist; or
rather, I represent the bosses and landlords; the
Capitalist Class. That is to say, all these raw materials
belong to me. It does not matter for our present
argument how I got possession of them: the only
thing that matters now is the admitted fact that all the
raw materials which are necessary for the production
of the necessaries of life are now the property of the
Capitalist Class. I am that class: all these raw materials
belong to me."
"Now you three represent the Working Class.
You have nothing, and for my part, although I have
these raw materials, they are of no use to me. What
I need is the things that can be made out of these
raw materials by work: but I am too lazy to work for
myself. But first I must explain that I possess something
else besides the raw materials. These three
knives represent all the machinery of production: the
factories, tools, railways, and so forth, without which
the necessaries of life cannot be produced in abundance.
And these three coins" - taking three 5 cent
pieces out of his pocket - "represent my money, capital."
Sipho proceeded to cut up one of the slices of
bread into a number of little square blocks.
"These represent the things which are produced
by labour, aided by machinery, from the raw materials.
We will suppose that a week's work is worth one
Rand."
Sipho now spoke to the Working Class as represented
by Nkosi, Thandi and Abendigo.
"You say that you are all in need of employment,
and as I am the kind-hearted Capitalist Class, I am
going to invest all my money in various industries, so
as to give you plenty of work. I shall pay each of you
one Rand per week, and a week's work is that you
must each produce three of these square blocks.
For doing this work you will each receive your
wages; the money will be your own, to do as you like
with, and the things you produce will of course be
mine, to do as I like with.
You will each take one of these machines and as
soon as you have done a week's work, you shall
have your money."
The Working Class accordingly set to work, and
the Capitalist Class sat down and watched them. As
soon as they had finished, they passed the nine little
blocks to Sipho, who placed them on a piece of
paper by his side and paid the workers their wages.
"These blocks represent the necessaries of life.
You can't live without some of these things, but as
they belong to me, you will have to buy them from
me: my price for these blocks is, one Rand each."
As the Working Class were in need of the necessaries
of life and as they could not eat, drink or wear
the useless money, they were compelled to agree to
the kind capitalist's terms. They each bought back,
and at once consumed, one-third of the produce of
their labour. The Capitalist Class also devoured two
of the square blocks, and so the net result of the
week's work was that the kind capitalist had consumed
two Rand's worth of the things produced by
the labour of the others, and reckoning the squares
at their market value of one Rand each, he had more
than doubled his capital, for he still possessed the
three Rands in money and in addition four Rands
worth of goods. As for the Working Class, Nkosi,
Thandi and Abendigo, having each consumed the
Rand's worth of necessaries they had bought with
their wages, they were again in precisely the same
condition as when they started work - they had nothing.
This process was repeated several times: for
each week's work the producers were paid their
wages. They kept on working and spending all their
earnings. The kind-hearted capitalist consumed
twice as much as any one of them and his pool of
wealth continually increased. In a little while, reck-

