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A New Threat to Civil Liberties

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-09 3:02

Consider for a moment if, as the leftists want, we socialize health care. 

What will this lead to? Obviously, the state would be playing a larger role in the health care industry, possibly even running the whole thing itself.  But the important thing is who picks up the tab.  As long as the individual, not the state, is paying his own bills, it is fine to say he should be able to take whatever risky decisions he wants to with his body, since he is paying his own bills for the possible results of said risky decisions. 

In a socialized health system, where health care is 'free', and no individual is paying his own bill individually, there is a present and great incentive for the people to vote for infringements of civil liberties - to ban certain activities that, in a capitalistic health care system would be entirely acceptable due to the fact that the individual is picking up his own bill.

If you are a civil liberties advocate who cares little about economic freedom, you should consider this before you join the ranks of the socialized medicine supporters.  Once socialized health care gets passed, you will find yourself fighting an uphill battle to protect a great many non-economic freedoms.

For a quick example.  If health care is socialized, there will be an increasing incentive for the state to ban smoking or drinking because it is very unhealthy. 

In a socialist system, the state must pay the bills of the people who drinks or smokes, not the individual.  The result? In a universal health care system, the public has an interest in somehow forcing you to act the way they want you to - an incentive they would not have in a capitalistic system.

This line of thinking, when combined with a socialized universal health care system would, without a doubt, lead to more infringements of personal freedom and choice down the road.  Freedoms that you take for granted now to do all manner of unhealthy things from smoking to drinking to eating ice cream or  engaging in any other unhealthy activity if you want are suddenly more likely to be in the crosshairs of public debate in the future, if socialized health care is implimented. 

Any personal freedom that is unhealthy will be up in the air as long as it is arguable that it is likely to result in the state paying some form of bill or other, rather than the individual taking the risk.  Socialist health care will invariably lead to a reduction of personal freedom and choice in our society, if implimented. 

Name: Anonymous 2007-01-17 15:37

This is for >>31 I am >>25

I am a Communist and an Anarchist

A Nationalist will reject any attempt to introduce international Law as he believes in the Law of the Jungle between Nations, the weak nations have no rights against the strong nations. International law violates his Nation's sovereignty.

An Anarchist rejects not just international law, but ALL law, as the weak classes have no rights against the strong class, the Working Class. law only exists to protect the weak, namely the feeble classes we call the Middle class and the Ruling Class and oppresses and violates the sovereignty, independence and freedom of the Working Class, the strongest Class.

Every human being is a sovereign, independent state, not subject to law or any form of higher authority. These Free States will form federations to promote their interests with lethal force if nessacary and defend their pooled sovereignty from the worthless classes.

As Anarchists we believe that each individual is a sovereign, independant state with the power to make war and as such can enter and withdraw from treaties, alliances, federations, confederations, with other sovereign, independant states, thus for those within a federation will have certain rights and responsibilities to fulfil as part of such a treaty, for those
outside of such a treaty, nothing except the survival of the fittest, the law of the jungle, we do not believe in concepts that protect the rich such as universal law, religion, right or wrong, morality, ethics or any other unscientific rubbish. Darwinism and Dialectical Materialism are the only truths and we will defend them fanatically and ruthlessly to the grave. Humans are simply animals locked in a never ending struggle for survival in which the strongest always wins. Ours is the strongest class and will prevail, it is nature's way and is historically inenvitable.

We are not universalists, We are not interested in equality, we are openly particularist, openly expansionist, we are openly Class Supremacist and call for total war against all enemies of our people, total war against the middle and upper class, total war against Leninists, Maoists, Trotskyists, Stalinists and all those that claim to speak for our class yet would violate our sovereignty given the chance.

Anarchy is the Law of the Jungle between sovereign individuals, who federate horizontally to annihilate and exterminate, root and branch, systematically and ruthlessly the sub-human parasites known as the Middle Class and Ruling Class. They will be given an ultimatum SURRENDER OR BE DESTROYED IMMEDIATELY!

DEATH TO CLASS MINORITIES!

http://www.londonclasswar.org/images/sticksnew/HEALTH%20copy.jpg

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