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Obama's Tyranny

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-21 21:21

Obama's administration has passed more laws restricting the freedoms of Americans than Bush ever did...And you assholes love him..

Discuss.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-21 23:39

I don't think it's that he's passing "more laws" but, rather, that the laws that are coming out of this Administration are nebulous and it is impossible to predict exactly what will be produced by them.  Some laws even create bodies that will create their own policies so its like writing a blank check to create a blank checkbook.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-22 8:50

>>2
Astute observation.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-22 13:16

Hurm, really?  The only law Obama passed that restricts freedoms that I can think of is the health insurance mandate.

I mean you could argue that PATRIOT counts because he re-signed it into law, but he left out some stuff that he said he didn't like during the campaign trail, from what I understand.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-22 16:15

The financial reform bill gives the government the power to dissolve any enterprise they deem a threat to the economy...THAT'S SCARY SHIT!!!

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-22 16:47

>>5
Do they have to state their argument for the said enterprise's "threat?"

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-22 17:09

>>6
If you have to ask, the answer is "no."

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-22 17:56

>>6
Once the government grants itself the power to do anything it doesn't have to justify itself to the people.

Name: Oh Yeah, Fuck That Shit 2010-07-22 20:56

You guys are all scared about new government powers. Why? Our whole experience with the PATRIOT act proves you can trust them to use their powers strictly for the benefit of the people. I mean, no one every spied on me! (Hence why I am willing to put my name and e-mail here for everyone to see!)

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-22 21:30

>>9
Thats exactly what Stalin, Hitler, Pol, Mao, Fidel etc.. wanted their countrymen to believe also...

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-23 3:21

>>5
No it doesn't.

Christ, you fearmongerers.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-23 8:06

>>11
Yes it does. Educate yourself.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-23 10:06

>>11
Did you even read the bill?  It doesn't even require reading between the lines to get that impression - it's stated in (plain) legalese.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-23 12:21

>>12
>>13
Oh? Cite your goddamn sources then.  I have read the bill, and I didn't see anything like that in it.  You have the burden of proof.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-23 13:06

Obama's not a tyrant just a tranny

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-23 13:48

>>14
David Brook's latest column in the New York Times "History will judge rise of Bureaucracy"....Happy now?

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-24 6:02

>>4
I believe the health care mandate is probably the biggest one. Seems to me this is the first time in history that Congress has mandated that people actually purchase health care insurance, or be fined, or thrown in jail. No matter how much they make a stretch of it, the commerce clause in no was makes it Constitutional in the least bit.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-25 23:03

>>17
If you have a car, you have to have automobile insurance in most states.

If you are alive, you now have to have life insurance.

It's actually a very practical solution; costs will go down because emergency room visits will drop heavily.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-25 23:20

If you breathe air you should pay an air tax.

If you use sunlight you should pay a sun tax.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-26 1:05

>>18
I'm not arguing the practicality of such, I'm arguing the principles behind it. Auto insurance prescribed and mandated in the individual states is Constitutional, and the Supreme Court has ruled that states can legislate mandates on such things, provided it does not infringe on the rights of people with the Bill of Rights, and the Fourteenth Amendment. But where in such a document can be found where Congress has the authority to pass legislation that clearly violates its limited expressed powers?

>>19
The ability to tax is the ability to destroy.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-26 9:04

>>18
It's actually a very practical solution; costs will go down because emergency room visits will drop heavily.
But there's no evidence to suggest that unless you artificially decide when people are allowed go to emergency rooms or can be turned them away.  In the first state to adopt a state-wide form of health care and heavily focus on "preventative measures," Massachusetts, the frequency of emergency room visits stayed the same compared to before their system was implemented.  Costs didn't drop as they expected.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-26 15:11

Obama is a Marxist, of the Mao variety.

HE IS FAIL.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-26 19:04

>>21
I agree.

>>22
You mean Maoist? I doubt so, since he has increased sending in predator drones into Pakistan, a part of US imperialism that Mao was against.

I see Obama as more a corporatist (or if you want to be nasty about it, fascist), since his election and promised legislation have pretty much been big wins for the corporations, something Mao would not have advocated either.

I will agree with the fail though.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-27 1:48

>>23
I'd like to interject: Obama's administration tries to be fascist but his attempts are currently weak.

Name: Anonymous 2010-07-27 15:18

>>24
I'd like to interject
RMS? That you? Also I don't mean fascist in terms of dictatorial control, but rather, the whole merger of state and corporate power aspect of it (Wall Street and bank bailouts, ownership of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, GM GMAC, etc.).

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