oning the little squares at their market value of one
Rand each, he was worth about one hundred Rand,
and the Working Class was still in the same condition
as when they began, and were still tearing into
their work as if their lives depended upon it.
After a while the rest of the crowd began to laugh,
and their merriment increased when the kind-hearted
capitalist, just after having sold a Rand's worth of
necessaries to each of his workers, suddenly took
their tools, the machinery of production, the knives,
away from them, and informed them that as owing to
over-production, all his storehouses were full-tobursting
with the necessaries of life, he had decided
to close down the works.
"Well, and what the bloody hell are we to do
now?" demanded Thandi.
"That's not my business," replied the kind-hearted
capitalist. "I've paid your wages, and provided you
with plenty of work for a long time past. I have no
more work for you to do at present. Come round
again in a few months' time and I'll see what I can do
for you."
"But what about the necessaries of life?"
Demanded Nkosi.
"We must have something to eat."
"Of course you must," replied the capitalist, in a
friendly way; "and I shall be very pleased to sell you
some."
"But we haven't got any bloody money!"
"Well, you can't expect me to give you my goods
for nothing! You didn't work for me
for nothing, you know.
I paid you for your
work and you
should have saved
something: you
should have been
careful like me.
Look how I
have got on
by being
careful!"
T h e
u n e m -
p l o y e d
l o o k e d
blankly at
e a c h
other, but
the rest of
the crowd
o n l y
laughed;
and then
the three
u n e m -
p l o y e d
began to
abuse the kind-hearted capitalist, demanding that he
should give them some of the necessaries of life that
he had piled up in his warehouses, or to be allowed
to work and produce some more for their own needs;
and even threatened to take some of the things by
force if he did not agree with their demands. But the
kind-hearted capitalist told them not to be cheeky,
and spoke to them about honesty, and said if they
were not careful he would have their faces battered
in for them by the police, or if necessary he would
call out the army and have them shot down like
dogs, the same as he had done before at many other
places.
This text is taken from the book
“Unfinished Business: the Politics
of Class War” by the Class War
Federation. Their website is
http://www.classwaruk.org
It has minor changes by the editor
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Hand over the Bread!Hand over the Bread!
Ten Rand

Discuss

The experiment is biased because it handwaves away or ignores most of the actual operations of a capitalist system, the prose is uninteresting, and this is most definitely spammy.

Its true indeed this is the end result of capitalism. layed out for us simple folk I like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tl;dr
but i like the beginning.
Probably i agree with it all.

Shows clearly how the rich get richer and the poor get poorer in capitalism but, yes you will have to read it to see how.

Erroneous assumption about economy been a closed system among other fallacies plus completely unrealistic hypotheticals under cuts everything OP says.

First of all, it's impossible for a group of people to somehow have a monopoly on all tools of production. Tools are MADE, by PEOPLE. They are not some static amount of magic items handed down by God. More old tools and never before seen new tools are made everyday. To assume all machineries of production are limited to a static number, and that static number is somehow magically handed to a group of people by some mystical force, is completely unrealistic.

Second, same thing about raw materials. Just about any physical matter can be considered a raw material if you can develop the technology to put it to use. Not only are there unlimited amount of matter in the universe, just earth itself still has an insane amount of still untapped resources available to the technology we have now, and even more with advancement in tech. Nobody or group present or future can possibly own all of it.

Raw materials are unlimited, additional and new tools of production can be made. If you want to stick with that arbitrarily set class distinction, then anyone and everyone can become a Capitalist.

There are lot LOT more other fallacies and errors in your ridiclous tl;dr example, but  I'll not spend my time commenting on them. The ones I presented above are the fundamental ones that cuts your whole post down.

Oh, as for money, money only causes poverty when it is some state issued paper-bill backed by nothing, which then gets counterfeited by a socialist central bank so the government can have more cash to fiance more deficit spendings or bail out moronic banks. (Hmmm, where have I seen that happen?). But then that's a whole different story, got nothing to do with Capitalism and free market.

>>8

So capitalism is like, God's chosen economic system?

>>9
Capitalism is mathematically perfect, if god created the laws of mathematics, logic and physics then this strongly suggests it is god's chosen economic system, in the same way mass and gravity are some of god's chosen physical properties of the universe as perceived by us.

>>9
have some more kool-aid.

>>10
I don't have to, thanks to capitalism I am free and prosperous and can sip Pio Cesare whilst dining in opulent splendor as opposed to chugging kool aid with my fried chicken.

>>11
have a little more LSD in your Pio Cesare, then.
Your hallucinatory rambling endorsements of capitalism are HI-larious.

>>12
Obviously we require more capitalism then, to help you see the benefits of individual freedom.

>>13
tyrranical much?

>>13
But are we spawning more Overlords?

"The elephant is the perfect symbol for Republicans: they never forget, lead
each other around by the tail, and think everyone should work for peanuts."

