China and the far east (and India, to an extent [I'm talking about Buddhism]) have it right
Theres a reason why you can't come up with a 'God Almighty' for the Chinese like you can with the Western World.
ITS CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ONE
Know why? Cause its futile. If God is truly almighty and powerful, why the fuck would he be as simple as two legs, two arms, human face and smiling? An almighty being takes an almighty shape, and no, making him a human thats really fucking tall doesn't count.
Instead, their religions concentrate more on the universe and life in general. But why? Most other religions concentrate on one single being and pleasing him, yet the Asians concentrate more on life in general, and not some mythical unicorn. They don't have one single being, and neither are they so closely chained to their damn religion like Christians and lolmuslims are. How the fuck did THEY strike Gold when it came to religion? Superior White Race my ass, I'd rather ponder and think, better myself and learn to live in Harmony with the world than to just worry about some 100 ft faggot trying to catch me jerking off just so he could send me to hell.
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Anonymous2009-10-28 15:01
>>1
Thank you very much for that insightful POLITICAL post. Boy, it's sure fitting for a board about POLITICS.
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Anonymous2009-10-28 19:44
All the negative things about western society come from the secular aspects beginning with the "Age of Reason" in the 1600's and the "Enlightenment" in the early 1800's.
>>1
The kind of thinking that creates a problem will not help resolve it. >>3
Then shouldn't you be praying or whipping yourself or something?
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Anonymous2009-10-29 13:44
>>2 What makes you think that religion is anything but a subset of politics?
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Anonymous2009-10-30 20:52
A man's religion is his own business. Or would have been, were it not for Organised Religion.
Organised Religion has a lot in common with Organised Pharma and Organised Crime.
One way of Organised Crime is to have you living in artificial fear that one of their thugs will ...forget to not break your windows if you don't pay them some protection money every now and then.
Organised Pharma has you living in artificial sickness all the time, since there is more money in treatment than cure. And if you're not sick already, they'll invent something.
Organised Religion will tell you of this thing called "sin", which is a violation of some Divine Law. And lo and behold, who gets to define that law? And who do you have to pay some protection money to, if you don't wanna go to hell?
And what better way to ...liberate the population from this "sin" thing than to get into politics? Form an alliance with the ruling class? Have them form a State Church and stuff?
Failing the State Church thing, there's always those rallies where you can tell people that one certain candidate is the only thing between the people and "eternal damnation" or somesuch.
For this reason, let us by all means bury Buddhism, especially the early versions. After all, it preached "You are your own Saviour. What other Saviour can there be?"
What, self-empowerment? Ooh, the blasphemy of it!
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Anonymous2009-10-31 5:51
>>7
Better still, as a ruling class, why not make your own religion?
That's what nobleman Lenin did, as a loyal member of the tsarist regime rewarded with the title nobleman and adept at squeezing the peasants who worked on his land he was in an excellent position to take advantage of the crumbling power of the monarch. He used his contacts to gain support from the Germans and created a religion geared for coup which provided an excuse for it's followers to betray their country, terrorise the population and accept help from foreigners in their rise to power. When he succeeded in gaining power this belief system became the state religion and all other religions were banned.
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Anonymous2009-10-31 15:16
>>7 By Buddhism you certainly mean the sanitized Western version, stripped of golden Siddhartha statues and venerating him as a god. Stripped of a feudal caste system with clergy near the top. Stripped of all that anti-falsifiable shit that actually made it a religion.
Actually, the Japanese and other non-Western people are fascinated with a sanitized version of Christianity of all things. Apparently people will choose foreign-made shit over local-made shit.
One thing I agree with Buddhism though, I am my worst enemy.
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Anonymous2009-10-31 15:19
>>8 Obvious troll is obvious. Try trolling right-wingers for a change.
Marxism-Leninism was not elevated to the position of a state religion until Stalin took over. Learn your facts.
Western Buddhism is a joke. Aren't people supposed to make some kind of personal sacrifice as a part of their religion? Like they'll abstain from a certain behaviour, give alms, or fast or something? Not in western Buddhism, they support fags, abortions, you name it. Most are very ignorant of Buddhist scriptures and think they know how to meditate. Ask a western Buddhist "Are you Theravada or Mahayana?" and they will look at you stumped.
