FUCK NON-AMERICA LAND.

ALL YOU FAGGOTS CRITICIZE US, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE THAT RIGHT BECAUSE WE GIVE IT TO YOU. MOST OF THE FOREIGN COUNTRIES ARE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FOR US TO NUKE THEM WITHOUT POLLUTING OUR AREA, AND WE HAVE STEALTH BOMBERS TO DO IT WITH.

NEXT TIME YOU TALK ABOUT AMERICA, DON'T CRITICIZE US. THANK US FOR OUR MERCY.

If the road system was privatised it would be free.

>>40
So Canadian borders are closed or what? This is the era of "ecomnomics". Without a (working) population, you dont have an economy.

>>41
Free? Are you on fucking drugs?! Privitisation = More $$$ from you while you still pay the same taxes.

Learn to think things through to conclusion ffs.

You cannot privatize the road system since that will create immense traffic jams from enforcement (i.e. collection of fees).  For practical purposes to the first and second approximations, it's a much better result for everyone if you just collect road funds under a mandatory regime (which means the gasoline tax) and then apply it under the auspices of government.

Still, that doesn't counter due considerations of privatizing road maintenance and construction.  Various levels of government do that now, and that works fine except for all the graft and corruption.  At least in Ohio, civil engineering like that is dominated by mafia-run companies who have strong connections to state government.  So, to some extent, the people get screwed no matter what happens.  Sorry, Libertarians!  An immoral people cannot be counted upon to form a just government.  Note that Americans are EXTREMELY immoral.

>>43
The average family car does a negligible amount of damage to road surfaces and adds only a minute amount of traffic, they would not pay for the damage done by 40 ton trucks except indirectly when they purchase goods and services which require 40 ton trucks.

>>44
Private companies would weigh the pros and cons of toll booths with other methods of obtaining funds. Private companies which find alternatives will gain more customers and thus solve all the problems you have mentionned. If a bridge falls down it isn't swept under the carpet because the bridge is owned by the same people who make the laws, the company responsible loses credibility and those responsible lose everything as they watch their stocks plummet.

>>44
I suppose if you believe "America is fucked.  I welcome it.  Stupid people SHOULD suffer.", then I can see why you support a state run road system. Also your opinion is typical amongst Nader fans.

>>46
Those are certainly possible operating procedures.  However, restricting access to roads slows them down by simple physics.  If we truly did privatize all (or most) of the roads, then traffic will slow and that will create unsolvable problems.  Really, I'm going to have to insist that a common road system paid for by use-linked taxes is the only way to keep America efficiently and usably mobile.

Again, that doesn't mean that roads still can't be privatized in some sense.  State governments have already taken steps to subcontract road maintenance out.  By approaching that in such a piecemeal fashion, we truly have a chance at finding a more optimal system for use+access+cost.

>>47
You must know an entire other set of Nader fans, since demonstrating such seemingly callous disregard for the common good is something notably ABSENT in both Nader and his supporters.  Perhaps you mis-spoke.

Perhaps if I was more precise, you'd better understand:

"People who indulge in stupidity when they have every chance to avoid it, SHOULD suffer."

F_acsist
O_ligarchic
X_enophobes

perfect!!!

Quote:
Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology that considers individual and other societal interests subordinate to the needs of the state, and seeks to forge a type of national unity. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, authoritarianism, statism, militarism, corporatism, populism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, and opposition to economic and political liberalism.
Quote:
Oligarchy is a form of government where political power effectively rests with a small, elite segment of society. The word oligarchy is from the Greek words for "few" and "rule".
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Xenophobia is a fear or contempt of foreigners or strangers. It comes from the Greek words for "foreigner/stranger" and "fear." The term is typically used to describe fear or dislike of foreigners or in general of people different from one's self.
see also "The 14 Points of Fascism"
http://oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

i will take that bait:
i do not hate america!
i hate what america is becoming; a country ruled by religious conservative warmongers who will attack other countries in a grab for resources and territory under the guise of 'spreading democracy' and 'eliminating terror'.

i hate that 5000 american lives (and counting) have been lost for an illconcieved and dishonest quagmire.

i hate that we have spent a trillion $ on this war when so much good could be accomplished at home with that $!

i hate that america has now become synonymous with secret prisons and torture...

but the beauty that is america is that we have the power to change things; not with guns and bombs as in other countries, but with VOTES!
after 8years of BS its time for a change!

>>51 Not just votes, dude. Civil Disobedience is golden, but nobody in our country is brave enough to get their phobic asses out of their bunkers because they're afraid of being arrested for hating America's government and therefore cultivating "terrorist ideals." It shows that America is losing its democratic ways because we are passing totalitarian laws such as the PATRIOT Act, scaring our people into submission.

>>49 Okay, shithead, I totally agree with every political statement you've made regarding the war on Iraq etcetera, and I do loathe the American Empire immensely and without measure - but really. Your language says it all. You're so filled with hate, it's hard for me to believe that you want the war to end. You're having a royal battle yourself right here on this forum. It's the nature of some people to love war, and though you claim otherwise, here you are steamrolling all these opposing views without any respect (not insinuating that you received any in return, the rest of you are dickheads, too) and bitching up a storm. If you don't have a peaceful viewpoint, how the hell are you going to get peace? You're just as much of a warmonger as Cheney, aka Lord of The Underworld and Spawn of Satan, Masterful Puppeteer of Texan Presidents.

By responding to this, by the way, you're just continuing the war against the underlings. Good luck proving whatever point you have now.

