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The Best Economic and Political System

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-10 20:16

Discuss

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-10 20:20

tribal theocracy

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-10 20:22

>>2

Today is not opposite day. >:-<

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-10 20:27

>>3
how about you give something that can be measured instead of "good" and "bad", faggot?

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-10 20:28

>>4

K, what about a social democracy?

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-10 20:34

>>5
what the fuck are you talking about?

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-10 21:11

>>6

Learn to wiki

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-10 21:25

>>7
dumbass

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-10 21:25

>>2
>>3
haha
>>4
I think that's for you to decide.
>>5
Not enough economic freedom, also it would be full of libfags. There are other ways to end poverty than obsessing over equality.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-10 21:36

>>9

I'm listening.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-10 21:37

>>9
I think that's for you to decide.
no, that's for the OP to decide
however, he's too dumb to understand what i asked from him
i'll try to say it in even more simple way:
THE WORD "BEST" HAS NO FUCKING MEANING HERE
SOME PEOPLE WANT A WORLD WITHOUT NIGGERS AND JEWS WHILE OTHERS WANT FREE LOLI RAPE FOR EVERYONE
SINCE YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE "BEST" YOU HAVE TO TELL US WHAT MAKES x BETTER THAN y
GDP? MILITARY POWER? THE AMOUNT OF GENERAL FAGGOTRY?

NIGGER

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-11 0:16

>>11

OMFG You're so retarded I can't even sit down to shit without thinking of the stuff coming out of your mouth. How about the fairest and most progressive political and economic systems?

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-11 5:30

>>5
Social democracy fails because it is a half-assed measure that doesn't do anything properly. Both socialists and retarded reactionaries hate it together. It is a pseudohumanitarian system which in reality doesn't change anything because it still relies in the centuries old fail economic system with elements to keep plebians from revolting and making rich kids not feel guilty, but it isn't the way to build a progressive society.

>>9
Typical American idiot.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-11 6:54

>>12
How about the fairest and most progressive political and economic systems?
yet again you're using words without meaning
lrn2philosophy dumbass teenager

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-13 10:38

>>13
The fact that you lump all political philosophies that ≠  socialism as "reactionary" and declare them all to be retarded suggests you are not as intelligent as me.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-13 14:10

>>15
The fact that you understood that from that post proves you are not at all intelligent, let alone being as intelligent as me. People having functional nervous systems saw the reactionaries and socialists at two ends of the spectrum, but that certainly exceeded your meager mental capabilities, butthurt retard who is clearly libertarian.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-14 0:08

>>16

fag

enjoy your little boys and non-paid tax cuts in hell

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-14 4:48

>>16
You don't see the world as "us and them" but "socialists and reactionaries" and I am very foolish not to notice that this is true and not in any way related to an "us and them" mentality. Also here is a quote from a random article.


http://www.lairdwilcox.com/news/hoaxerproject.html

"7. MANICHAEAN WORLDVIEW.
Extremists have a tendency to see the world in terms of absolutes of good and evil, for them or against them, with no middle ground or intermediate positions. All issues are ultimately moral issues of right and wrong, with the "right" position coinciding with their interests. Their slogan is often "those who are not with me are against me.""

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-14 6:21

>>18
Thanks for proving your retardation yet once again (though it had gotten redundant long ago, pretty much anyone who ever visited this board knows there is a drooling moron crying "bush is soshalist libertaryanism derp derp"), firstly by not understanding the post, then not understanding a post which explained the inital post, and the by posting something irrelevant which made a hilarious allusion to your LIBERTARYAN or SOSHALIST crying. I wonder how it would feel like, being a retard with only a binary value for "worldview".

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-15 11:39

>>19
Don't kid yourself, no one cares about our little arguments, no matter how many derps, cry harders, LIBERTARYANs or SOSHALISTs you manage to fit into your tomes of attempted trolls.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-15 14:08

>>20
In after an extreme case of irony. Come back when you can actually think rather than formulate random strings of ignorant crying. Sorry to make you this butthurt, but someone needed to show you how pathetic you were.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-15 14:23

>>21
You're not even saying anything now, I know you read that I was the only one able to admit that we are the only 2 people who care about this argument so I'll leave it at that.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-15 15:28

>>22
Too bad you aren't able to admit you are a pathetic moron with no knowledge and low intelligence, so that you believe in ridiculous theories.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 14:08

>>22
I've had discussions with the moron you're arguing with before, and he just insults and uses immature language instead of making points to retort with. It's best to just leave him because he never ever gives up, it's like he has to save face on an anonymous board for some reason.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 14:34

>>23
>>24
>he just insults and uses immature language instead of making points to retort with
um... you do that

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 14:34

>>24
>>25 here, disregard that, cocks etc..

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 14:45

>>24
If by discussions you mean you made ridiculous claims, ranging from showing how you didn't know anything about economics to your opus magnum claiming bush was socialist. All of your retarded claims were summarily disproven, yet you still repeated the same crap, like a retard. Then, you cried about IMMATURE LANWAG!!! HE'S HURTIN MAH FEELINGS!!!!

