European Union = Next United States?

After checking out this Libson treaty, it seems like the EU is going to become one major country. Their form of government seems to be a bit similar to the American government. Probably not that close since our US government is fucking weird, but close enough.

Ireland just passed their support for the treaty. What does Europe becoming on country mean for the rest of the world?

It means they'll bicker even more than they do already, the federal government will be as corrupt as the UN, they'll employ protectionism to increase the profit of particular parts of the union...

It's just not a workable solution. Hell, the USA are barely holding together right now. Ditto for Canada.

>>2
I completely agree. It just doesn't work. And the US Federal Government and states were mainly suppose to work independently of each other in most cases. People have largely forgot the ideas from the Founding Fathers and now it's just one big mess.

Regardless of geographic location, local issues require government on a local level. The more you move away from that, the more things become problematic and inefficient.

>>3
I know the framers of the constitution (the founding fathers had no input on the government system) didn't think the national gov. would get to powerful, but thats just how it works. It just can't be balanced evenly, no matter how logically you think. The main government is always going to overrule the smaller one.

American government is only a mess because we break into only fucking two political parties. There are so many more in Europe so they have a better chance of being a total federal government than we do.

>>4

That's not quite a perfect solution, either.

Canada is currently stuck in what seems to be a never ending minority government.

Nothing gets done!

Have you read the 10th Amendment?

>The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Seems to me they made it pretty fucking clear.

World government isn't inherantly evil. All these nationalists needs to start arguing "we just want to make sure it's done properly" instead of "HURF DURF CONSPIRACY".

>>6

A world government that wants to disarm all its "citizens" IS inherently evil, though.

Single State Europe will never happen.

There is too much grass roots opposition to it.  Apart form Ireland no other nation has dared give its electorate a referendum, they know we would all vote No.

>>8
People never thought a European Union would happen, yet here we are now. A Constitution for Europe was proposed, as well as the Lisbon treaty. There may be grass roots efforts, but Euroscepticism is dwindling amongst the majority of the population in Europe.

The individual countries of Europe are now starting to be looked upon as mere states or regions rather than sovereign nations. It's not anywhere near completion yet, however give time (maybe a decade or two, or even sooner) Europe will become a united nation of individual states.

also...

JEWS

I want the U.S. and Canada to become North American Union before EU is one.

>>11

The Union would also contain Mexico.

I, personally, want none of it. Canadians will gain little to nothing and lose our great natural resources.

>>12
Canadians will gain nothing...You are a fucktard.

And I would never want Mexico in that union. They will bring nothing to the table.

>>13

What would Canadians stand to gain?

And the union has been in the works for ages. Mexico would be in it. I didn't just pull that out of my ass.

>>14
Alaska, they have been eyeing it covetously like a rapist ever since their borders arrived at it.

All Canada would gain is a red white and blue dildo up their ass.

>>16
There wasn't one already?

>>14
The Canadians would gain being part of the American Empire. What the fuck did you expect?

>>6
Unless you have weaponry to fight back, you don't have a say in anything.

World government is inherently evil.  It would be a perpetual puppet show between 3 parties while the goldsmiths continue to charge interest on money that doesn't exist.

>>18
Canadians would gain

I get to be 7 Trillion dollars in debt too? Fuck that.  I don't like even being in the same country as Quebec.

>>19
Well support a world government that permits private banks to print their own currency then. Don't discard world government just because of some mischievous kikes.

>>20
Why would there even be a need for world government? Just have nations trade with other nations and be friends with other nations. If the United States started on this kind of foreign policy, the rest of the world would follow and realize that it would be a better way.

>>21
So in other words world government in all but name.

>>22
No, there wouldn't be any governance on a world wide scale. Just friendly trade and negotiations; and no outsourcing and/or other immoral globalization going on. I also support U.S. withdrawal from the United Nations, NATO, and other entangling alliances.

>>23

The UN is such bullshit. All they do is push their civil disarmament agenda while pretending to help third world countries.

The fact that my homeland, Canada, is now known as a "UN Peacekeeping force", drowning out all the military accomplishments before that, angers me more than a little. Fuck the UN and fuck the "liberal" part of Canada.

>>24
Sir, I wholeheartedly agree.

>>24

Party*

Blarg. Saying "part" makes it sound like I'm singling out provinces. While the concentration of "liberals" in the eastern provinces is greater, they are not without TRUE liberals.

The LPC is liberal in name only. Fucking statist bastards.

>>23
>Just friendly trade and negotiations
Like the government aids in negotiations between individuals? So essentially a world government.