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Anonymous2009-10-31 21:53
What do you hate about Western Civilization? That they are greedy, drug using, promiscuous, violent, and ignorant? I'm sorry but that doesn't come from anything Judeo-Christian. That stuff comes from secularism, atheism, and the Devil.
>>12
That would be like asking a christian whether they're Roman or Orthodox. And BTW, your concept of sacrifice is a christian notion. It's clear that you know little about either religion and are just looking for another excuse to vent your frustration and hatred.
>>13
I don't know what's worse, a troll or the kind of person who would actually believe something like that.
I think we were better off as Western Pagans. Read the Iliad sometime, or the Aeneid -- It was a sort of self sacrifice. You were supposed to be virtuous, fight injustice, and take care of your own people. There was no fake "self-sacrifice", which is how I see a lot of Buddhists (at least Western Buddhists) doing. It's all like "Hey, look at how holy I am. I'm a vegan, and I've sheved my head, and I spend hours meditating instead of working!". That's not much of a sacricife when you get to lord it over the rest of us muggles.
I'll take the Stoics any day. It wasn't about not achieving or not doing, it was simply not being owned by your shit. There weren't obvious signs that you were stoic, you just fucking did it. Nobody had to know that you were a Stoic, you didn't shave your head, or wear a funny orange robe or brag about veganism. Meditation isn't even a requirement, let alone an excuse to pretend like you're spiritual becuase you meditate instead of doing something productive for mankind.
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Anonymous2009-11-04 9:12
>>13
You forgot the witches. Let's go burn us some witches, like in the good old days when the Church had real power. That'll learn 'em!
Or those wizards that cut up dead bodies to fin out how the body works, or what killed them. Who needs medical science, right? And as for criminal investigation, let's call in the inquisition! They'll sort that shit out!
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Anonymous2009-11-04 10:54
>>16
No you little shit it is not "Judeo-christian".
You can't even compare them...
Marxism is a concept, set of beliefs related to economics.
Christianity is a religion, religions are by rule concepts in terms of social and personal philosophy.
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Anonymous2009-11-04 11:22
>>19 Marxism derived itself from "Utopian Socialism" which was basically dominionism. First "communists" were actual Christians, then Marx did entryism and expelled them.
Also, a lot of people around Marx were secular Jews who despite their secularity were fully committed to Judeo-Christian ethics.
"The Christian... imagines the better future of the human species... in the image of heavenly joy... We, on the other hand, will have this heaven on earth."
(Quote from A Communist Confession of Faith by Moses Hess)
So saying that Marxism isn't Judeo-Christian is like saying holocaust denial isn't Neo-Nazi... Because context matters.
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Anonymous2009-11-04 12:59
>>20
So if I say "the conditions in concentration camps were due to the chaos of war and their low logistical priority rather than a systematic attempt to exterminate those contained in them" I am immediately a nazi.
>>22 they claim it only for ghettos, not concentration camps, you liberal prick. And to criticize ADL or the state of Israel means being and anti-semite. This has crossed the boundary of hate speech. I can only hope that appropriate authorities will catch on and deprive you of the ability to be such a negative influence toward the society.
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Anonymous2009-11-04 14:51
>>21
And in Canada or the EU, saying such a thing in public makes you a THOUGHTCRIMINAL, subject to REEDUCATION by MINITRU.
OLDTHINKERS UNBELLYFEEL INGSOC. This is why it makes me laugh when Eurofags tell me they're more free than I am. Yeah, they pay 60% of their wages in taxes to fund "free" government-rationed healthcare, they can't own guns, they can't even speculate in public about 20th Century history. But they're FREE, man.
>>23 they claim it only for ghettos, not concentration camps
You have something to cite that supports such a statement?
you liberal prick
That's funny. I don't think I've been called liberal before. I find myself to be more of a libertarian than a liberal. Also, you're a jerkface.
And to criticize ADL or the state of Israel means being and[sic] anti-semite.