Little kid got on the school bus today wearing a T-shirt with the slogan
"Proud to be a Democrat." Bus driver asked why he was a Democrat and the kid
said "Because my parents are Democrats." "So," said the bus driver, "What if
your parents were lying, biblethumping, perverted hypocrites? Then what?" The
kid replied: "Then we'd be Republicans."

"A conservative is a man who wants the rules changed so that no one can make a
pile the way he did." - Gregory Nunn

8-18 samefag or just trolls?

>>6 and OP seems to be the only legit posts here.

>>19
I was >>2.  I just wanted even less to do with the poorly-implemented thought experiment than >>6 did.  But I thank him for saying what he did.

>>19
funny how you question the legitimacy of everyone who disagrees with you. I posted 4,8, 10, &12, so there.

And, I finally read the whole thing and it perfectly describes "the system"

"But the
kind-hearted capitalist told them not to be cheeky,
and spoke to them about honesty, and said if they
were not careful he would have their faces battered
in for them by the police, or if necessary he would
call out the army and have them shot down like
dogs, the same as he had done before at many other
places."

So, so true.

>>21

Yeah, it perfectly describes "the system", the one you have in your fantasy.

Ever heard of something called garbage in garbage out? You apply solid logic to lies, you still get lies as your conclusion. OP's ridiculous example does have flawless logic to it, but the whole thing is founded on false facts.

>>6 pointed out the 2 fundamental false facts that OP built his whole post on. How about you address that instead of just blurring out "I agree" or "So, so true" like a mindless sheep huh?

Oh I know, you can't.

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for
selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

I find it laughable that the same people who argue vehemently for evolution, the natural development of life, are totally hypocritical when it comes to social evolution.
They feel that life should evolve naturally, WITHOUT INTERFERENCE -- survival of the fittest, if you will, but REJECT this concept when it comes to human societal development.

>>24
Yes, you must give up your wealth to support programs for people who cannot survive on their own...because they must sit on the couch all day and play video games.

>>23
Do you do anything but parrot what other people have said word-per-word?

I just found this on that website in  my OP

Is it necessary to repeat here the irrefutable arguments of Socialism which no bourgeois economist has yet succeeded in disproving? What is property, what is capital in their present form? For the capitalist and the property owner they mean the power and the right, guaranteed by the State, to live without working. And since neither property nor capital produces anything when not fertilized by labour - that means the power and the right to live by exploiting the work of someone else, the right to exploit the work of those who possess neither property nor capital and who thus are forced to sell their productive power to the lucky owners of both. Note that I have left out of account altogether the following question: In what way did property and capital ever fall into the hands of their present owners?

>>24

Oho, do I detect an attitude about evolution?
Do you also believe in Creationism?
God, so fucking predictable.

>>27
Is it necessary to repeat here the irrefutable arguments of Socialism which no bourgeois economist has yet succeeded in disproving?
No discussion exists in an environment of silence.  (Also, what about a "proletariat" economist who believes in capitalism?)

>>28
Maybe he believes in intelligent design.  I guess that counts as "creationism by causality" or "evolution on rails," maybe.

For the capitalist and the property owner they mean the power and the right, guaranteed by the State, to live without working.
Welfare?

And since neither property nor capital produces anything when not fertilized by labour - that means the power and the right to live by exploiting the work of someone else, the right to exploit the work of those who possess neither property nor capital and who thus are forced to sell their productive power to the lucky owners of both.
Definitely those who subsist on welfare.

>>27

You don't know what the hell you are talking about do you?

>For the capitalist and the property owner they mean the power and the right, guaranteed by the State, to live without working.

Right, because apparently owning a property also..somehow grants you the right to force others to work for you? What sort of crack are you smoking? If people think you are an asshole or think they have enough ability to start their own business, they will leave your employment. You don't get to force them back to work for you at gunpoint pal.


>And since neither property nor capital produces anything when not fertilized by labour - that means the power and the right to live by exploiting the work of someone else, the right to exploit the work of those who possess neither property nor capital and who thus are forced to sell their productive power to the lucky owners of both.