>no outsourcing and/or other immoral globalization
What's your reasoning for this? Outsourcing provides jobs for impoverished 3rd worlders and means companies can provide their goods and services cheaper, why should everyone pay more just so the jobs go to those unwilling to compete? This is the equivalent of saying "we antarcticans don't want to lose our orange industry, it costs millions just to heat the giant greenhouses we have constructed and the end product costs $50 but it's better than losing our businesses to 5 cent oranges from South Africa".

The idea behind the EU was to create a Euro-negro-arab-turk-china race. And to "replace the diversity of culture and race with the diversity of individuals".
This is probaly why the EU today forces nations to accept nigger and middle-eastern "refugees".

"The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals."

- Count Richard Nikolaus von Coudenhove-Kalergi, one of the most important people behind the european union.

>>29

Bullshit.

If you have 80% of the population being very similar, they'll become more susceptible to disease.

It's nothing but a pipe dream.

Genetic diversity is the key to evolution and survival itself.

>>27
Like the government aids in negotiations between individuals?
No. I actually would want government out of that picture completely. What I mean by "friendly trade" and "negotiations" is individuals from one nation do business and trade with individuals from another with no government intervention. The only reason I would see for governments to have talks with one another is to "undo the damage" from the uncertain hostility and atmosphere of current foreign policy.

I agree and advocate with what Thomas Jefferson said in his first inaugural address "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations--entangling alliances with none".

What's your reasoning for this? Outsourcing provides jobs for impoverished 3rd worlders and means companies can provide their goods and services cheaper, why should everyone pay more just so the jobs go to those unwilling to compete?

That's a good question. See the issue is, people do want to compete. Competition drives prices down and it's always better for the people who buy. Research & Development brings new and wonderful technologies to the forefront. The problem is you have government; and way too much over regulation for the smaller companies that want to compete, and the big guys don't want to compete because they can go to the government and say they want another bailout check. Whereas had they not have had support, they would be forced to compete or sink. The wealth of the nation is being grinded down to a fine powder and what is left is then sprinkled tiny bits that the people that outsourcing supposedly helps, does more or less quite the opposite.

This also ties in with legislation and trade agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA and fractional reserve banking and devaluation of the dollar; that has a big effect on businesses and economics, but those are another topic altogether (especially fractional reserve banking).

As for helping impoverished third worlders, using China as a good example, those people who work at the assembly lines and factories making those goods that are later exported and sold get a very, very, little piece of the pie. Much of that revenue goes to the Chinese government and officials since the state still had very much control over commerce. China is not a 100% true communist country, but it still carries many features of communism; mostly socially, and some economically. So, yes these people are working and have jobs, but their labor actually supports their own oppression.

>>30
That's just not true, race mixing often leads to weaker immune systems.

>>32
You have something scientific to cite that support that claim?

>>33
Well, when widely seperate groups like that mix alot of very healthy reccessive genes burn.
Certain ethnic groups all have the same reccessive gene that are very often very healthy(northern europeans have natural resistance to aids for example), when then other groups mix into it they often successfully eradicate those genes.

>>34
So you have no sort of scientific data or a report or something similar to back up these claims. Just more ugly collectivist (racist) rhetoric.

Well, good day then.

>>35
That's not rhetoric you retard, it's a fact. Look it up yourself.

>>35
Just answer this question.
Why should ANYONE EVER recieve genes from people whose societies, neighbourhoods and countries are complete failures?

>>35
I learnt this shit in middle school.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recessive

You are a disgrace to the anti-racist movement, if you set out to disprove racism you have failed miserably and only reinforced the belief that you and everyone like you who knee-jerks uncontrollably and gets hysterical over the racism issue instead of thinking it through is an idiot.

>>36
It is when you have no scientific journal or study that is unbiased, peer-reviewed, and non-partisan. You're projecting your own opinion as fact.

it's a fact. Look it up yourself.

Burden of proof is on you. You're the one spouting off that your opinion is fact, without any supporting evidence.

(northern europeans[sic] have natural resistance to aids[sic] for example)

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

>>37
Even more rhetoric just like >>34 posted. Prove to me with an unbiased, peer-reviewed scientific study or journal that  these people and their societies are complete failures because of their genetics. And not something that someone like David Duke made over a boring weekend.

>>38
It's not hysteria, it's called common sense. That Wikipedia article doesn't say anything of the relation of race to the dominant and recessive genetic diseases in humans. And that's what >>34,36-37 are trying to "prove" and failing to do so.

The Federal government of the United States works for America because the majority of states joined after the union was formed. Almost all of our states were never independent countries before joining the union, and those that were, weren't for long.

Whereas it is very different in Europe. European sovereign nations have existed for a very very long time as sovereign nations with their very own languages and cultures. Many of them have hated each others' guts and warred with each other for hundreds of years.

The American union and the European Union are two very different animals.

