Blacksburg Massacre

So, not meaning to be a heartless asshole who politicize tragedies, but srsly, would the massacre occur if the US had a tad bit more restrictive gun laws? 

Yep.
I'm living in Germany and we had your second school shooting last year even though the government goes nazi on guns.

Oh, and since we have such restrictive gun laws the gov got another scapegoat: computer games.
They've already designed laws to ban them but I think we'll have to wait for a 3rd shooting before those will be passed.

Solution: Ban Thumbs

Real solution: ban TV.

I want you to ask yourself this
What stops a criminal from buying guns to commit a larger crime and then kill themselves?

>>2
Yeah, well, what if every bullied emo with a thick wallet could get their hands on a mp5 then? Would not this increase shootings? We in sweden has also had an increase in armed crime the latest decade (i assume) but i believe this is an effect of increased weapon availability since the fall of the wall.

>>6
Robocop. Hes part man, part machine, all cop.
No srsly, two things would decrease (observe this word, means that im talking statistically) suicide crimes. One is poverty, meaning that if guns were so expensive that they were only available to the filthy rich then shootings would decrease with decreased availability. The other is increased security meaning checkpoints and soldiers everywhere, HK:s in the air, cameras in every corner, bugs in every room. A little fascism has never hurt anybody or wait, what?

>>3
Computer games are my life. If the government bans them, I'm going to buy a gun and go on a rampage that will make the one that just occured today look like mere child's play

>>1

Restricted gun laws are what caused this.  If at least one of those 33 had had a pistol, the killer would have been shot at, and killed. 

>>9
you do know how fuckin insane that argument is right?

>>10
what is insane about it, precisely?

>>11
Dont you think that gun availability and armed crime are related? What if the perpetrator had no way of getting a gun legaly, would that have made him more or less able to commit the massacre? And if everybody at the v tech had pistols of some kind and a perp showed up with a fully automatic scoped assault rifle? Should everybody go to school with a complete arsenal and bullet proof vests? Is that your utopia?

>>12
Do not argue with the amerikans, for they are quick to pull the trigger.

>>12

>>11 here. Just to clarify, I am not "Tom S."

Secondly, of course gun availability and armed crime are related. But that's like saying that having a penis makes you more likely to rape someone. The reasons for rapes and killings are based around the psychology of the individual. It's illogical and irrational to entertain anything opposed to this.

It's important that we keep in mind that humans have been killing each other and finding reasons to justify those killings way before the first firearm was invented. While I don't think that everyone carrying a gun is a sign of a utopia, I certainly don't think it's outside of the realm of possibly that if someone other than the murderer had a firearm, that may have been able to protect themselves and others (you know, like the police) and possibly prevent the lost of 32 lives.

Best case scenario is that the murderer would've gotten a hold of a knife and STILL killed the two kids in the dorm.

this is lame, i could have killed twice as many.

If it wasn't gun violence it'd be some other kind.

Poison gas or such.

Anyway, Canada has more restrictive gun laws and still this kind of shit goes down.

I'm thinking the victims were wusses for not monkeypiling on the jagoff.

>>12
Preventing mass shootings like this should not be the primary focus of your gun control laws.  Sure, MAYBE, just MAYBE extremely tight gun control would prohibit suburban highschoolers and university students from acquiring and using guns in a rampage.  If that's the case, then good job.  You've just prevented .05% of all gun fatalities. 

I damn well guarantee you that no matter how restrictive gun access is, run-of-the-mill criminals will find a fucking way to get their hands on firearms.  And run-of-the-mill criminals are responsible for the vast majority of shooting deaths, not crazy South Korean emo kids.

America would probably be better off dropping all it's gun restriction laws.

Love caused this incident!
Ban love!

A non-white caused this incident!
Ban non-whites!

>>14 (and the rest of the gun nuts)
Do you understand statistics? Increase and decrease? If we have 100 school shootings one year and then we ban guns and the shootings decrease to 10, is it still meaningless? I can bet your nutty asses on that canada has lower armed crime than the us, and other countries (with even more restrictive gun laws) even lower. This has nothing to do with the psychology of the criminal, its got nothing to do with preventing one specific crime. Decrease motherfuckers, do you speak it?

>>21

OMG LOL U CETANLY DIDNT RED TEH NRA WEBSIGHT STATITCIS!

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>>21
1. 100 shootings down to 10 in one year?  Due solely to gun control? I don't believe you.  Show me the study, then I'll consider believing you.

2. Canada has a lower population, a lower urban population, and a lower concentrated, poor, urban population (not by percentage, but overwhelmingly by absolute numbers.  The US has over 5 times the number of poor people living in concentrated urban areas).  Fewer poor people in the same place means less armed crime.  Source: http://www.ualberta.ca/~cjscopy/articles/hajnal.html.
Furthermore, Canada's gun laws are about the same as they are in most US States.
(See: http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/GunControlLaws.html)

3. Second Amendment.  It's not a trivial argument.  If you wish to argue the banning of all guns, you simply have to call for a change to the Constitution.  Which is fine if 75% of the states want to vote it in.  But otherwise, fuck off.