Also, enjoy your irony in the portion about 'never giving up'. I've never met another retard who could defy logic, reason and facts for so long, repeating retardation like a broken record.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 15:08

>>27
It's magnum opus, and that in itself is both inappropriate and hyperbole given the context.

Also, your mother.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 15:14

>>28
WE HAVE A WINRAR

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 18:35

>>28
>It's magnum opus
no

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 20:11

>>30
Ya it is, I looked in my dictionary to double check it. A quick google search also reveals that Opus Magnum seems to refer most predominantly to a range of furniture :3

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-16 21:12

>>31
Enjoy your failure at Latin. Both are correct in most contexts, including this one.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-17 9:49

>>32
then y u get angry? we're both right and that makes me happy; we should hug :)

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-17 9:59

>>33
No, we aren't both right, both forms are right - you are wrong because you claimed that the usage "opus magnum" was wrong in >>28, while it isn't.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-17 13:43

Best political system = A fluid tapestry of local governments and 1 central government, all of which follow the constitution word for word.

Every citizen gets a vote for local government and a vote for central government. The central government serves as an official bureaucracy for the democratic process, decides how much tax is levied to support the military and to ensure that local governments follow the constitution, local governments decide amongst themselves which laws they share. Local governments obey the constitution word for word and can split into another local government or merge with another consenting local government as part of a party's manifesto.

Best economic system = completely unfettered laissez faire capitalism. Only state intervention is in the form of law enforcement, property rights and enforcing legitimate business arrangements, all except those related to maintaining the social contract have to be paid for.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-17 16:58

>>35

Interesting. But how would one prevent market crashes? Also, with such a fluid political system. How does one prevent civil war? Too much freedom can be a bad thing.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-17 17:12

Even though I hate the current system, at least it isn't some monstrosity based on wishful thinking and overall ignorance. May Wotan protect us from people like >>35

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-17 18:03

>>36
I'm not >>35 but what the hell.
My answer to your first question would be increasing flexibility in education and labour regulations. It's not going to prevent market crashes but improves response time and allows fast recovery. The philosophical foundation doesn't see market crashes as something to be avoided and completely rejects the idea of market failure.
Your second question applies to all systems of governments. Usurpers cannot be stopped by any political philosophy simply due to the nature of usurpation. However, I might have another source of civil war in mind like some hooligans trash a pub in another state/town which leads to retaliation and so on -> give a concrete example please.
Lastly, I'd change "can be a bad thing" to "can be dangerous". At any rate, it requires a much deeper expedition into liberal/libertarian philosophy than I care to go on the intertubes.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-17 18:06

However, YOU might have another
fix'd
Any other errors you find fix them yourself.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-17 21:36

>>38

Concrete example -> American Civil War

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-18 7:28

>>40
Belongs to usurpation and can happen to any system.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-18 7:29

>>41
facepalm.png

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-18 11:53

>>36
>But how would one prevent market crashes?
That's thing, you can't stop market crashes so anyone claiming they can is either god, lying or stupid. Demand management, as it is called, does not distinguish between those who research their investments and those who just trade on a whim, neither does it distinguish between the different growth rates of different sectors of the economy. I prefer a system where the banks print currency and decide interest rates and suffer when they make a mistakes rather than the entire country sufferring for the mistakes of some bureaucrats who will probably never hear a word of discontent about their actions.

>Also, with such a fluid political system. How does one prevent civil war?
The military is under the control of the central government.

>Too much freedom can be a bad thing.
That's illogical because if you could achieve higher levels of freedom that would imply less people are getting their freedom infringed on, thus there would be less violence, unless of course 2 people consent to the violence such as in a boxing ring.

Name: lol 2008-05-18 13:00

the only working style of governing is dictatorism but it cannot be used because the lack of perfect human to lead.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-18 13:41

>>44
duh

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-18 13:42

>>43
That's a nice approach - everything could fail so let's just make a system that is made of fail and wishful thinking.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-19 0:22

>>46
Get back to me when you can prove me wrong.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-19 8:14

>>47
Ahh more of 2+2=5!!!! PROOOV MY RETARDED DELUSIONS RONG!!!!!!!!!!!!. Is this an epidemic among retarded libertarians?

Name: Emma Goldman 2008-05-19 22:15

anarcha-feminism in the form of communalism.  A mixture of a gift economy with parecon along side.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-20 3:11

>>48
Well at least prove sopmething.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-20 6:58

>>50
Like, the fact that you can't even spell and that this isn't an isolated incident? Seriously, it shouldn't be that hard even for someone of your capacity.

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-20 9:31

>>51
Wwo yuo reallly caer hrad abuot insignificnat tyops do'nt yuo!

Name: Anonymous 2008-05-20 10:11

>>52


TSFU

Name: cnt'a tpye 2008-05-20 11:08

hya gusie wtas goign no tish treahd

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