The United States was born a union. The "United States of Europe" is barely managing to create a federal government just now and European countries have been sovereign for so long that they are VERY unwilling to turn over their sovereignty to a European federal government.

I don't think European Union will become a true unified federal government the way that the US is in the near future because each individual state has been sovereign for so long. It will take many years, even a hundred years before Europe gets to the point where they are willing to give up their sovereignty in the name of a federal Europe.

>>39
>>38 here, if you understand their argument why are you putting across the impression you are dismissing them off hand? I've never understood this bullshit egotistical attitude leftists have, I've often heard them say "we don't want to give them credibility" but this strategy backfires when they start acting like insular extremists themselves afraid of even responding to simple questions and trying to censor everything.

>>41
I'm not. They're welcome to provide any substantial and creditable evidence supporting their claims.

>>39
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/09/romans-and-aids-resistance.html
Here!

>>29

So what.

The Euro-races just plain suck and they dont even exist to begin with, so lets obliterate them just in case.

http://balder.org/zed/couen

JEW POWER MASSADA2000 ZOMG

BTW, what three things both Trotsky & Ayn Rand had in common?
I'll post tits if u figure it out.
Don't disappoint me /pol/

What do you mean by "Next United States"?  The EU is just another attempt to create a massive trading block whose goal is global economic domination.  The United States, though it's failing, was intended to be something greater.

>>45
The US was NEVER meant to be anything other than a simple union of states. The founders just envisioned a simple isolationist, agricultural nation. The US was not founded with purpose of trade or economic domination, much less territorial domination.

Those things came afterwards and even still today, Americans don't have any appetite for white elephants. We get rid of foreign territory as soon as possible. Cuba, we threw that shit back. Philippines, nobody wanted that shit gave it back as soon as WW2 ended. Puerto Rico we haven't been able to grant independence because they like the status quo and they never vote for Independence or statehood. In fact, they are absolutely no trouble at all, for us or for themselves.

Continental US is another animal altogether. Colonists were always moving west even before independence. It was only a matter of time.

>>44
^* /newpol/

>>44
You do realise that the car you drive, the computer you use, the house you live in all where created by the "sucky euro-races".
I cannot think of any other two words to describe you other than "Worthless faggot".

>>44
So they don't exist and they suck? How can something who doesn't exist suck? Something "sucking" implies it being something negative, if something does not exist you cannot apply any adjectives to it because it's impossible to know whether it's positive or negative/beautiful or ugly etc because it doesn't exist.

Basic logic is probably way above your head. But i am guessing you mean by "races(the european one) don't exist" that old marxist dogmatic theory that race and culture is a social construct, it may be that culture is a social construct. Nobody who has ever been taken seriously can deny that there are differences between people in different areas of the world. What however is interesting is how you explain these differences, Marxism/Liberals (in the modern sense) and other anti-intellectual movements try to explain it by that fact that the culture in different areas is different and that therefore people are different. The culture creates people is the agenda, these people have however never answered the question; "If culture creates men, what then created culture?". At least not satisfyingly, Christian leftists argue that SATAN created different cultures to divide mankind and to distract them from their true goal of love for christ the saviour, marxists argue that different cultures where created by CAPITALISTS in order to maximise their profits.
Both of these explanations leave a lot to be desired in terms of logic.

I don't think i even have to explain the christian answer's logical fallacies, but the marxist answer is disapproved in the fact that different cultures existed even before anything even resembling capitalism existed.

>>42
By proving that their opponents don't even have knowledge of middle school level biology?

Seriously, I learnt about recessive genes in middle school.

Middle school.

I was 12.

If you think asking to be taught something you should have learned when you were 12 is a compelling argument you would do the anti-racist movement a favor by shutting the fuck up.

>>50
There are no intelligent "anti-racists", as i said before; anti-racism is an anti-intellectual movement.

>>50
Who cares that you learned in middle school? Fine, good, you learned it then; give yourself a nice pat on the back for me! I said that I was willing to look more into it. I thank >>43 for providing the link and I'll take it from there.

>>51
I never explicitly said that I was anti-racist. In fact, I feel as though the current anti-racist trend is ironically racist in and of itself. Whites are experiencing "reverse racism" by groups that are given things like entitlements and special privileges. Both things actually cause more problems than they solve, and it is in reality detrimental to freedom and individual liberty. It, in effect, is disastrous to both parties.

The only way that racism will ever be completely eradicated is if people stop thinking in groups collectively; and said groups are no longer treated special. I have some hope, but I don't think that something like this will happen anytime soon.

>>52
I learned about it in middle school to, i am guessing you are a nigger and was out smoking crack when you should have been learning in school.