Exploiting? You mean voluntary trading. Equivocating in an awfully sounded word doesn't change the fact that employment isn't forced, and everyone is free to save up and purchase their own property and start their own business instead of working for someone else. That's right, those who currently possesses neither property nor capital are free to purchase property, stock up and invest their savings, just like hundreds of thousands of other successful entrepreneurs big and small all over the globe in the past decades, surprised?


This thread started by OP finished longtime ago at >>6. The metaphysical fact that capital isn't some static figure held by a group of people due to luck, but an ever increasing amount that that is produced and earned though work, drags this whole silly notion of some arbitrary commie class distinction into the gutter.

>>27

Never mind, read too fast and thought you posted that stuff yourself.

>>31
The thing is: no one who supports the notions of >>1 or >>27 will ever understand the true meaning of >>6.  It's completely beyond their concepts.

just read the communist manifesto.. and now this? this is just god-sent.. thanks OP

samefag troll plague this thread, move along

The Capitalist System
Michael Bakunin
republicans that can think for themselves should read this it shows why rich are really the welfare fags

>>27
>>36
You have to work smart as well as work hard, if a scientist spends all day in an office and discovers a more efficient method of processing bauxite or a salesman discovers a more efficient method of distributing mobile phone accessories they've just done a lot more good than some worthless laborer.

Cry all you want about evil bourgeois who work with their "book learnings" and how you don't understand the concept of working smart, you're just embaressing yourself.

some worthless laborer.
theres more of us than you. I can live without efficient methods of processing bauxite.  distributing mobile phone accessories no dont really need that either

Without us worthless laborers nothing gets done whos going to process your bauxite YOU!!HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

I love when you guys talk like what you do is worth a damn! like you produce anthythiing you would not be able to live without us! You capitalist are leaches what good are methods when you have no labors to follow said method. Most likely any ideas for inmproved method came from said labors and a slimeball lazy cockgobbler like you took credit for!

>>28
I bet it would surprise you to know that I believe in evolution.

I am a TRUE believer in Darwinism, that is to say I believe in social Darwinism as well.
Do you? Or do you reject "Survival of the fittest"?

Seems to me there's 2 choices, if you choose to look at it this way:  You can work for an "evil" capitalist, who doesn't have the power to force you to do anything,
OR
You can be part of the Gov't "Collective", an institution (gov't) that has the power to throw your ass in jail if you disobey.

you sir have no fucking idea how the price form

>>38
who needs who is clearly seen on the market, where you laborer get paid less while I a qualified worker get paid more

don't be envious, neither of us really deserve anything, there's no morality in wages, it's all business

the capitalists got rich on fulfilling demand of other people, and if their money wasn't guaranteed to them, they wouldn't have incentive, which would hurt both the rich and their clients

the only people we should all hate are those corrupted, who take what's not rightfully theirs - both the evil corporations, corrupted politicians and lazy fatsos watching tv all day

>>38

It's funny how it's always the uneducated that's ignorant and rage in incoherent nonsense and bad English.

People work both with their mind and their body, some jobs require one more than the other, and everyone uses both. Ignorant commie thinks that somehow wealth is produced purely though physical labor, and that capital is static.

Other post before me already explained this shit through and through, so I'm not going to bother. But damn does it destroys someone's faith in humanity when we got morons like you walking this earth.