>>24

Sorry >>21, but I agree with the above. I understand that being from Europe or whatever and considering America's poor public education you believe that what you're saying is rational and logical.

But you simply must take what we're saying into consideration and be willing to respond with something more than accusing us of being gun nuts (I don't even own or wish to own a gun) or citing mysterious statistics that don't really apply to the social, cultural and economic situations of America.

Also: This isn't "criminal psychology" I'm preaching about here. This is human psychology. I know you want to save lives and everything, but be realistic here for a second and think of how unreasonable it sounds to blame an inanimate object for the crimes of sentient beings.

>>11
whats insane about it? so you dont believe in fate/chance/dumbluck then? ok. picture this. 1 psycho kid with 2 pistols. 33 scared shitless kids with 1 gun each (33guns). now we have up to 35 bullets flying around at any one time instead of the original 2.

how many additional bystanders would have died do you reckon from misfired weapons then?

grow a fucking brain. guns are not forest fires. fighting fire with fire only works with fire y'know...

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>>26

Chance and dumb luck aren't exactly founded in logic. Nor is your outlandish scenario. We're not talking about all 32 victims having guns at once and we're not talking about a 1 gunman vs 32 gunmen campus wide battle. We're talking about 1 or 2 of those kids having guns and ending the massacre just like an armed peace officer would (except probably done more competently).

How many additional bystanders do I think would've died?

Answer: The same amount of additional bystanders that die whenever a cop pulls out a firearm to kill an armed man threatening the community.

Also, the Guns = Forest Fires jape just straight up doesn't make any damn sense. Maybe you should graduate HS before attempting further debate.

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how many ppl would die if we had no asians in this country???

32-32 = 0

QED BAN ASIANS

>>28
your examples are so full of fail i dont know why i'm even bothering to tell you of it. let alone the fact you cant grasp the forest fire analogy...

keep your guns. just hurry the fuck up and kill each other okay.

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>>30

>>28 here.

Just a question: How was my reply "full of fail" and why are you having such a hard fucking time forming any sort of convincing rejoinder? The forest fire analogy was fully grasped but it- like the piece of shit analogy before it- is so utterly retarded that apparently not even YOU fully grasp how fucking elementary it really is.

Your vendetta against the "American" way of life, is noted and in some case validated, but not everything some european twat like you says about gun control and the like is going to be logical or appear rational just because you're stroking your nationalistic cock. Use logic in this debate or gracefully accept the fact that you lose.

>>32
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"the death of a man is a tragedy, the death of a million is a statistic"
so why the fuck should we care if 33 (including gunman) die.
i see it as population control. more people die in Iraq and all we get is a number. For 32 "innocent" to die... thats not bad at all. they signed their own death warrant. we lost a good potential soldier. and as for gun control... you can kill just as well with a knife. try to put a restriction on a kitchen dumbass. 

you can kill just as well with a knife

no, no you can't. dumbass.
And the Brits are trying their best to ban knifes.

That is true. for distance.. not so much. but can you not kill with a knife?
And i think you mean "Knives"
so next time you want to say something, spell it right.

>>37
welcome to the internets, Queen Nitpick.

What knife can compete with the latest assault rifle?
If you're going to argue distance, I might as well sneak up behind a fully armed soldier with a cinderblock.
Anything is a weapon in the right hands.

Lol yeah... but we are talking lethality here. it is no longer a matter of distance.
Guns can be controlled, kitchens cannot. so if guns are taken away  what are you going to resort to?

>>39
I wouldn't resort to anything, and I don't need to, living in a country and area low on aggression and crime.
I was merely addressing your faulty logic on knives. If I really need to, tools from my garage would work better than a tiny kitchen knife. An aluminum baseball bat would be my choice and would thrash any odd punk with a knife.

The ideal society needs no weapons and that would be great. but it is not a reality. you are right any tool could be potentially lethal. Knives are a little more precise than that of a baseball bat.

>>41
The bat has reach, and can knock out or kill instantly with a good swing, and it will hurt like hell if it doesn't. A knife is not an instant kill, and people have driven themselves to emergency rooms with knives implanted in their skull. It is more threatening, and that's all.

True enough. a good swing could cause brain damage. a knife is for the skilled. but the bat is more useful because of its other uses.  but then can they control sports?  

>>42
why are you feeding the noob?

i have no clue what you are talking about...

>>44
he seemed somewhat reasonable, at least until I saw his AMERICA, FUCK YEAH! post.

>>43
Why not just debate whether they'd try to ban the sale of bedpans or toilet plungers?

Are you talking about my Pro America post?
if yes... you should have pride for where you come from right?

No, not the bedpans... anything but the bedpans!!!

>>46
forgiven. continue the feed. i'm getting wood with how much he bites...

>>48
Never. Where I happen to be born is of no consequence.
Should I have pride if I won the lottery?

that is the problem. where does the government have to stand back and say we cant touch this stuff. where do they have to stop restrictions with household items?