So criticism of the actions of a nation warrant the person criticizing being called names such as "antisemite"? Even if beforehand they have no racial bias against people of Jewish decent? That right there is defamation of character. A rather ironic thing, considering that the ADL is an anti-defamation institution.
This has crossed the boundary of hate speech.
I never said anything hateful against Jewish people. Tell me, would you accuse me of being a hate monger if I had said something similar about Armenians? Heh, the ADL won't even honestly and officially recognize their genocide that happened just a generation before!
I can only hope that appropriate authorities will catch on and deprive you of the ability to be such a negative influence toward the society.
Oh good lord. Arrest me for practicing my right to free speech? It would be a truly sad day for the First Amendment and individual liberty if that happens.
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Anonymous2009-11-04 16:33
Christians and Muslims struck gold with their religions because they are designed to control. Eastern Mystic religions aim for the truth. its harder to convince people with truth than it is with deceit unfortunately. -_- err humanity is not too great atm. everything is about money, and you cant capitalize on truth.
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Anonymous2009-11-04 17:08
>>25 Oh good lord. Arrest me for practicing my right to free speech? It would be a truly sad day for the First Amendment and individual liberty if that happens.
Give Obama and his merry crew of goofball-totalitarians a little more time. European style "hate speech" laws: coming soon to a country near YOU, Comrade.
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Anonymous2009-11-04 19:15
>>27
Yeah no kidding. I agree. Especially with all the unconstitutional crap he's been pulling lately, I wouldn't be surprised in the least. Like I said before, it'll be a sad day when that happens.
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Anonymous2009-11-04 19:18
>>26
There's some bad things about religion, I'll agree. But there are some good qualities, like the teachings against usury. I'll bet if we had more people in congress that actually heeded that advice, we wouldn't be getting sucked dry by the banks like we are right now.
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Anonymous2009-11-04 21:35
>>29
there is indeed. but they capitalized on it, that's why it fucked up. eastern religion still haven't suffered that fate, or at least not to the same extend as the 'big 3'.
I understand government is getting bigger, but god damn, no ones gonna take your precious FREEDOMS away. Although I do want to have the ability to say NAZY HITLER in public and not get arrested for it.
If you beat up a faggot and went to jail for it then you deserve it, so don't complain against hate crime laws.
How you took >>23 seriously shows something very unhealthy about American political climate. There are even people claiming that Chomsky is an anti-^Wself-hating Jew because he doesn't support Israel's foreign policy.
>>26 Eastern Mystic religions aim for the truth. religions aim for the truth.
Cool story, bro.
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Anonymous2009-11-05 13:09
>>32
Goddammit. I should have figured it was a troll. Ah well...
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Anonymous2009-11-06 11:45
>>31
Tell it to Comrade Obama, whose party is desperate to create more "hate speech" laws and even has it as a part of their platform.
He just signed a law giving pedophiles special rights and special police protections. That should tell you all you need to know, if being endorsed by NAMBLA and CPUSA didn't tell you already.
Some people are just fucktarded and won't notice it, ever. If Obama was a leftist he'd repeal the Taft-Hartley act as a first thing to do. National health care program? That's pretty centrist shit. Amerikkka doesn't define the political spectrum by itself. Fucktards.
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Anonymous2009-11-06 22:46
>>37 If Obama was a leftist he'd repeal the Taft-Hartley act as a first thing to do.
Or he could just ignore it completely and just call it a "goddamn piece of paper". Bush referred to the Constitution as such. Why should anyone expect anything better from Obama?
That would be because Buddha spent his whole life speaking against organised religion. Now that's how fucking stupid the Chinese are. They just ended up turning his philosophy into organised religion.
>>41
"dat beez racisms, dat beez scriminations" "lawl nazi hurp durp" are pretty much the default arguments of the Left these days, and the argument is reduced to those terms in direct proportion to how afraid they are of the truths under discussion.
