I'm listening to some bitch on the RNC talk about Palin saying no to the "good ole boys" and only a "mother of 5 could know".

oh, and she's spouting off about how they "will show the boys what girls can really do!"

Oh god, now she's talking about Nascar and "gun toting". I wish I were making this up.

Point is, why is it bad now to be part of washington or to have experience? I'll be honest, I don't know much about politics, I watched cause of all the hype (Obamas black, Hillarys a girl). From what I've seen, every fucking politician is wearing Nascar hats and trying to make themselves look like they're "one of the good ole boys from Kansas" and going to Nascar rallies, etc. Don't we want government to be run by intelligent, well studied people? Not "JIMMY BOB FROM THE BAR". It's getting me pissed.

All of a sudden, Obamas bad cause people like him and he travels around the world. Why do Americans love having rednecks with funny trucker hats as president? It's all fucking talk.

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You got the wrong topic dude

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don't worry

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Because all people of all political leanings have seen people promise them what they want, and then not deliver.  Irregardless of whether the politician didn't try or couldn't manage, people take this as a failure.  And every current and former Washington Whatever has failed at one point or another, so people who have HOPE CHANGE HOPE think that some nobody will deliver the promises everyone else fails to.

Of course, there is the fact that Legislative experience doesn't actually prepare one for an executive position, no matter how much you have of it.

Another reason is that people see Washington politics as something dirty, because in large part they are.  So they want to send in some shining soul who will clean it up.  The problem then is that you take a mop and stick it in a bucket of mud, you end up with a bucket of mud and dirty mop, not a shining glorious mop and a bucket of pure clean water.

That is why intelligent folks put an experienced name on the ticket, and then the clean name they intend to groom for future use, as a back up.  That way the old mop gets dirty, and the new mop learns how to get what they want from the mud.

Because the old mop gets thrown away after two cycles max.

With Palin, though, she managed to fight and win against a political machine very similar to the one that keeps mayor Daily   in power in Chicago, or that produced FDR, and then she did do an OK job of cleaning house once she got to the top.  Unfortunately that means she is a little soiled, but such things are relative. 

Obama on the other hand, was the product of the same political machine as Daily, and unfortunately will probably know how to get what he wants, for his good, from the mud, but won't deliver half of what he promises.

So the question boils down to, what promises do you want broken, and how likely is it that the party that you vote for will deliver the promises you want.

Obama already reneged a campaign promise, the promise that he would vote against the bill that gave the Telecoms immunity.  What does this tell you about a politicians fortitude, and what does it tell you about a campaign?

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YEAH VOTE MCAIN PALIN

SERVIICE
COUNTRY FIRST

THAT STATE TROOPER SHIT IS MEDIA LIES
CANT TAKE CARE OF WHORE DAUGHTER

Washington D.C. sucks shit.

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Vote for a Freshman Senator who promises change, standing on the back of one of the most entrenched political machines in the country!  They only gave him his seat, he doesn't represent their stagnation at all!

His running mate is far more experienced, and known for enforcing the status quo!

He is the CHANGE ticket!

We don't tell you what we think, except that we want to do all these expensive things!  But don't worry, it will be your free lunch!  The Media praises us, and ignores the other guy, except when they put him down!   They talk about us twice as much!  But don't worry, they are impartial!

McCain is a beast. The polls are back to neck and neck now.

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>standing on the back of one of the most entrenched political machines in the country!

Meaningless statement is meaningless. Are you trying to imply the Democrats are any more entrenched than the Republicans? You're delusional. Stop repeating meaningless phrases you heard McCain say. It's an empty statement that only sounds bad but when you think about it has no actual content, like all of McCain's campaign.

>>no actual content, like all of McCain's campaign

Are you sure you haven't got the candidates mixed up?

"YES WE CAN! WOO WOO! ALL FIRED UP! WOO WOO! WE CAN CHANGE AMURRICA!  WOO WOO" <-- copy and paste and repeat over and over for eighteen months, this is Obama's entire platform

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Not a political party, moron, a political MACHINE.  The Chicago Democrats, and their cronies, control all the papers and TV stations, and have large enough majorities in all the relevant bodies that they are not only able to control which issues are viewed as important by the average plebe in Chicago, but are also able to, by and large, control the facts that constrain their lives.  And it has been this way for 60 years.

