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The republic is broken

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-16 13:27 ID:Ml5dKeRH

I hate how everybody is being dishonest about what the Constitution allows.

The commerce clause is being used to justify almost everything the government does nowadays.

If you guys want to expand the role of the federal government, CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. USE THE AMENDMENT PROCESS.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-16 14:02 ID:NEazH+od

The ICC is justified in its contemporary use. What are you? Some Libertardian shop owner who wants your state to be capable of passing legislation allowing laissez faire?

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-16 15:50 ID:553re3lF

>>1

what the fuck are you talking about?  the Constitution gives the legislature the power to make laws.  sometimes they make laws that create new government programs.  there is nothing unconstitutional about that.

idiot.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-16 16:06 ID:NEazH+od

>>3

No, what he's saying is, the laws that are being passed which would have normally been interpreted as unconstitutional (Supreme Court has the power of judicial review) are being upheld on grounds such as the Interstate Commerce Clause (ICC) because the ICC mandates that congress have full authority on controlling commerce. The kicker comes in when we have an open definition for commerce. What is Interstate Commerce? Well, even if a business is 100% isolated in the most backwater of backwater communities, it still serves as part of interstate commerce because of something insignificant like the napkins they use or the commodities they use from out of state considers them a part of Interstate Commerce.

All of the New Deal programs of Roosevelt were upheld in the Supreme Court because of the ICC. Wicker v. Filburn is an example, wherein it was decided that a farmer who was growing his own wheat to cut the costs of buying wheat (growing your own for free was illegal) it was determined he broke the law and the law was upheld due to the ICC, because the farmer not consuming wheat from the national market by action did effect interstate commerce, even though he or the wheat never crossed state lines.

Anyways, the ICC is used as leverage in a lot of laws, specifically business related laws. The OP is probably grumpy about that because it means he has to adhere to national laws which would have had no bearing without the ICC and its contemporary interpreters.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-16 16:15 ID:AFspENd6

Your republic is broken?
Revolt, like the declaration of independence encourages.
Oh, wait. Most powerful military in the world. Not gonna happen.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-16 17:15 ID:y3LMa1Nt

>>5
Clearly you need more guns.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-16 17:32 ID:Ml5dKeRH

>>6
Sorry we cant get any more or else Cho will shoot us up s'more

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-16 18:21 ID:NEazH+od

>>6

Heh, no amount of guns in the world could usurp The United States.
You know, I bet America would nuke it's own cities.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-16 21:40 ID:wml/mGql

>>1
It's broken? Has anyone told Lord Vader yet?

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-16 23:14 ID:u8AexdTc

>>5
"most pwerfull army in the world" and they still standby their oath to the constitution no matter who else forgets.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-16 23:24 ID:wOhGXWe2

The republic isn't broken, this is why there is no revolt.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-17 6:45 ID:cjkNOSx8

>>11
oh i dunno. you been to myspace lately? revolting!

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-17 8:21 ID:NU3wwedK

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Name: Anonymous 2007-05-17 8:43 ID:BU3kKzs8

>>12

The Myspace Revolt of 2017.  Lamest war ever.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-17 11:26 ID:DyCWyHPF

>>11
Circular logic

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-17 12:30 ID:fT94VKej

>>15
Wrong. The Nazis revolted against a democratic government. Does this mean the government was broken or the people? Civil dissent is still dissent. Don't get cause and effect mixed up in the future. K?

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-17 13:20 ID:DyCWyHPF

>>16
No. It's circular logic. Just because the republic is broken doesn't mean there will be a revolt. The fools in the US are too pacified to do anything.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-17 16:46 ID:Heaven

>>16
Wrong. The communists revolted against a democratic government. The nazis used the fear of this revolt to secure power by using/abusing the democratic process.

Don't get cause and effect mixed up in the future. K?

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-17 21:02 ID:KGt6SgBT

>>16
The Nazis didn't as much "revolt" as they were "elected".

>>18
The Russian Empire was a democracy?

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-17 21:44 ID:aeaUKBTG

>>18
Wrong. The nazis prevented one type of revolt by replacing it with a another. The nazis used the fear of a communist dictatorship to secure power by being the lesser of 2 evils.

Don't get cause and effect mixed up in the future. K?

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-17 22:47 ID:uUSPBtGV

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Name: Anonymous 2007-05-17 23:14 ID:Heaven

>>20
see
>>19

>>19
see
>>20

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-17 23:26 ID:DyCWyHPF

This article or section does not cite any references or sources.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-17 23:29 ID:aeaUKBTG

>>22
If you think an election involves placing a gang of thugs next to each voting booth, then yes.

Name: A 2007-05-19 0:32 ID:IbIRKWq8

IF ANY OF YOU ARE ALIVE IN THE NEXT 31 YEARS, THEN YOU'LL SEE...YOU'LL ALL SEE!

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-19 11:55 ID:PyEhW+Th

>>25
blood is shooting from my eyes now.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-19 20:24 ID:M2gP7qNj

haha oh wow, I forgot we will live for like 80 years. That means we'll be alive in like teh 2030s n stuff lol

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-20 12:49 ID:4EV+qXtF

No. You were killed during the surrender monkey riots of 2023 for smiling at a political cartoon of President Chelsea's newly appointed Secretary of Holy Places, mullah Mullah.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-20 14:08 ID:1Y6toIyP

>>28
I for one would be glad to die for liberty.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-20 14:36 ID:D+FP2sOo

why don't you go to iraq then.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-20 15:50 ID:66odAxJv

I wouldn't describe any process currently taking place in iraq as "liberal"

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-20 17:06 ID:Vz02bUht

>>30
Do you believe the war in Iraq is for liberty?

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-20 19:09 ID:WKq/N96n

>>32
Freedom burns the faces of those who don't support liberty.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-20 21:20 ID:Vz02bUht

>>33
What the fuck is that supposed to mean.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-20 22:27 ID:r8tsnLsa

>>34
"You're either with us or against us".

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-21 0:24 ID:z6HzWKt8

>>35
stop bein a politician

yes or no, any answer other than that will be ignored

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-22 1:33 ID:11l4IPlK

iraq is for fucking the sand niggers.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-22 18:26 ID:xcXLnWrt

>>36
To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant.

Name: Anonymous 2007-05-22 20:38 ID:EFMUT2it

Lord Vader would not be pleased to hear the Republic is broken.

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