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Anonymous2009-11-11 19:09
>>42
Truths? Afraid? Knowledge and courage are what the left is made of. You think the fact that the colleges and universities are "hot beds of liberalism" because of some kind of conspiracy, when it's just because that's just where the smart people are. You somehow reverse the ends of the spectrum making those who resist progress and defend the status quo courageous, and those who fight for progress and face the world as it is, rather than as it was, cowardly. You mock human beings, dare invoke reason, and assert some greater knowledge and wisdom when, in fact, those who make posts like yours usually can't even get the hang of appropriate levels of intimacy in consanguineal relationships, and that pro wrestling is fake. "Hurp durp" indeed.
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Anonymous2009-11-12 9:02
>>43
Why is it that university graduates generally shed their mushy headed utopian idealism after leaving?
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Anonymous2009-11-12 13:57
>>44
The answer lies in the way you framed your question. In using the word "generally" you have implied that a majority of university graduates change their views, and in characterizing all liberalism and progressive thought as "mushy headed utopian idealism" you have clearly illustrated the fact that your mind is more closed than open, and that your intellect, and/or integrity are lacking. A university environment, at least for a short time, demands an open mind, development of the intellect, and integrity to be successful, whereas our current political and economic systems thrive on ignorance and lies. Yet despite the apparent incongruity, secular(as distinguished from the scholarly) society continues to progress. Because most university graduates, even when thrust into a hostile environment, manage to maintain some integrity, remember their ideals, and work toward them. There is a big difference between believing in justice, wanting to feed starving people, care for sick people, and act responsibly with the environment, and "mushy headed utopian idealism".
>>45 A university environment, at least for a short time, demands an open mind, development of the intellect, and integrity to be successful,
WHOOHOO MOTHAFUCKSTAZ! DID YOU SEE THE TITS ON THAT CHI-OMEGA BITCH AT THE KEGGER LAST NIGHT? WE RAN A TRAIN ON HER ASS, WOOHOOHOOHYOOO!
In other words: cool story, bro.
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Anonymous2009-11-14 3:20
>>45
>There is a big difference between believing in justice, wanting to feed starving people, care for sick people, and act responsibly with the environment, and "mushy headed utopian idealism".
There is. Socialism does nothing to feed starving people, care for sick people or act responsibly with the environment. It is a ridiculous mushy headed utopian fantasy that achieves nothing and when people leave university and put their little dogmatic theories to the test they quickly discover that most are impractical and they will have to become far more moderate if they intend to make any real changes.
They may still value ending poverty and so forth, they just go about it in a more practical manner, ie. in a moderate cautious conservative methodical manner.
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Anonymous2009-11-14 3:24
>>45
>whereas our current political and economic systems thrive on ignorance and lies
Meanwhile in Venezuela Chavez fails to provide basic electricity and sanitation, obviously we need a political and economic system like there's since socialists are perfect human beings who are never ignorant and never lie.
>>48
So in response to my having written: There is a big difference between believing in justice, wanting to feed starving people, care for sick people, and act responsibly with the environment, and "mushy headed utopian idealism".
You write: There is. Socialism does nothing to feed starving people, care for sick people or act responsibly with the environment. It is a ridiculous mushy headed utopian fantasy that achieves nothing
You have proved that you are only functionally literate, and incapable of cogent argument. Here's a "pro tip": If a man can't say what he means, he will never be able to mean what he says. Socialism is an inevitable consequence of society, and even in the USA, it's our social/socialist endeavors that satisfy the basic needs of most of the many, many people that the "market" has little or no use for. As for the rest of your nonsense; more pathetic rationalization and hypocrisy.
>>49
A tangential reference and sarcasm is not an argument. I suggest that the next time you want to post, you wait 'till you have something intelligent to say. As it stands you sound like a pouty child.
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Anonymous2009-11-14 18:18
The reason college faggots don't support socialism after they graduate is because under socialism they wouldn't be able to make as much money.
That's THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY THEY GOT FOR PERFORMING AN EASY JOB THAT THEY WERE HIRED FOR BECAUSE THEY WENT THROUGH FOUR HARD YEARS OF COLLEGE THAT THEIR PARENTS PAID FOR.
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Anonymous2009-11-14 21:44
>>50
Wow, just wow. Didn't you get it? Let me break it down for you.
I accept your truism that there is a difference between pragmatic methods of ending poverty and mushy headed utopias, I just believe that socialism is the mushy headed utopia.