who needs who is clearly seen on the market,BULLSHIT
>>39
greed and leagcy wealth like you Do you think youre really going to win by dying with the most toys

social Darwinism or facebook facism your corporatist perspectives will not save you when drug by prolletariats from your house to face your crimes! When youre dead! Nothing of value will be lost! You scream that this is wrong but who should survive but the fitest. You just dont know what real life is. You probly work for mommy or daddy or one of thier buddies. I am sure you have never done an honest days labor in your life much less had to work for some prick like yourself. I bet you dont realize how close to death you been. I cant even count how many guys I have worked for if they would have said one more word I would have beated the life from them. Like some fag like you thinks he needs to watch the labors to make sure everyones working. Well if theres one thing that pisses me off its someone watching me work cause that means I am the only one working! After the years I have put in. If someone stands around watching, it will be me! I dont care if your the damned owner of the corp I work for MYSELF. I AM NOT YOUR SLAVE! Some dicks like you cant stand the truth go figure that one? I see it like this you can lie youself but dont lie to me.
It's a running theme in the Bible that those who are blessed with great resources and talent have an extra responsibility to put them to good use. This verse states that much will be expected of those who have been given much. http://biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2012:48&version=KJV If youre going be a worthless go do it somewhere else and be a corpratist faggy fag. Almost anyone that reads this has had a boss and knows he or she is the most worthless fucker in the building! Most any of us that have worked at all in the real world know most any one that got higher up. Got there brown nosing or on her back or backstabbing. God and  everybody knows if people like you had to do normal work it would kill you. What kind of lies will you come up with now. Tell me my eyes didnt see bosses that Dont do a fucking thing but run around talk on there cell phone like there making the next big deal thats gonna make us all rich. No deals like that ever come. At least that enrich the labors. Oh play alot golf, go casinos, taverns, internets, Well not much work their to busi busi busi. The world has become top heavy with lazy and greedy people to selfinterested to care about us (worthless) laborers.

If its all just business you should just accept that your gonna die at hands of proletariat. We refuse to stavre while you get fat and gobble gobble everthing in site and lay claim stuffs that is not yours.

Oh wow, someone just have to bring social Darwinism into this shitstorm huh? Darwinism only applies to organisms without free will. Humans have free will, that means it isn't the environment that's going to decide his fate, it's his own choices. Just something to keep in mind.

>>44

As for you, if you want to work for yourself, grow some balls, save up, and start your own business. Whining about how you don't like the way you are treated by your employer is just that, whining. You weren't forced to work in their employment, you CHOOSE to work there, YOU. Say fuck you and quit the job if you think they were genuinely been assholes.

>>43
Your smugness makes me ill. Your downfall has already began You think you can control the outcome, you and yours will be safe. Wrong! I anit sayin I know how its gonna end. Do you really think this shit spew out will save you from an angry mob, Just this week a guy was killed by his body guard. The mob hivemind knows

He's uneducated that's ignorant and rage in incoherent nonsense and bad English. How come theres people out here that agree with what Ive said. You might have a cronny out here works in tandum with you but I think your doing alot of samefaging

>>46

And I think you are just a mindless thug looking for excuse for violence.

If shit really goes south and there's a mob on the march looking to loot others' property and do whatever the hell they want by force, then no, there won't be any shit that spews out from my mouth, but there will be AR-15s that spew out bullets all across where I live.

That's what self-defense and gun owning is all about, putting down thugs like you.

Poor people deserve to be exterminated.
They're all just "useless eaters" that suck off the teet of the wealthy.
I have people that work under my supervision. I feel it's my duty to push them to the extreme limits of their capabilities, with the knowledge that they will eventually break down into total submission to the corporation.
They're just scum anyways.

>>48

Trolls on 4chan never take a break do they.

8/10 for been a timely opportunist

>>45
If I want shit out of you I will squeeze your head. I quit and quit and quit. Most all the places I have worked for have educated knuckleheads runnning the show. I have tried get a business going but you cant do it with out capital. Dont give me shit go to bank its just tradding one master for another. The few honest guys Ive seen tried that shit and where getting crushed. its not just the line of work either. I done alot of differant things even been JYD So there no lack of trying or ambition here. I use to think I was a republican cuase rush and ragen said if I worked my hardest I would get the american dream. Their livin the dream. While Ive been the lets getter dun guy. The fat rich just got richer.