The problem with ACTUAL equality is that niggers and spics come out on the bottom of it, because they simply aren't equal in terms of intelligence.
We have had actual equality, the only problem with it was that as i just said niggers still did not want and could not get and keep jobs. After this the civil rights shitheads started making absurd claims that Jamal who just finished the evenings second whisky bottle and had 10 kids from different mothers who he never raised actually was being discriminated against and therefore could not get a job. The same moronic shit we see today. Civil rights was a failure, niggers are not equals. Even Abraham Lincon agrees with me.

>>53
I learned about it in middle school to[sic], i am guessing you are a nigger and was out smoking crack when you should have been learning in school.

No, I am White. So your guess is wrong.

The problem with ACTUAL equality is that niggers and spics come out on the bottom of it, because they simply aren't equal in terms of intelligence.

I can't say about that. I have met some Hispanic and African descended people that excelled in mathematics, science, English, ect. This is anecdotal, though, so I really can't say.

We have had actual equality, the only problem with it was that as i just said niggers still did not want and could not get and keep jobs.

I think that welfare blows this problem much out of proportion than it should be. And it promotes failure as something good, regardless of race. I find that to not only be terrible, but also a catalyst in fueling even more racism. I support the small government idea that welfare should be eliminated.

After this the civil rights shitheads started making absurd claims that Jamal who just finished the evenings second whisky bottle and had 10 kids from different mothers who he never raised actually was being discriminated against and therefore could not get a job.

Like I said, welfare promotes this behavior. It just makes people have kid after kid after kid just to collect a check from the government. It's immoral, it's unconstitutional, and it's detrimental to freedom and individual liberty for everybody regardless of their race.

The same moronic shit we see today. Civil rights was a failure, niggers are not equals. Even Abraham Lincon agrees with me.

I don't know about that.

lol racism

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."
- Abraham Lincon.

>>39

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

Not anyone else in the thread, but you are an uneducated imbecile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCR5#CCR5-.CE.9432

CCR5-Δ32 (or CCR5-D32 or CCR5 delta 32) is a genetic variant of CCR5.[6][7]

CCR5-Δ32 is a deletion mutation of a gene that has a specific impact on the function of T cells. CCR5-Δ32 is widely dispersed throughout Northern Europe and in those of Northern European descent. It has been hypothesized that this allele was favored by natural selection during the Black Death. This coalescence date is contradicted by purported evidence of CCR5-Δ32 in Bronze Age samples, at levels comparable to the modern European population.[8] Research from The University of California at Berkeley published in 2003 indicates that smallpox may be another candidate for the high level of the mutation in the European population.[6]

The allele has a negative effect upon T cell function, but appears to protect against smallpox and HIV. Yersinia pestis was demonstrated in the laboratory to not associate with CCR5. Individuals with the Δ32 allele of CCR5 are healthy, suggesting that CCR5 is largely dispensable. However, CCR5 apparently plays a role in mediating resistance to West Nile virus infection in humans, as CCR5-Δ32 individuals have shown to be disproportionately at higher risk of West Nile virus in studies,[9] indicating that not all of the functions of CCR5 may be compensated by other receptors.

While CCR5 has multiple variants in its coding region, the deletion of a 32-bp segment results in a nonfunctional receptor, thus preventing HIV R5 entry; two copies of this allele provide strong protection against HIV infection.[10] This allele is found in 5-14% of Europeans but is rare in Africans and Asians.[11] Multiple studies of HIV-infected persons have shown that presence of one copy of this allele delays progression to the condition of AIDS by about 2 years. CCR5-Δ32 decreases the number of CCR5 proteins on the outside of the CD4 cell, which can have a large effect on the HIV disease progression rates. It is possible that a person with the CCR5-Δ32 receptor allele will not be infected with HIV R5 strains. Several commercial testing companies offer tests for CCR5-Δ32.

In 2008, German doctors announced that an HIV-infected leukemia patient had received a bone marrow transplant from a donor who is homozygous for the CCR5-Δ32 trait. After 600 days, the patient was healthy and had undetectable levels of HIV in the blood and in examined brain and rectal tissues.[12][13] Before the transplant, low levels of HIV X4, which does not use the CCR5 receptor, were also detected. Following the transplant, however, this type of HIV was not detected either, further baffling doctors.[14]

>>52

Whites are experiencing "reverse racism"
That's liek saying:
The Bourgeoise is experiencing "reverse exploitation"

Learn2 Cultural Marx-ism

MORAN

>>58

reverse exploitation
AKA - The Dictatorship Of The Proletariat:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat

Don't panic; it's supposed to be temporary.
Or so they say...

>>58

Bourgeoise

Sorry. I meant BOURGEOISIE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourgeoisie
Excuse my french.