I would not call guns a household item. Either way, I don't really care. I wouldn't shoot and possibly kill someone for stealing my television, and have that on my conscience. If someone breaks in, I'll call the cops and let them deal with it, rather than confront them and risk being shot myself.

well not really a house hold item. but if there was gun control and such. where would you want them to stop. if they go all the way, then its communism. if they dont touch anything then it is Anarchy. so there is not much room for a mistake.
Clinton almost fucked that one up.

>>54
i'm seriously confused. i dont know whether to laugh or cry.

Different countries, societies, cultures, all have different solutions that are best.
The brits have pretty much gone all the way (though I'm no expert), and that is not communism.
A bad thing of course is thinking in terms of 'gun crime', rather than overall violent crime.
Politician often do this as a way of appearing 'in control', and if they can't go after guns, they'll go after something more foolish, like movies, comic books, or video games.
I'm more frightened of chainsaw crime, really. I'd much rather be shot than chainsawed.

i am with you. i only fear torture, not death.
as for the communism, i was talking about the government holding everything and then distributing it. 
I think that it is sad that people blame guns for crime, and saying that guns kill. When was the last time you saw a gun pull its own trigger. as for computerized guns... the person who put it down is more or less responsible for the deaths.

>>56
Chainsaws and burlap sacks will never be looked at the same way again...

neither will plagas... it sad when people discriminate small multi celled organisms, like midgets.

>>33

Trolled or not, anyone who European fucktard that starts shit about America's gun law need only point to this thread. There is no logic in stripping people of weaponry, especially when everything our country is founded on is against it.

there it is. that was all we needed to say

>>60
guess again genious.

>>62

no u.
thus far no eurofag has presented an adequate argument. that's your fault and no one elses

Cars and driving result in accidents that causes fatalities. Humans drive cars and without humans accidents would go down to zero. We all know this, yet we allow the state to impose regulations over our precious driving, like speed limits and traffic lights. Even the car companies play the big brother and installs seatbelts without our consent! We have a constitutional right to own and drive cars where ever we damn well please as in a pursuit of happines, and the communists in washington wants to take our freedom away! They believe each individual to stupid to handle his automobile in a safe and secure manner, but hes not that stupid and all it takes is education. 

>>64

Are the English really smarter than us? Or do they just fail at US government? Every analogy you've guys have thrown at us has been the equivalent of a very dense shit, busting out of Thatchers ass into Blair's mouth.

I'll let someone who still gives a shit point it out. I'm already sick of this ever-trolling faggotry.

you dumb fuck. driving is a privilege not a right.

This is not a gun control issue but a matter of race. Comment accordingly.

>>67
um.. I heard there is a stickler amongst asian militaries that their weapons are just home made imitations of western weapons (ak47, m16) and they idolise the Israeli arms industry as a result. Though firearms have pretty much reached their peak, there isn't much else you can do excpet make gun look more tacticool.

>>39
|Guns can be controlled

Believing that guns can be controlled is the fallacy that makes most gun control arguments completely irrelevant.  Guns cannot, in fact, be controlled, in precisely the same way drugs cannot.  We have over 5,000 miles of porous borders between Mexico and Canada.  Guns will find their way into the hands of those who want them regardless of how much money we pour into stopping the traffic.

Now, you can argue for enforcing background checks and proper gun education, but controlling firearms...pretty fucking impossible.

now that i have the right thread...
an opinion has no right or wrong answer, its just an opinion.
fyi. this is david i am feeling less audacious so i will settle down. But guns will come through just like trafficked drugs. though it will retard the use of firearms due to the amount of time it will take to get the weapons to the east and west coasts. and the north. unless you have guns being shipped over seas. but if they put alot of money into stopping controband they would put usv's (unmanned surface vehicles)by the coasts to take out all of the unregistered incoming vessels.
i will be replying under the name sumarugatu from now on.

P.S. I stuck my tongue into another man's rectum.

Asian control. Time to set up the internment camps again.

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>>69
Guns are not addictive. If they where banned, only people who really needed guns (criminals) would think it worthwhile to get them. Yet, if there were are lesser amount of guns in society, the criminals would also need fewer guns (knifes would suffice for stickups for example) and gun related deaths would decrease accordingly. You see how this is the nightmare scenario for the gun industry, which is why they and their lapdogs (the NRA) recite spurious statistics to claim the opposite. But remember, guns are not addictive, there is not really that big of black market for them because of that and everything that implies. Countries with strict gun laws and long borders (sweden) have still very few gun related deaths. So u phail agian, sir.

Everyone knows guns are serious business, just a like a car. They also ensure the maximum security a person can have short of hiring armed guards or living in a police state. A complete ban on guns is ridiculous and I am fearful to watch as other western countries slowly sink into increased crime and tyranny due to their illogical handgun bans. At the very least we have gun licenses and permit people over the age of 35 or in the police or military to purchase firearms.

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The bullies bullied him in life and are still bullying him after he died.

The bullies bullied him in life and are still bullying him in death. They're too proud of themselves to admit it's partially their fault for the shooting in Virginia.

Who the fuck gets bullied in college?

weak whinny wussies. You snubbed me so I'll kill someone. Don't you feel terrible now?

>>77
i came

he should have become a goth instead. just as deadly.