To all my laboror bros find the ways too hurt these rich fags and sock it to them. Whatever comes, comes. The thing that hurts rich fags most is when there losing money. Make them bleed from every where. sobtage anything and everthing make sure they are left with nothing. If they turn there heads stop working. try to do all as covertly as possible even if you cant do it all your self others will see whats happened and will continue. Find where they live they should have no place to call home ever again. these people deserve no compasion no place to hide. Will they afford you any, Have they so far. how many of you are in derire straights. Its their fault, Your like this, Hey kids know why dad cant afford to give nice things its cause his rich boss is fat ass fatty getting fattier. You kids know what to do find dads bosses car and key the shit out of it when he gets it fixed do it again. find bosses daught and reap them bitchs. find all the places they hide shit and rob them blind. beat the rich kids up in school. The more staggnent this country gets the closer we are to change

>>47
theres more of us and you will run out of bullets or food then what its just time is on our side. some would say youve overworked your defenders. Theres also would be a question of how good you are with a gun. Ever thought what if they dont run at me. any good 3006 I sit at 500 yards away BULLEYE. I would not do that. I want see your face as I destory you and your hedgemony. I think will lick the tears from face as beg for life.

I would like to be the one to take out Gleen Beek

>>52
Yep if someone did a Saw number on him. That all the rich could see. Yep things would change quick! It would be the coolest if we could get his daughters to do it to him.

>>50

And who said you have to borrow from the the bank to raise capital? You can save up your own salary or you can call up your buddies to group up and pile together everyone's money they have to spare to form a partnership.

You think you are the only start up guy who tried and failed? You think that other successful entrepreneurs somehow have a magic spell that guarantee their continuous success? You say the word educated like it's some sort of bad disease. Well guess what, those that successes in starting up is precisely BECAUSE they are educated, they took the time learn about businesses and related pitfalls, took the time to think through on their plans and whether or not it will work.

The American Dream isn't about guaranteed success, no system nor person can give that. What it is about is the freedom for anyone to pursue their own goals and a guarantee that IF you succeed, no one can take away from you what you earned.

Education isn't about going to some rich college. It's about pursuing the truth and never turn your back on it. It's always easier to mindlessly rage, but that doesn't mean it's right, nor that it will help.

>>51

There's more of us? Who's this us? Some imaginary allies you dream up?

This isn't Soviet Russia where everyone is an uneducated peasant who will believe the nonsense bullshit Red spew out and follow like sheeps.

Despite some of their own shortcomings the vast majorities of Americans still know what's right and what's wrong, knows history and knows bullshit when they see it.

Thugs that wants to use violence to get their way because they refused to think, those like you, ARE THE MINORITY. Get the fact straight.

>>54
no understanding what it is like to be poor

educated I rember seeing the Valedictorian and cum laude students cheat there way through high school alot of people in school cheat I have not forgot. Same way in higher education. all any one has think back to school you all have seen and thats gradyaten wit honors. "honors" I think being the keyword I refuse cheat my way through life an honest man has nothing to fear

>>55
Yeah buddie keep thinking that It will just make it that much easier

Is God really gonna punish the rich people by sending them to Hell

>>56

They can cheat their way though school, but can they cheat their way to success in the real world? Can they develop a workable technology by cheating the numbers? Can they make a workable product by cheating the process?

I'm a business major graduate, currently my net worth is less than 5k. Recently I just started a food stand business with a few friends in downtown selling lunches. Profit isn't nothing major but everyone is happy we are all saving up the capital to pay tuition and fund better businesses in the future. By $ numbers I'm pretty sure everyone of us is in the poor category, but what difference does it make?

>>56
What the fuck are you saying?

>>9
Capitalism is NOT mathematically perfect, it's extremely chaotic and unpredictable.

Mathematically perfect economic systems usually can NOT occur in society. This is because they often involve setting aside morality and the value of human life.

Creating a perfect economic system is impossible exactly for this reason. It's wrong to place a value on some one else's life or on the time they've living it.