You vote after you die, you might be registered and not even know it, poll counts by third party orgs almost never match up with ballot counts the night after, and no one that isn't in the club ever gets anywhere.

Obama's community action group was just another arm of the Chi-town Machine, designed to groom him for later public office.

FDR gained the presidency after running a similar machine in New York, in the late '20s.

Palin fought and beat a similar Republican machine in Alaska, when she ran for governor.

So make your choice, the product of the machine, or someone who fought one?  Remember that FDR ran rampant over the rights of Americans, greatly expanding the power of the federal government, and EXTENDED the natural life of the Great Depression.

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You realize Chicago politics are run by Republicans, right?

And as for fought the machine, that's exactly what Obama did when he pushed through his bill to require all police interrogations to be taped. He pushed it through even though it was opposed by the Republican majority in the legislature and the Republican governor threatened to veto it if it went through. Obama sat down with all of them and made it work. He fought the Republican entrenched machine and he won.

And now he's fighting the entrenched Bush/Rove/McCain machine for control of the White House and he will win again.

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Just because you're too lazy to learn about Obama's detailed plans and platform, doesn't mean he doesn't have one. Go to his website. Read the hundreds of pages he has on policy, in detail on every issue. Or just keep spouting the talking points McCain works into every vacuous speech he grinds through. Just because McCain calls you his friend doesn't mean he likes you or has your best interest in mind. He only cares about getting elected at the expense of America. And to do that he will lie and distort everything Obama has worked for.

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Chicago, run by Republicans?  OH LAWD!

As an aside, I just realised that I have been spelling Mayor Daley's name wrong.  Oops.

The mayor of Chicago is a Democrat, almost all of the Aldermen are Democrats, ALL but ONE of their representatives to the state house are Democrats, ALL of their state senators are Democrats (that is 100%, for you poor dumb tax and spend socialists), AND all of their US representatives are Democrats.

As for Illinois itself, the Governor is a Democrat, both their senators are Democrats, and 11 of their 19 US Representatives are Democrats.

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Sure are run by Republicans, Ayup.

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Illinois has traditionally been run by Republicans. Beginning around 2003 the people started booting the old corrupt Republicans and replacing them with Democrats. As it stands now:

State Senate:
Democratic Party 37
Republican Party 22

House:
Democratic Party 67
Republican Party 51

Before the current governor, the previous 3 were all Republicans.

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Greater Illionois is traditionally conservative, yes, but Chicago has been a Democratic breeding ground since 1931.

The previous 11 consecutive mayors have ALL been Democrats.

ELEVEN CONSECUTIVE DEMOCRATIC MAYORS.

How is that not Dominated by Democrats?

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You're using Earth logic.  That won't fly around here.  AMURRICA IS DOMINATED BY THE REPUBLIFAGS!!!!1  THEY ARE JUST LIKE TEH NAZIS AND TEHY WANT TO KILL US ALL!!!11  O NOES THEY ARE OUT TO GET US!!!!!!1

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I hate politics, but they influence so much you just can't ignore them.  I wish it would all just go away.

I don't want to vote for a republican, because they have decided that trading freedom for safety is pretty cool, so long as you say you are still free, and the Dems have openly said they want to trade freedom for safety, so I can't go there (Obama lost my vote when he picked Biden, talk about a "Business as Usual" candidate).

Where, oh where, is my Barry Goldwater?

That is what I want, a fiscally conservative president who is strong on defense, and not afraid to use the Veto, and an opposition party controlled congress (controlled by a thin margin, mind you).  That would make me happy, but it just ain't gonna happen.

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Seriously?  I know this is 4chan and everything is FOR TEH LULZ here, but seriously, I'm with you.  But Barry Goldwater is dead.

Decent folk don't go into politics any more.  Anyone involved with any party, these days, is ipso facto unfit to hold any office.

I don't know what to tell you.

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Skeletal Remains of Goldwater/Vetobot 4000 in 2012!