I accept your truism that corruption is present in our system, I just reject that being socialist somehow makes you immune to corruption or even less corrupt.
I don't know, there are a hell of a lot less homeless people in countries like Iceland, Norway, Finland, Australia, etc.
So it works some.
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Anonymous2009-11-16 1:42
>>53
There are also a lot less homeless people in Ireland, Denmark and Singapore, applying ockham's razor it seems that well developed democratic low population states have lower rates of poverty. Technically socialism is the public ownership of businesses anyway so any apparent benefits of welfare are not due to socialism.
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Anonymous2009-11-16 18:05
>>53,>>54
And what are the common traits of these societies?
The one that stands out immediately is demographic. They don't have significant numbers of niggers.
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Anonymous2009-11-16 18:10
There are plenty of niggers in Cuba but there are no hobos either.
Leave God alone. There's much better ways to evaluate a civilisation. Besides, the West has acheived great, great things (if via the exploitation of everyone else, but it's been worth it to my mind... Africa is actually worse *after* decolonisation)
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Anonymous2009-12-03 4:36
>>67
Cause and effect. Whites exploited everyone because they could, not because they were the only ones willing to do so. They could because of their great achievements.
protip, buddy: You can't simply study statistics and figure out how people work. That's why socialism and communism are BULLSHIT. The idea sounds perfect on paper. Just let the government run everything so that no one starves and everything runs eficiently. What this approach leaves out is that power always breeds curruption, and that people are not gonna work their asses off if they get nothing more for their efforts.
Occasionally, we need to regulate, but you can't act mushy headed and expect people to suddenly act like carpenter ants. It just won't happen.
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Anonymous2009-12-30 10:58
The worship of one-singular god is at it's root, the worship of the one singular individual. This is why the concept of individualism is so deeply rooted in Western Culture (Though often poorly executed).
Comparatively, Eastern religious systems focus on the entirety, the community or the whole. This is why culturally, the east focuses on the communistic.
One or the other- objectively- considering immorality and corruption is widespread in both societies isn't better or worse.
You can't simply study statistics and figure out how people work.
Who mentioned the study of statistics? power always breeds curruption
since you accept the use of absolute statements, here's one for you that I suspect that you will find as unbelievable as I find yours; I am incorruptible.
And nobody wants people to act like "carpenter ants". Except of course for villains.
>>73 >>74
Wow, what an inferior culture. No wonder they never progressed beyond hieroglyphs, discovered the new world or underwent a scientific and industrial revolution. I kind of understand Mao's murderous cultural revolution and the Japanese obsession with conquering them now.
>>75 discovered the new world http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1421_Hypothesis Chinese may have landed and mapped out the western hemisphere before Columbus' voyage. This certainly is a possibility since they were seafaring people.
I hope you didn't come to that conclusion from just reading those two sources. If so, that's woefully ignorant of you. And I can't believe you see Mao's murderous cultural revolution as justified! He killed over 70 million of his people!
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Anonymous2009-12-31 18:29
>>76 And I can't believe you see Mao's murderous cultural revolution as justified! He killed over 70 million of his people!
For the record nowhere near 70 million people were killed during the cultural revolution, and the 70 million figure is the most liberal estimate for the entire revolution from '49 onward, the greatest loss of life occurring during the "great leap forward". In his defense, Mao almost singlehandedly forged China into the modern western style nation that is about to achieve global preeminence.
>>77
Japan was able to do the same without anywhere near as much bloodshed. And they were the only nation to suffer not one, but two nuclear bombings. China could have very well developed into a modern western style nation without the death and tyranny that Mao brought. There's no justification for it.
For more good facts about the hollohoax watch David Cole talking to Ernst Zundel. Watch the whole Zundel Case in Canada
But please just believe you're right forever without looking at facts provided.
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Anonymous2010-01-11 11:20
>>79
If you don't believe that China has built a modern western style nation, then why are you giving them so much of your modern western style money in exchange for modern western style goods. Have you even ever been there? Can you even really be sure it exists, or are you just making judgments based on the information prepared for you, and delivered to you on your imported tv.
Make intelligent posts or STFU, you ignorant little bitch.