Obama's administration has passed more laws restricting the freedoms of Americans than Bush ever did...And you assholes love him..
Discuss.
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Anonymous2010-07-21 23:39
I don't think it's that he's passing "more laws" but, rather, that the laws that are coming out of this Administration are nebulous and it is impossible to predict exactly what will be produced by them. Some laws even create bodies that will create their own policies so its like writing a blank check to create a blank checkbook.
Hurm, really? The only law Obama passed that restricts freedoms that I can think of is the health insurance mandate.
I mean you could argue that PATRIOT counts because he re-signed it into law, but he left out some stuff that he said he didn't like during the campaign trail, from what I understand.
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Anonymous2010-07-22 16:15
The financial reform bill gives the government the power to dissolve any enterprise they deem a threat to the economy...THAT'S SCARY SHIT!!!
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Anonymous2010-07-22 16:47
>>5
Do they have to state their argument for the said enterprise's "threat?"
You guys are all scared about new government powers. Why? Our whole experience with the PATRIOT act proves you can trust them to use their powers strictly for the benefit of the people. I mean, no one every spied on me! (Hence why I am willing to put my name and e-mail here for everyone to see!)
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Anonymous2010-07-22 21:30
>>9
Thats exactly what Stalin, Hitler, Pol, Mao, Fidel etc.. wanted their countrymen to believe also...
>>14
David Brook's latest column in the New York Times "History will judge rise of Bureaucracy"....Happy now?
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Anonymous2010-07-24 6:02
>>4
I believe the health care mandate is probably the biggest one. Seems to me this is the first time in history that Congress has mandated that people actually purchase health care insurance, or be fined, or thrown in jail. No matter how much they make a stretch of it, the commerce clause in no was makes it Constitutional in the least bit.
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Anonymous2010-07-25 23:03
>>17
If you have a car, you have to have automobile insurance in most states.
If you are alive, you now have to have life insurance.
It's actually a very practical solution; costs will go down because emergency room visits will drop heavily.
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Anonymous2010-07-25 23:20
If you breathe air you should pay an air tax.
If you use sunlight you should pay a sun tax.
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Anonymous2010-07-26 1:05
>>18
I'm not arguing the practicality of such, I'm arguing the principles behind it. Auto insurance prescribed and mandated in the individual states is Constitutional, and the Supreme Court has ruled that states can legislate mandates on such things, provided it does not infringe on the rights of people with the Bill of Rights, and the Fourteenth Amendment. But where in such a document can be found where Congress has the authority to pass legislation that clearly violates its limited expressed powers?
>>19
The ability to tax is the ability to destroy.
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Anonymous2010-07-26 9:04
>>18 It's actually a very practical solution; costs will go down because emergency room visits will drop heavily.
But there's no evidence to suggest that unless you artificially decide when people are allowed go to emergency rooms or can be turned them away. In the first state to adopt a state-wide form of health care and heavily focus on "preventative measures," Massachusetts, the frequency of emergency room visits stayed the same compared to before their system was implemented. Costs didn't drop as they expected.
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You mean Maoist? I doubt so, since he has increased sending in predator drones into Pakistan, a part of US imperialism that Mao was against.
I see Obama as more a corporatist (or if you want to be nasty about it, fascist), since his election and promised legislation have pretty much been big wins for the corporations, something Mao would not have advocated either.
>>24 I'd like to interject
RMS? That you? Also I don't mean fascist in terms of dictatorial control, but rather, the whole merger of state and corporate power aspect of it (Wall Street and bank bailouts, ownership of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, GM GMAC, etc.).