>>52
Civil disobedience is retarded if it hasn't been thought through properly or it is an over-reaction since more productive and less destructive means of change exist. In China most protests are legitimate, in the US 99.5% of protests are by border teenagers who have been convinced to suck the cocks of demagogues even though most of the time they are not even gay.

>>1
poor boy
dont you know your country exists only in the medias propaganda?

>>53 Ever heard of the Revolution of India?

And of course if it hasn't been organized by a brave-ass (or unafraid) leader such as good ol' Mahatma, civil disobedience isn't going to work. <u>Everyone</u> would need to participate, and nobody's going to do that, absorbed in a world of ipods and MTV, until the last minute, when we're either all drafted or the Jews, Blacks, Gays, Pro-Embryonic-Stem-Cell-Research Scientists, and pretty much every other minority are being weeded out and sent to new-fangled nuke ovens (aka human microwaves).

>>3

Actually, Russia comes pretty damn close. And Russia's much more scarcely populated than the US, so you'd need to use a shitload of nukes to do anything significant.

>>55
It was not a revolution by retarded fagarchists who are angry because their mom won't let them watch TV before finishing their homework, it was a well thought out evolution through a legitimate movement led by the mature and non-retarded Mahatma Gandhi.

If Mahatma had been the leader of an anarchist/socialist/stalinist/maoist/communist/trotskyist revolution the police would have beaten the shit out of him and thrown in him jail without exception. Because he was just an old guy meditating who pushed for certain infallible libertarian principles (democracy) they realised they were bullying their own people and couldn't stamp out his legitimate political movement. The message Mahatma Gandhi is not "FITE DA POWAH" it's "I cannot teach you violence, as I do not myself believe in it. I can only teach you not to bow your heads before any one even at the cost of your life.".

You're not living in a fascist dictatorship. You're too stupid to say anything without embaressing yourself. Shut the fuck up!

>>57
god damnit, democracy isn't a fucking libertarian principle, fucks sake.

>>57
Dearest darling, I am not sure why you went on that rant about faschists, because I do not believe in any way that I am living in a faschist dictatorship, and did not insinuate such. Notice the word "faschist" is oh so missing from my spiel.
And I love that YOU of all people, Mr. "You're too stupid to say anything without embarEssing yourself, Shut the fuck up," are giving me lessons on Gandhi, leader of the most sucessful peace-oriented revolution of our age.
What I am saying is, if people stop being afraid of terrorists (du-ur, if you're terrorized, they've won already, you paranoid little Americans), and start thinking about bringing about peaceful, free practices instead of thinking about what they're stocking in their bunkers, then we may very well have a revolution much like that of good ol' Mahatma.
However, peaceful, free practices are a bit hard to come by while the government is wire-tapping more phone lines every day, hmm?
Honey, you obviously have no idea what I'm talking about. And since you were talking about what I was talking about, you have no idea what you're talking about either. I politely suggest that you refrain from suggesting that /b/ is talking about FYTE DA POWAH idiot americans when /b/ is in fact suggesting that we do the exact opposite. Duh.

>>58 not quite: democracy + HUGE ASS COUNTY = ~Libertatian Principle. Greece worked well enough, da?

>>60
how is democracy and a large country a libertarian principle?
"yeah, one of the main pillars of libertarianism is large countries" gj fucktard.

democracy is a form of government advocated by people from the libertarian to the socialist side of the spectrum, you make it sound as if anyone who's not libertarian is against democracy, as democracy is exlusively a libertarian ideal.

>>61 Uh, excuse you, dumbass, but my equation was

democracy + HUGE ASS COUNTRY = <b>~</b> Libertarian Principle.

If you payed any attention in math, you'd know that ~ means "not."

Du-ur.

>>58
>>61
Libertarian means support of liberty, this means representative government, free speech, the whole cadoodle. It is possible for 2 political groups to support the same policy, the difference is that socialism is about "equality" and libertarianism is about freedom.

>>59
"Dearest darling" wtf?

I was using hyperbole when I said you believe you are living in a fascism, you clearly believe we are living under some sort of non-democracy which is not true as you are currently not being executed for disagreeing with the government.

Revolution
An overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.

Evolution
A process of gradual, peaceful, progressive change or development, as in social or economic structure or institutions.

Mahatma Gandhi did not destroy the majority of institutions already existant in the enormous country and could not without causing mass starvation and anarchy as was directly caused by the idea agreed to by people of similiar intelligence to yourself that revolution was required in Russia 1917 and China 1949, he merely gatherred up popular support for a libertarian system of deciding who runs those institutions which in every sense of the word is "evolution".

You can keep adding words like "peaceful" to the front of "revolution" if you want, but in the end the definition of India's evolution to an independant democracy will just be the same as "evolution" so why not just call it an evolution? Why do you have a problem with that? Are you a communist or something who wants people to think revolutions are the "best thing evar"? I will contnue to criticise your retarded ideas so you might aswell add the entire definiton of "evolution" in front of "revolution". Start calling it a gradual peaceful progressive change or development revolution from now on.

>>1 fAg

The OP here is a fucking jerk off. thank you for your mercy? its half the world that feel sorry for YOU being led by bush!
if you truly think your so high and mighty go to the front line and smite everyone with your god power and your country annihalating nukes. go on. i dare you.

>>64
Depends on whether you are obedient or too smart for your own good. I know you will continue slaving long and hard, in the knowledge at the back of your mind that you are better off with us as masters than ruling yourself.