This is where economics fails. Politics =/= economics. Economics is scientific, it's the study of the flow goods and the value of the market, any economist that pretends there is a solution to any given problem is either trying to sell a book or win a prize.

This is coming from a major that's done his stint in economics.

My political views are neutral.

>>61
math major*

>>61
>>62
The world is not totally unpredictable and capitalism provides a mathematical model of what can be understood where other systems rely on people's whims to judge the value of actions or the expectation that politicians will not act in their self-interest. The fact casinos are in business proves this, if everyone were an expert card counter and put as much thought and research into their trade as the average firm or investor puts into their decisions then the house wouldn't always win, either people wouldn't gamble when the odds aren't in their favor or they would gamble when they've found a way to beat the house. This principle can be extended to the every day life of those poor poor proles I suppose, working smart often pays a lot more than working hard, for example spending an hour shopping around and cutting household expenses by 10% is the equivalent of a pay rise of 11% for the rest of the year, we need more capitalism, capitalists and general all around capitalization of everything to make the economy a more efficient place.

>>59

riiiight. No one eeeeeever got rich by cheating.
Keep repeating the propaganda, lunkhead.

riiiight. No one eeeeeever got rich by cheating.
So you fault the person for that, and maybe the person who had the ability to stop it but didn't; but, not the whole system.

"Money is the real cause of poverty," said Sipho
"giv me yo shit cracka" replied Tylenol X
"yes you see money is the cause of poverty because it is the
device by which those who are too lazy to work are
enabled to rob the workers of the fruits of our labour"
"wat da fuck iz you sayin boy, i aint here to rob no fruit yo pussy ass muvvafuggah, get me dat watch and yo wallet and yo jacket" demanded Tylenol X
"hey" said Sipho
"rite now cracka or you gonna get cut" repeated Tylenol X
"mmrmrrmph"

>>63
You misunderstand what a mathematical model is or what purpose it holds. A mathematical model is simply a way to describe something; weather patterns, turbulence, even economics.

I can make a mathematical model based on capitalism as much as I can make a mathematical model based on socialism, or anarchism, or communism; and for absolutely all of them you see that to get the best result you must remove the human element, which is not possible. What I mean by this is that we cannot kill people off to further the economy, or restrict the purchases of certain people, or restrict what certain people can or cannot do, even if this makes the economy 'better.'

Using your casino example, I can illustrate this perfectly. If you'd want the people to win, you just have them all play smart right? It sounds easy enough, but it simply doesn't work that way because the casino is always at liberty to kick you out since it is their casino. If they see that someone is always winning and playing smart, they can simply ban him from the premises, that's very simply and acts in favor for the casino's economy.

Can you do this in a free society though? Can you place restrictions on how many people play smart in order to have the house win more, or vice versa?

An economic mathematical model never implies that an economic system is better, all it does is explain how it works. In this sense, they are generally all equal.

what he said.

Sorry been busy this weekend but just this should be said

CAPITALISN like a pig. You can put lipstick on it, But it still a PIG!

>>69
Capitalism is an angel, you can tar the angel and persecute it but it is still an angel.

>>70
Capitalism is an angel! 4chan please pray for this retard.

>>69
Capitalism is a pig! 4chan please pray for this retard.

>>71-72
I'm sorry, 4chan is out of pray points.
We'll send him a nice gift basket instead.

>>73
Is it a nice basket Its for a capitalist. Is it kosher or monsanto approved?

This is what communists actually believe, they know nothing of the real world.

>>74
Naturally it's kosher, no monsanto crops though, those are just for the masses.

What a bunch of indecipherable spamtard shit.  Do yourself a favor ok: TELL THE WHOLE WORLD YOU'RE PART OF THE TYRANICAL TROLL SALESMAN BRIGADE!!!!

>>77
I fucked your mom

Socialism works great on paper. It works great if you think stealing is ok. In real nations that are not in the stone age, it breaks down eventually.

Nothing is free.